Jordan Love Thread - All Aboard the Love Train

[Treebeard]

To paraphrase from a "Ted Lasso" line: Love needs to be a goldfish following this game. (ten second memory)

[coolhandluke121]

Still a lot better than Rodgers was last year overall, especially considering Rodgers had a much healthier O-line. Aaron would have been sacked like 47 times last night.

[LUKE23]

We need to stop comparing him to AR and start comparing him to QBs league-wide. That’s all that matters.

The OL is an issue. But so is his accuracy.

[MVP2110]

We need to stop comparing him to AR and start comparing him to QBs league-wide. That’s all that matters.

The OL is an issue. But so is his accuracy.

This is where the Donovan McNabb comparison I think fits really well. McNabb consistently had a low completion % but the passes he did complete were high impact. I think that's basically been Jordan Love to a tee so far

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[LUKE23]

The OL is an issue with all the injuries. How many TDs has he missed on wide open guys though? I can think of at least 3. There may be more.

[thomchatt3rton]

We need to stop comparing him to AR and start comparing him to QBs league-wide. That’s all that matters.

The OL is an issue. But so is his accuracy.

This is where the Donovan McNabb comparison I think fits really well. McNabb consistently had a low completion % but the passes he did complete were high impact. I think that's basically been Jordan Love to a tee so far

There’s definitely been QBs whose end-results were better than their stats (Eli and Big Ben come to mind) but that’s a hell of a thing to try to pin your hopes on as fan.

The accuracy IS an issue. Look at week 1: CHI could not get ANY pressure, and yet Love still only managed like 50% completion.

Even grading on a curve for youth, that didn’t bode well.


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[BUCKnation]

I'm happy with him.

He's missed some very makeable throws, but in general I'd say most of the issues have been due to the youth with his weapons and the oline play last night gave him no shot. Reminded me of his first start against the Chiefs where they blitzed every play and MLF did nothing to help out with protections.

I think he'll get better and better throughout the year and should set himself up nicely for next season. Would love to somehow sneak into the playoffs and get some experience there.

It's pretty clear we have something though.

[Ron Swanson]

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Young QB struggles when his O-line is actively getting him murdered. Water is wet.

[MVP2110]

We need to stop comparing him to AR and start comparing him to QBs league-wide. That’s all that matters.

The OL is an issue. But so is his accuracy.

This is where the Donovan McNabb comparison I think fits really well. McNabb consistently had a low completion % but the passes he did complete were high impact. I think that's basically been Jordan Love to a tee so far

There’s definitely been QBs whose end-results were better than their stats (Eli and Big Ben come to mind) but that’s a hell of a thing to try to pin your hopes on as fan.

The accuracy IS an issue. Look at week 1: CHI could not get ANY pressure, and yet Love still only managed like 50% completion.

Even grading on a curve for youth, that didn’t bode well.


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It is an issue but it's not a death sentence, there gave been several QBs who have had really good careers despite being inaccurate. The completion % by itself too doesn't take into account that Love's expected completion % is also the worst in the NFL. Basically everything he throws is medium to deep, there aren't many check downs to artificially bring up his completion %

[PintSizedBox10]

Eh, I think it's a little crazy to handwave the accuracy issues. 56% is atrociously bad.

[thomchatt3rton]

This is where the Donovan McNabb comparison I think fits really well. McNabb consistently had a low completion % but the passes he did complete were high impact. I think that's basically been Jordan Love to a tee so far

There’s definitely been QBs whose end-results were better than their stats (Eli and Big Ben come to mind) but that’s a hell of a thing to try to pin your hopes on as fan.

The accuracy IS an issue. Look at week 1: CHI could not get ANY pressure, and yet Love still only managed like 50% completion.

Even grading on a curve for youth, that didn’t bode well.


