2019 Badger Football - Rose Bowl Lead Up

HaroldinGMinor · Post #281 » by **HaroldinGMinor** » Thu Oct 17, 2019 2:23 pm

DrWood wrote:
HaroldinGMinor wrote:Man, some of the Mertz over Coan arguments are hilarious.

"True freshman I've never seen play outside of his high school highlight reel is better than the guy starting."

It's a mistake to assume that others are as ignorant as you.

Agreed. Sometimes they are much more ignorant.

MAC1987 · Post #282 » by **MAC1987** » Sun Nov 10, 2019 7:38 pm

Bump. Didnt know this thread existed.

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MAC1987 · Post #283 » by **MAC1987** » Sun Nov 10, 2019 7:39 pm

I will do my Coan complaining here.

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Kerb Hohl · Post #284 » by **Kerb Hohl** » Mon Nov 11, 2019 5:08 pm

Mertz complainers, take a look at these lists:

https://247sports.com/Season/2019-Football/CompositeRecruitRankings/?InstitutionGroup=Highschool&Position=PRO
https://247sports.com/Season/2019-Football/CompositeRecruitRankings/?InstitutionGroup=Highschool&Position=DUAL

Those are the top recruits at pro-style and dual threat QB that are in the true freshman class right now.

1. The vast majority of them are also not starting.
2. The ones that are are all doing worse than Coan.

The 3 I've seen/paid attention to/of note are:

Bo Nix - He's been fine/good and obviously he also adds to the game running the ball. He's obviously played an absolute gauntlet of a schedule but he also is at 56% completion with 12 TD/6 INT and was relatively atrocious throwing the ball in their 2 losses and 1 close win over Oregon. If you expect Mertz to hit this level of play, we're probably still sitting at 8-2.

Max Duggan - He's pretty solid as TCU's QB but they aren't great and he's had ups and downs.

Hank Bachmaier - Ditto with Duggan.

Point being: Temper your expectations on Mertz as a true freshman.

Guys like Howell, Nix, etc. all probably have more talent than Coan and have had some really good games. Howell's team is 4-5 right now. If your argument is, "yeah, well Wisconsin has a good supporting cast" then I'd argue having an ultra-talented freshman that is throwing a few pick 6s or not completing big 3rd downs probably loses the Illinois game or maybe the Northwestern or Iowa game anyways.

MAC1987 · Post #285 » by **MAC1987** » Sat Nov 16, 2019 6:08 pm

Poor start today, but starting to get some momentum.

Love these WRs. OC needs to figure out how to get them the ball easier.

JT is not the only playmaker.

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Post #286 » by **humanrefutation** » Sun Dec 8, 2019 8:38 pm

We're in the Rose Bowl versus Oregon.

Post #287 » by **MickeyDavis** » Sun Dec 8, 2019 11:59 pm

Taylor says he's playing

Mags FTW · Post #288 » by **Mags FTW** » Mon Dec 9, 2019 1:00 am

Bucky opens as 3 point favorites.

Ryan5UW · Post #289 » by **Ryan5UW** » Mon Dec 9, 2019 5:56 am

It would be nice to win this damn thing again

coolhandluke121 · Post #290 » by **coolhandluke121** » Mon Dec 9, 2019 5:02 pm

The Big Ten got a really rough draw in bowl games compared to the SEC.

Michigan vs. Alabama
Florida vs. Virginia
Auburn vs. Minnesota (lmao)
Oregon vs. Wisconsin
OSU vs. Clemson
LSU vs. Oklahoma
PSU vs. Memphis
Iowa vs. USC
Indiana vs. Tennessee
Illinois vs. Cal
Virginia Tech vs. Kentucky
MSU vs. Wake Forest
Georgia vs. Baylor

That PSU game is probably the only clearly favorable game for the Big Ten, but the SEC got a bunch of them, including a few head-to-head match-ups. When I see it this way, with the #4 and #5 SEC teams matched up with the #4 and #5 Big Ten teams, it does illustrate that gap between the conferences, but I also kind of regret that UW and PSU aren't matched up with the #2 and #3 SEC teams, Georgian and Florida, because that might give them a chance to compare more favorably to the SEC.

I also wanted OSU #1, but I have to admit that LSU beat slightly better teams.

Kerb Hohl · Post #291 » by **Kerb Hohl** » Mon Dec 9, 2019 5:35 pm

The SEC is generally always 1 or 2 teams deeper in terms of good/great teams. So if the B10 gets someone in the playoff and the SEC only has one playoff team, the matchups suck. You end up with Minnesota, who inflated their record by beating up on the dregs of the B10 against Auburn, a good SEC team that lost some close games to really good teams.

And yeah, moving OSU down was a big deal. The top 3 seem head-and-shoulders above whichever team got in at #4 (a healthy Bama is probably the 4th best team) so now they get a tough game with Clemson instead of one they'd have been assumed to win over Oklahoma.

