Packers First Round - Jordan Love - POLL ADDED

Karmaloop · Post #281 » by **Karmaloop** » Fri Apr 24, 2020 3:58 pm

HaroldinGMinor wrote:If they take him at #30 I don't have any qualms. But giving up draft capital was a mistake.

It's a fourth round pick, not a second round pick. You can recoup that pick.

HaroldinGMinor · Post #282 » by **HaroldinGMinor** » Fri Apr 24, 2020 3:59 pm

I will say, though, that with the current cap situation and the nature of QB salaries it's really hard to win a Super Bowl unless your QB is on a rookie deal unless you are New England (who, by the way, trade down all the time to accumulate extra picks so they have a better shot at a cheaper roster to surround said expensive QB)

Karmaloop · Post #283 » by **Karmaloop** » Fri Apr 24, 2020 3:59 pm

tski1972 wrote:Could have traded down, picked up a late third or early fourth and targeted Jake Fromm.

Fromm is exponentially worse than Love.

JayMKE · Post #284 » by **JayMKE** » Fri Apr 24, 2020 4:01 pm

It’s an F until proven otherwise, if it’s not then what is? We traded up in the 1st round for a guy we don’t need because of the hope of yet untapped potential. It could be a long time until we know for sure but until then there is no value provided at all. Are we to assume he will be ready to start in 3 years? I just really don’t see it, he’s got to learn how to play and master his fundamentals.Are we to believe that Love will become this cerebral QB and student of the game just from sitting behind Rodgers? He’s just not the type of QB that I value. I think people are more guilty of underrating Aaron and what he overcame to become a success in the league, he did it in spite of the circumstances not because of it. The weird cargo cult copycat logic of the NFL is not how I like to model my franchise, there is always some wunderkind that gets emulated by bunch and flames out.

Kerb Hohl · Post #285 » by **Kerb Hohl** » Fri Apr 24, 2020 4:02 pm

HaroldinGMinor wrote:I will say, though, that with the current cap situation and the nature of QB salaries it's really hard to win a Super Bowl unless your QB is on a rookie deal unless you are New England (who, by the way, trade down all the time to accumulate extra picks so they have a better shot at a cheaper roster to surround said expensive QB)

I'm on the side of, "I'm going to just let this play out, I'm fine with this Love pick" but I will also say that we may burn 2 or 3 of Love's 5 cheap years (at least) waiting so there isn't a huge window there.

HaroldinGMinor · Post #286 » by **HaroldinGMinor** » Fri Apr 24, 2020 4:03 pm

Karmaloop wrote:
HaroldinGMinor wrote:If they take him at #30 I don't have any qualms. But giving up draft capital was a mistake.

It's a fourth round pick, not a second round pick. You can recoup that pick.

Which means giving up more draft capital.

HaroldinGMinor · Post #287 » by **HaroldinGMinor** » Fri Apr 24, 2020 4:04 pm

Kerb Hohl wrote:
HaroldinGMinor wrote:I will say, though, that with the current cap situation and the nature of QB salaries it's really hard to win a Super Bowl unless your QB is on a rookie deal unless you are New England (who, by the way, trade down all the time to accumulate extra picks so they have a better shot at a cheaper roster to surround said expensive QB)

I'm on the side of, "I'm going to just let this play out, I'm fine with this Love pick" but I will also say that we may burn 2 or 3 of Love's 5 cheap years (at least) waiting so there isn't a huge window there.

Yeah they're gonna burn at least one year and more likely 2 or 3.

Ron Swanson · Post #288 » by **Ron Swanson** » Fri Apr 24, 2020 4:05 pm

Sorry, Queen isn't Luke Keuchly or Patrick Willlis (not even sure he's a CJ Mosely), and I'm still never a fan of spending a high draft pick on an inside linebacker, and likely never will be. It's just not a premium position that yields a ton of value past their rookie contracts. If anything, Josh Jones is the guy we passed on that we may end up regretting.

tski1972 · Post #289 » by **tski1972** » Fri Apr 24, 2020 4:06 pm

Wasn’t there a lot of chatter that New England was in on Love? They traded out of the first when Love was readily available for them. I find that curious.

M-C-G · Post #290 » by **M-C-G** » Fri Apr 24, 2020 4:14 pm

JayMKE wrote:It’s an F until proven otherwise, if it’s not then what is? We traded up in the 1st round for a guy we don’t need because of the hope of yet untapped potential. It could be a long time until we know for sure but until then there is no value provided at all. Are we to assume he will be ready to start in 3 years? I just really don’t see it, he’s got to learn how to play and master his fundamentals.Are we to believe that Love will become this cerebral QB and student of the game just from sitting behind Rodgers? He’s just not the type of QB that I value. I think people are more guilty of underrating Aaron and what he overcame to become a success in the league, he did it in spite of the circumstances not because of it. The weird cargo cult copycat logic of the NFL is not how I like to model my franchise, there is always some wunderkind that gets emulated by bunch and flames out.

Drafting a QB for the future with a high pick is some kind of 'johnny come lately' move to be copied? It's as old as the league itself.

HaroldinGMinor · Post #291 » by **HaroldinGMinor** » Fri Apr 24, 2020 4:17 pm

tski1972 wrote:Wasn’t there a lot of chatter that New England was in on Love? They traded out of the first when Love was readily available for them. I find that curious.