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It is an issue but it's not a death sentence, there gave been several QBs who have had really good careers despite being inaccurate. The completion % by itself too doesn't take into account that Love's expected completion % is also the worst in the NFL. Basically everything he throws is medium to deep, there aren't many check downs to artificially bring up his completion %

No nothing’s a death sentence now—too early for those

I just think a lot of ppl—not you specifically—have been irrationally too high on his start when imo it’s really not been great. He’s had good *moments*.


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[MVP2110]

Eh, I think it's a little crazy to handwave the accuracy issues. 56% is atrociously bad.

John Elway 56.9%
Warren Moon 58.4%
Donovan McNabb 59%
Dan Marino 59.4%
Eli Manning 60.3%
Andrew Luck 60.8%
Troy Aikman 61.5%
Brett Favre 62%(really raised up by the end of his career when his 3 high completion % years were 3 of his last 4 seasons. 2 of his MVP seasons were under 60%)

All really good to great QBs with low completion %s. It's obviously not idea and it'd be nice to raise it up a bit but a low completion % is not a death sentence by itself

[LUKE23]

Pretty much all those QBs are in a different era that was tougher on QBs. I’d like to see a list of recent SB contending QB (caliber not necessarily having to win one) that were sub 60% completion.

And let me reiterate- I’m not saying Love can’t get there. I’m just saying he can’t live in his current range and be our answer, IMO.

[FAH1223]

The accuracy is an issue. But like most everyone is saying, I think that'll improve with more live game reps.

He's also playing with such young WRs and TEs. It's not like has a veteran like Donald Driver out there as 12 did in 2008.

[MVP2110]

Pretty much all those QBs are in a different era that was tougher on QBs. I’d like to see a list of recent SB contending QB (caliber not necessarily having to win one) that were sub 60% completion.

And let me reiterate- I’m not saying Love can’t get there. I’m just saying he can’t live in his current range and be our answer, IMO.

56 is definitely too low but getting to the low 60s seems reasonable and if he can keep his impact stats up with that we would be in a good spot. I'm not sure artificially raising his completion % with more low impact checkdowns really does much

[stillgotgame]

Count me in the group that's irrationally high on him and his future:

He's in his first year - do you remember Favre's or Rodger's first year?
He's throwing to by far the youngest receiving corp in the league, probably ever
He's very calm under pressure. Notice how good we are in the red zone?
His accuracy deep downfield needs work - with time and reps that will come. Some downfield throws have been perfect too

You all are spoiled from watching 30+ years of watching Hall of Fame QBs. Too bad you didn't root for David Whitehurst or Randy Wright to give you some much needed perspective.

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I swear that number should be higher for Walker, felt like he was getting his ass handed to him every play.

Tom was bad last night so that checks out, knee was probably an issue but something to keep an eye on because man does he seem small for a T. I kind of wonder if C is better long term home.

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[skones]

Eh, I think it's a little crazy to handwave the accuracy issues. 56% is atrociously bad.

John Elway 56.9%
Warren Moon 58.4%
Donovan McNabb 59%
Dan Marino 59.4%
Eli Manning 60.3%
Andrew Luck 60.8%
Troy Aikman 61.5%
Brett Favre 62%(really raised up by the end of his career when his 3 high completion % years were 3 of his last 4 seasons. 2 of his MVP seasons were under 60%)

All really good to great QBs with low completion %s. It's obviously not idea and it'd be nice to raise it up a bit but a low completion % is not a death sentence by itself

Yeah, this is pretty disingenuous. QBs over the last 5 seasons who have finished the season sub 60% completion and started 8 games or more:

Cooper Rush
Zach Wilson x 2
Sam Darnold x 3
Trevor Lawrence
Carson Wentz
Drew Lock
Andy Dalton
Baker Mayfield
Josh Allen x 2
Dwayne Haskins
Jeff Driskel
Josh Rosen

He's 1/4 in games throwing above that level this season, and the deeper we get, the more tape there will be for teams to gameplan against him with. Overall, this is a major concern, and should be treated as such.