Lippo · Post #292 » by **Lippo** » Mon Dec 9, 2019 9:39 pm

The logical people next year will be like "Damn i wish Mertz got to play with Taylor for a year, what if, damn...."
The others will say "Mertz wasn't ready last year, he wouldn't have been this good.." which now we will never know...
I like 7 Shaw over Watson 14, Hopefully Cephus comes back....

Kerb Hohl · Post #293 » by **Kerb Hohl** » Mon Dec 9, 2019 10:09 pm

Lippo wrote:The logical people next year will be like "Damn i wish Mertz got to play with Taylor for a year, what if, damn...."
The others will say "Mertz wasn't ready last year, he wouldn't have been this good.." which now we will never know...
I like 7 Shaw over Watson 14, Hopefully Cephus comes back....

Shaw is a senior so it'll be Watson, Julius Davis, a true freshman, or a transfer. I guess Guerendo may get in the mix and Groshek will be the change-of-pace/passing guy at worst.

coolhandluke121 · Post #294 » by **coolhandluke121** » Tue Dec 10, 2019 3:14 pm

Did I miss Taylor officially declaring for the draft?

The offensive line was a much bigger problem than Coan this year. Taylor literally could have run for 3,000 yards behind the line Montee Ball had. Ron Dayne had it pretty easy too.

Play-calling was easily the #2 issue with the offense. Coan is a distant 3rd.

midranger · Post #295 » by **midranger** » Tue Dec 10, 2019 3:41 pm

Anyone know the best site to buy rose bowl tix?

Kerb Hohl · Post #296 » by **Kerb Hohl** » Tue Dec 10, 2019 3:42 pm

coolhandluke121 wrote:Did I miss Taylor officially declaring for the draft?

The offensive line was a much bigger problem than Coan this year. Taylor literally could have run for 3,000 yards behind the line Montee Ball had. Ron Dayne had it pretty easy too.

Play-calling was easily the #2 issue with the offense. Coan is a distant 3rd.

Taylor is about 99% to go. He is answering the question, "will you play the bowl game" and it sure as hell seems like, "yeah, I know I'm going pro but I'm going to do it." I think everyone including people that know what the coaches believe assume he's gone.

The line had a bit of a rough patch in the middle of the year, they did hit their stride late.

Tough crowd as always. Badgers finished with the #6 overall efficiency in offense this year (along with #8 defense) and they do not have the luxury of guys like Justin Fields or Joe Burrow and only have one fringe-ish NFL WR...but if Paul Chryst called a few more jet sweeps or something they would've overtaken Ohio State or something like that. Rinse, wash, repeat.

And now I will step back and prepare to take the "well Mertz could've maybe been elite because I saw his recruiting star rating" or suggestions that I'm an apologist for the coach as usual. I'd love to have Ohio State's recruits, I'm sure Chryst wishes he had one or two of those calls back from the OSU game, but once again, we've kinda reached the cap of what a team with as much talent as UW has should be expected to hit.

Ron Swanson · Post #297 » by **Ron Swanson** » Tue Dec 10, 2019 4:06 pm

Hard for me to fathom anyone griping about what Coan did for us this year after having to watch the utter ineptitude of guys like Stave and Hornibrook over the last decade. But sure, everyone always loves the shiny new toy. All in all, getting a Rose Bowl berth is a pretty ideal outcome and I can't say I expected much more. If not for that Illinois gut punch, we only lost twice to the eventual #1 team in the nation. It's frustrating that this pretty much seems to always be the ceiling for this team, but I'm not gonna go and call the season as a whole a disappointment.

Kerb Hohl · Post #298 » by **Kerb Hohl** » Tue Dec 10, 2019 4:11 pm

Ron Swanson wrote:Hard for me to fathom anyone griping about what Coan did for us this year after having to watch the utter ineptitude of guys like Stave and Hornibrook over the last decade. But sure, everyone always loves the shiny new toy. All in all, getting a Rose Bowl berth is a pretty ideal outcome and I can't say I expected much more. If not for that Illinois gut punch, we only lost twice to the eventual #1 team in the nation. It's frustrating that this pretty much seems to always be the ceiling for this team, but I'm not gonna go and call the season as a whole a disappointment.

I'm kinda taking over some of the twitter sentiment and taking it out on here. I think most on here are pretty satisfied with the season and understand the limitations. And there was frustration during the game and I get that. I think that run on 3rd and 7 in the 3rd quarter and the 4th and 1 call Chryst would like to have back. But they basically ran 9 plays during the onslaught from OSU in the 2nd half. A few barely missed passes, one broken play, the WR slipped twice. Boom. Drives were over. Not a ton of chance to exploit OSU once they made a few adjustments. They needed to be absolutely perfect to keep up with OSU and they were perfect for half of the game (and were OK trying to move the ball in garbage time).

midranger · Post #299 » by **midranger** » Tue Dec 10, 2019 4:12 pm

We’re in the **** Rose Bowl y’all. Enjoy it.

Post #300 » by **ReasonablySober** » Tue Dec 10, 2019 4:58 pm

midranger wrote:We’re in the **** Rose Bowl y’all. Enjoy it.

I'm pretty excite.