2021 Packers News, Trades, Transactions - Sternberger Released

[MoreTrife]

Gute said he's fine. TT once told him "they might kill you but they won't eat you"

Hahaha loved TT when he was all there. Cool customer.

Love Lafleur too.

[humanrefutation]

Gute said he's fine. TT once told him "they might kill you but they won't eat you"

Hahaha loved TT when he was all there. Cool customer.

Love Lafleur too.

Man, there might not have been a more hated person in Wisconsin than Ted Thompson back then. I'm sure that Gute wishes he could bend his ear about it.

[CWoodfan]

Packer fans won't turn on him unless he forces his way out of GB. And then at that point, you'll have a big segment of Packer fans that'll blame the Packers organization and will root against Jordan Love - that is, unless he becomes a HOFer.

This sounds familiar...

We know this from experience. Most Packer fans haven't evolved much over the last 15 years.

Sure, there are people who are turning on Aaron. A lot of the same arguments that came out against Favre's awful approach to the 2008 offseason apply to Rodgers as well. There's some selfishness. There's some ego. I was against Favre back then because I thought he approached that whole thing in a terrible way and really put the organization in a terrible position. Also, I was kinda ready to move on to Rodgers - that Dallas game had me intrigued.

I'm less annoyed with Rodgers right now, but he hasn't been Favre-caliber vindictive, yet.

But man, we had a hell of a ton of Favre fans who just trashed the Packers. Many of them crawled back when they won a Super Bowl with Aaron. But it was a pain for at least a couple seasons.

And right now, the Packers fans on my timelines are about 75-25 pro Rodgers.

Packer/Favre fans came back AFTER Farve F'ed up the 2009 NFC Championship game and cost the Vikes a trip to the Super Bowl AND Rodgers led the Pack to a SB win the following season in 2010 -- and then became an even better QB than Favre. Those things don't happen and there would have been a lot more lingering anger among the Packer/Farve fan base.

Should Gute drive Rodgers away, and any objective observer surely knows that was his plan with the trade up for Love, when the team was 5 points away from another SB trip in 2020 will be forgiven & forgotten ONLY if Rodgers does not lead some other team to a SB AND Love turns out to be the real deal.

Gute bet big on Jordan Love and expected Rodgers to let him have his cake (QB of the future in Love) and to eat it too (Rodgers under center in 2020 & 2021).

Now that Gute's master plan has blown up in his face, his only hope is the Rodgers no SB/Love good QB combo. Otherwise, he'll never recover among the faithful.

[RRyder823]

We know this from experience. Most Packer fans haven't evolved much over the last 15 years.

Sure, there are people who are turning on Aaron. A lot of the same arguments that came out against Favre's awful approach to the 2008 offseason apply to Rodgers as well. There's some selfishness. There's some ego. I was against Favre back then because I thought he approached that whole thing in a terrible way and really put the organization in a terrible position. Also, I was kinda ready to move on to Rodgers - that Dallas game had me intrigued.

I'm less annoyed with Rodgers right now, but he hasn't been Favre-caliber vindictive, yet.

But man, we had a hell of a ton of Favre fans who just trashed the Packers. Many of them crawled back when they won a Super Bowl with Aaron. But it was a pain for at least a couple seasons.

And right now, the Packers fans on my timelines are about 75-25 pro Rodgers.

And on my time line it's about 95-5 anti Rodgers (and honestly i only say "5" cause I'd assume there were a few posts I didn't see)

I get what your saying though and don't particularly disagree. But the bolded is in way more dispute then i believe your giving credit. It's not a great leap to say what Rodgers pulled is worse (at least in regards to his time with GB)

Yes I know you disagree with that but it isnt far fetched

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I don't know if I'd say far-fetched. That's not quite the term I'd use, because it's not something I'm speculating about.

I'd say that the facts of what Aaron has done so far don't rise to the level of what Favre did back in 2008. You don't agree with that. That's fine with me. It's a subjective analysis, ultimately. And I may feel differently if this is still going on in August.

Fair enough

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[Profound23]

Trade him to Denver for Jeudy, Fant, and 2 firsts

Or to Raiders for Waller, Riggs, 2 firsts


Either way trade him to an AFC team for their best young offensive players and picks so he has nothing to work with.

[PintSizedBox10]

No team would ever do that.

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[jimmybones]

Packers are handling this better and looking better than Aaron at this point. If they keep openly expressing they want him, are committed to him, willing to extend him. If after all that, on top of having a great team around him, he’s still all “no I’ll retire.” You can’t look at that as anything other than him being a diva.

I can see feeling some type of way about Love but they’re literally offering to extend him and commit to him. Get over the grudge dude.