Who knows. That could easily have bee subterfuge. I think it would have been an odd move for them to trade back up to get a developmental guy.

WeekapaugGroove · Post #292 » by **WeekapaugGroove** » Fri Apr 24, 2020 4:19 pm

Ron Swanson wrote:Sorry, Queen isn't Luke Keuchly or Patrick Willlis (not even sure he's a CJ Mosely), and I'm still never a fan of spending a high draft pick on an inside linebacker, and likely never will be. It's just not a premium position that yields a ton of value past their rookie contracts. If anything, Josh Jones is the guy we passed on that we may end up regretting.

I'm with you on this, but we're definitely in the minority because there's a borderline obsession with ILB on this board.

Kingsley is their every down guy so if he's healthy a ILB drafted would play at most about 25% of the snaps.

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JimmyTheKid · Post #293 » by **JimmyTheKid** » Fri Apr 24, 2020 4:19 pm

The ONLY acceptable explanation for this pick is they think Love is Mahomes.

If Love isn't a top-8 QB in 3-4 years, and Rodgers still only has one ring, this was a massive failure.

Profound23 · Post #294 » by **Profound23** » Fri Apr 24, 2020 4:21 pm

MikeIsGood wrote:
tski1972 wrote:Could have traded down, picked up a late third or early fourth and targeted Jake Fromm.

But why if your analysis says to take Jordan Love?

People say things like this a lot, and of any position it makes the least sense with, it's QB. You take the guy you think will be a star, not just any other QB.

Right...if Love is your top QB you trade up with a 4th (gladly) and grab him, not trade down and take a 2nd tier QB. Have to give Gute credit. He saw his guy and got him. If Love sucks, and Gary continues his bust-like trend he will be known as another GM who can't draft well with his first pick.

However if his 2nd and 3rd picks end up similar to Savage and Jenkins it's similar to Ron Wolf. Let's hope it's better and Love is as good as Gute and I believe he is.

M-C-G · Post #295 » by **M-C-G** » Fri Apr 24, 2020 4:28 pm

JimmyTheKid wrote:The ONLY acceptable explanation for this pick is they think Love is Mahomes.

If Love isn't a top-8 QB in 3-4 years, and Rodgers still only has one ring, this was a massive failure.

Probably another scenario, say Rodgers starts to miss more games with injuries. Love could give you a chance at going .500 while Rodgers is out and maintain a chance at the playoffs.

I don't know, I am pretty disappointed with how the first round went, but let's see what happens in 2 & 3. Let's say one of Hamler/Mims/Pittman/Shenault and sigh, maybe even Tee Higgins are there in the second.

Then Malik Harrison/Dye/Logan Wilson/Willie Gay Jr are there in the third...I'm pretty damn happy, will be interesting to see how this plays out.

Post #296 » by **Jollay** » Fri Apr 24, 2020 4:30 pm

WeekapaugGroove wrote:
tski1972 wrote:Could have traded down, picked up a late third or early fourth and targeted Jake Fromm.

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This is what is so bizarre. So if you told me BG was all in on Love for weeks, okay. You get your guy regardless of position. I can respect that.

But as a secondary plan if you can't get your receiver? Bizarre and less convincing.

So why not trade up for the receiver (s) you allegedly wanted more then? Especially if you're willing to burn the 4th rounder?

RRyder823 · Post #297 » by **RRyder823** » Fri Apr 24, 2020 4:33 pm

mkegb wrote:
Finn wrote:
JayMKE wrote:I don't think a raw QB prospect like Love should be a 1st round pick let alone one you trade up for, can't read coverages and very poor decision making but hey he can throw it deep on the run OOF! Maybe during these 3 years he'll learn to play QB, sitting on the bench will make him better I'm sure.

Have you looked at his 2018 season or are your complaints based only on 2019?

Why do people keep saying look at 2018?! Why would he regress?! That should be a major concern.

Coaching change and losing 9 starters on offense might of had something to do with it......

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stillgotgame · Post #298 » by **stillgotgame** » Fri Apr 24, 2020 4:34 pm

Matches Malone wrote:I like Love more than Herbert and we got him 20 picks later. If Love can fix his read progressions and try to not play hero ball, he's got all the arm talent in the world to be a pro bowl QB.

So basically he can throw, we just need to teach him to play quarterback :noway:

Terrible mechanics
Doesn't seem to passionate or bright
Played against weak competition
Never took a snap from under center, nowhere close to a pro offense

Does have a good arm though. Maybe the rest will come with time. I doubt it, but at least there's a chance.

CWoodfan · Post #299 » by **CWoodfan** » Fri Apr 24, 2020 4:37 pm

NO ONE knows if Love will or will not be the next long-term starter at QB for the Packers, but there is at least room for optimism.

EVERYONE knows Love does nothing, or next to nothing, to improve the Packers' chances of winning a Super Bowl in 2020, 2021, and probably 2022.

drew881 · Post #300 » by **drew881** » Fri Apr 24, 2020 4:40 pm

JimmyTheKid wrote:The ONLY acceptable explanation for this pick is they think Love is Mahomes.

If Love isn't a top-8 QB in 3-4 years, and Rodgers still only has one ring, this was a massive failure.

I think he is more Byron Leftwich than Patrick Mahomes if you look at his rushing stats and lack of movement in the pocket, throwing off back foot, etc.

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