[jimmybones]

Also I am not at all against kissing his ass publicly if that settles this. If stroking his ego is what it takes then stroke his ego. Daffy Duck gif

[stillgotgame]

Wow, MLF sure like's his ARod. That was some very genuine sucking up going on there.

https://www.packers.com/video/lafleur-recaps-packers-draft-conveys-desire-for-qb-rodgers-to-return

[DavidDunn21]

Also, the still in his prime MVP of the league demanding a trade is so much worse than anything Favre did it makes me wonder if some of you are on drugs.

Wow I agreed with you on this AND Falcon/Winter Soldier. What is going on

[ReasonablySober]

Also, the still in his prime MVP of the league demanding a trade is so much worse than anything Favre did it makes me wonder if some of you are on drugs.

Wow I agreed with you on this AND Falcon/Winter Soldier. What is going on

Holy ****.

[DavidDunn21]

I was Team Favre and always will be, but I'm wondering if any of you felt any lingering resentment to Brett BEFORE the whole 2008 saga. The reason I ask this is I moved out of state around that time and never really had a good read on what the fans actually thought.

My personal experience as a Favre Stan was basically: Brett Favre is awesome and the star I never thought the Bucks, Brewers or Packers would ever have. He made the Packers cool after years and years of The Bears and Raiders and Cowboys dominating the media/fashion/hip-hop landscape. 2007 was an incredibly fun return to form ride. My (possibly flawed) recollection was the national media got tired of having to cover him every summer and at a certain point turned on him. I didn't personally know any Packer fans who weren't rooting for him to come back and unretire. And I know a lot of people. Not that those people didn't exist, but what I've always felt is this:

Ari Fleischer spun the thing in a brilliant way, and all of a sudden "diva" and "hold the team hostage" was a part of the dialogue. Did anyone think Brett Favre was a diva in 2004? Was that a thing I just missed? Were there Wisconsinites saying that the Gunslinger was "holding the team hostage in '06? Or did a Bush spin doctor incept everyone into remembering it that way now? I know there was anger AFTER the Vikings year, but what percentage of Packers die-hards were sick of him before that?

Anyway, what Rodgers is doing is not remotely the same thing, in my opinion. Rodgers at least has the benefit of seeing how the last situation worked out. He's got a better offense, they brought back Jones, he doesn't want to retire and he's simply trying to pull a Harden because he's always been a _______. I'm not sure how you lose to Tom Brady at home and somehow spin it as being everyone else's fault. If I were the Packers, I'd wait him out so he had to explain himself publicly. There's no version of an explanation that makes him look good. At least Brett had a messy breakup that started with him trying to come back to play for the GREEN BAY PACKERS.

[LikeABosh]

Also, the still in his prime MVP of the league demanding a trade is so much worse than anything Favre did it makes me wonder if some of you are on drugs.

Wow I agreed with you on this AND Falcon/Winter Soldier. What is going on

[ReasonablySober]

I was Team Favre and always will be, but I'm wondering if any of you felt any lingering resentment to Brett BEFORE the whole 2008 saga. The reason I ask this is I moved out of state around that time and never really had a good read on what the fans actually thought.

My personal experience as a Favre Stan was basically: Brett Favre is awesome and the star I never thought the Bucks, Brewers or Packers would ever have. He made the Packers cool after years and years of The Bears and Raiders and Cowboys dominating the media/fashion/hip-hop landscape. 2007 was an incredibly fun return to form ride. My (possibly flawed) recollection was the national media got tired of having to cover him every summer and at a certain point turned on him. I didn't personally know any Packer fans who weren't rooting for him to come back and unretire. And I know a lot of people. Not that those people didn't exist, but what I've always felt is this:

Ari Fleischer spun the thing in a brilliant way, and all of a sudden "diva" and "hold the team hostage" was a part of the dialogue. Did anyone think Brett Favre was a diva in 2004? Was that a thing I just missed? Were there Wisconsinites saying that the Gunslinger was "holding the team hostage in '06? Or did a Bush spin doctor incept everyone into remembering it that way now? I know there was anger AFTER the Vikings year, but what percentage of Packers die-hards were sick of him before that?

Anyway, what Rodgers is doing is not remotely the same thing, in my opinion. Rodgers at least has the benefit of seeing how the last situation worked out. He's got a better offense, they brought back Jones, he doesn't want to retire and he's simply trying to pull a Harden because he's always been a _______. I'm not sure how you lose to Tom Brady at home and somehow spin it as being everyone else's fault. If I were the Packers, I'd wait him out so he had to explain himself publicly. There's no version of an explanation that makes him look good. At least Brett had a messy breakup that started with him trying to come back to play for the GREEN BAY PACKERS.

Oh, **** Favre and what he did too.

There, the universe is restored.

[DavidDunn21]

I was Team Favre and always will be, but I'm wondering if any of you felt any lingering resentment to Brett BEFORE the whole 2008 saga. The reason I ask this is I moved out of state around that time and never really had a good read on what the fans actually thought.

My personal experience as a Favre Stan was basically: Brett Favre is awesome and the star I never thought the Bucks, Brewers or Packers would ever have. He made the Packers cool after years and years of The Bears and Raiders and Cowboys dominating the media/fashion/hip-hop landscape. 2007 was an incredibly fun return to form ride. My (possibly flawed) recollection was the national media got tired of having to cover him every summer and at a certain point turned on him. I didn't personally know any Packer fans who weren't rooting for him to come back and unretire. And I know a lot of people. Not that those people didn't exist, but what I've always felt is this:

Ari Fleischer spun the thing in a brilliant way, and all of a sudden "diva" and "hold the team hostage" was a part of the dialogue. Did anyone think Brett Favre was a diva in 2004? Was that a thing I just missed? Were there Wisconsinites saying that the Gunslinger was "holding the team hostage in '06? Or did a Bush spin doctor incept everyone into remembering it that way now? I know there was anger AFTER the Vikings year, but what percentage of Packers die-hards were sick of him before that?

Anyway, what Rodgers is doing is not remotely the same thing, in my opinion. Rodgers at least has the benefit of seeing how the last situation worked out. He's got a better offense, they brought back Jones, he doesn't want to retire and he's simply trying to pull a Harden because he's always been a _______. I'm not sure how you lose to Tom Brady at home and somehow spin it as being everyone else's fault. If I were the Packers, I'd wait him out so he had to explain himself publicly. There's no version of an explanation that makes him look good. At least Brett had a messy breakup that started with him trying to come back to play for the GREEN BAY PACKERS.

Oh, **** Favre and what he did too.

There, the universe is restored.

Ok, but specifically my question is what percentage of fans felt strong animus beforehand. I guess we'll never know unless Kellyanne Conway gets hired to call Rodgers a pussy

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[FAH1223]

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[ReasonablySober]

I was Team Favre and always will be, but I'm wondering if any of you felt any lingering resentment to Brett BEFORE the whole 2008 saga. The reason I ask this is I moved out of state around that time and never really had a good read on what the fans actually thought.

My personal experience as a Favre Stan was basically: Brett Favre is awesome and the star I never thought the Bucks, Brewers or Packers would ever have. He made the Packers cool after years and years of The Bears and Raiders and Cowboys dominating the media/fashion/hip-hop landscape. 2007 was an incredibly fun return to form ride. My (possibly flawed) recollection was the national media got tired of having to cover him every summer and at a certain point turned on him. I didn't personally know any Packer fans who weren't rooting for him to come back and unretire. And I know a lot of people. Not that those people didn't exist, but what I've always felt is this:

Ari Fleischer spun the thing in a brilliant way, and all of a sudden "diva" and "hold the team hostage" was a part of the dialogue. Did anyone think Brett Favre was a diva in 2004? Was that a thing I just missed? Were there Wisconsinites saying that the Gunslinger was "holding the team hostage in '06? Or did a Bush spin doctor incept everyone into remembering it that way now? I know there was anger AFTER the Vikings year, but what percentage of Packers die-hards were sick of him before that?

Anyway, what Rodgers is doing is not remotely the same thing, in my opinion. Rodgers at least has the benefit of seeing how the last situation worked out. He's got a better offense, they brought back Jones, he doesn't want to retire and he's simply trying to pull a Harden because he's always been a _______. I'm not sure how you lose to Tom Brady at home and somehow spin it as being everyone else's fault. If I were the Packers, I'd wait him out so he had to explain himself publicly. There's no version of an explanation that makes him look good. At least Brett had a messy breakup that started with him trying to come back to play for the GREEN BAY PACKERS.

Oh, **** Favre and what he did too.

There, the universe is restored.

Ok, but specifically my question is what percentage of fans felt strong animus beforehand. I guess we'll never know unless Kellyanne Conway gets hired to call Rodgers a pussy

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I always liked Favre and didn't know anyone who didn't. This was before social media gave people a way to show their asses. The game was different back then and players would retire well before he did. I still have a very vivid memory of Greg Lloyd hitting him in the chin with his helmet and that hit today would lead sports shows for a week.

But once Favre did his official retire and then the return song and dance I was done with him. I'm saying this as someone who still has the SI Sportsman of the Year issue he won for his season before. It was unfair to the organization and to Rodgers. What he pulled was total garbage. He goes to the Jets with the sole reason to get to the Vikings a year later. When Favre came to Lambeau I was there that night and I remember my brother and I not saying a single word on the three hour drive home after.

I don't hold any hatred for him. It was a sports kind of despise thing and after he retired I softened my opinion on him again and I'll always of course appreciate the years he gave the team and the memories I have of him playing.

That said, he's been a MASSIVE piece of **** in real ways that have hurt people, both with his actions and his opinions. He's not a good person, and the less I have to think about him the better.

But from a team screwing perspective, what Rodgers is doing is a lot worse.

[JayMKE]

There definitely was vocal group of people who wanted to move on from Favre for reasons beyond the retirement drama, Rodgers was obviously ready too. Favre looked way more done than Rodgers ever did, Rodgers never even hinted at retirement before now and has been dicked around by the FO instead. Things worked out before because Rodgers was an even better QB than Favre, what are the realistic chances of that happening again?

Elite QBs playing into their 40s isn’t that weird anymore, is there much doubt thay Rodgers would be our best option there for the next 5 years? Favre had some football in him still after leaving, we know Rodgers can still play, does anyone doubt he can’t win another MVP or Superbowl with another team? Im going to side with our star player and MVP 99 times out of 100. Most fans even pro Gute/Love aren’t even ready to move on, i imagine there is almost a 1 for 1 correlation posting Rodgers trades and those who were posting Giannis trades because he hadn’t yet signed his extension.

Gute getting **** seems like the easiest and least painful way to get out of this, this situation should have never happened. Its the GMs responsibility to maintain open lines of communication and the confidence of their franchise player, this is a fireable offense.

[CWoodfan]

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Stupid, stupid Tampa Bay ... letting a diva QB get involved in personnel matters can only lead to ruination.

What are we going to hear next, that Brady asked for certain players like Gronk, Antonio Brown, and Fournette last year and the organization went out and got them for him?

Madness, simply madness.

Bucs GM needs to learn from the way business is conducted by the bestest front office in all of football - the GREEN BAY PACKERS.

In Green Bay the GMs GM, coaches coach, and the players either know their role is to shut up and do as they are told or they can find work elsewhere.

That is the only way a team like Green Bay has been able to win 7 NFC North Titles in 10 seasons Tampa, not by keeping its HOF QB in the loop on the makeup of the team.

Learn from your betters in Green Bay Bucs front office folks, learn from your betters.

[coolhandluke121]

I'm of the opinion that Favre was being passive aggressive with the retirement indecision because he wanted to be treated like a star again. The Packers were built around Ahman Green and the running game for years, and rightfully so. Favre had played not just below his own superstar standards for several years, like Rodgers in 2018 and 2019, but frankly below the standards of even being above average. I frankly still don't understand why he's considered a consensus top-10 QB considered how many incredibly dumb interceptions he threw in his career. Some people act like he had to try to take risks and make plays at all costs, but he routinely did stuff like that when he didn't need to.

In any case, wasn't he more than happy to play once he got traded? Doesn't that suggest it was not really about considering retirement, but more about not wanting to play for the Packers anymore? Rodgers is more openly hurting the team, but like I said, Favre was just being more passive aggressive about it. Furthermore, Rodgers has much more of a right to be annoyed with the Packers than Favre did. Even after a few down years, by his GOAT standards, he's still much better than Favre was after the 90's and deserved an all-in shot at another ring.

Furthermore, drafting Rodgers was very different from drafting Love. Rodgers was literally a top-5 talent and you could make a case for #1, but SF went with Alex Smith and the other teams didn't want QB's so he slid all the way to #24. At some point you have to be opportunistic and take a gift like that, even if you have a consensus HOF QB already on your roster. Trading up for Love, who is much more of a reach to begin with, is much harder to justify under the circumstances, especially when you have a chance to address greater needs with arguably more talented players whom you don't even have to trade up for.

So there are a lot of differences between the two situations, but most of them favor Rodgers IMO - as pretty much everything favors Rodgers in every single comparison you can possibly make between the two. His behavior may look more disruptive on the surface, but in the end the effect and result are the same and he's at least a little more justified in his behavior.

All that said, I don't even hate the Love pick. It was a gamble on someone they liked, and they had reason to worry Rodgers was on the decline. But Rodgers proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that he deserved an all-in draft to address this year's needs, and that's the risk Gute ran by going with his gut. This is the type of stuff GM's lose their jobs over, and I think that could be an acceptable way out of this mess, even though Rodgers is being really unfair if he doesn't realize how much Gute did to help get them so close to a title in the first place.