2025 NFL Draft

[Finn]

It's so bad that I'm wondering if he's going through something. Or he's just not taken this seriously. I know Miami fans weren't happy he skipped out on the bowl and there was some diva off-field issues whispered about. If that's the case it's baffling. You gotta be ultimate team try-hard guy if you're 5'10" and slow.

All I know is that every time I watched a Miami game (not that many), that dude was making all kinds of catches, some of the incredible variety.

[Frank Nova]

Bukowski did a mock he traded 23 for 50, 52 and a 2026 2nd with Seattle. I’m all over that if we aren’t trading up for Tet or Harmon, Warren, Johnson and Barron don’t fall to 23. With the lack of top end WR talent in this class, I’m fully expecting all the top defensive guys to go early and often.

[MKE_Hodag22]

Bukowski did a mock he traded 23 for 50, 52 and a 2026 2nd with Seattle. I’m all over that if we aren’t trading up for Tet or Harmon, Warren, Johnson and Barron don’t fall to 23. With the lack of top end WR talent in this class, I’m fully expecting all the top defensive guys to go early and often.

Value wise that seems a bit rich for #23.

Per this, values would be:

23 - 760
50 - 400
52 - 380
assuming SEA finishes with 50th pick in 2026 , that'd be roughly 400

GB Incoming value = 1,180 / GB Outgoing value = 760 ... so like a 400pt difference give or take.

That being said, if SEA would do it -- GB would have 50 / 52 / 54 in R2. would do something along the lines of:

50 - Jayden Higgins, WR Iowa State
52 - Maxwell Hairston or Trey Amos (whoever falls), DB
54 - Josiah Steward, DE Michigan

[MVP2110]

I try not to get overly caught up in raw athletic numbers anymore. Lots of bench presses and fast 3 cone times don’t result in sacks and slow 40s don’t result in bad RBs and WRs. The tape tells the tale, I need to see production and game speed is still a real thing like it always has been.

Are there any players that really pop out that were statistically average in college but showed out at the combine and became real difference makers in the league? It can’t be a very high %.

Pretty much every good player in the NFL with a high RAS score drafted in round 3 or later would be much guess

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Not even remotely close to what I was looking for but I did ask and you did answer and technically you’re right so that works.

Travon Walker only had 9 career sacks in college and everyone made fun of Jacksonville for taking him #1 overall but he's coming off b2b seasons of double digit sacks

[Frank Nova]

Pretty much every good player in the NFL with a high RAS score drafted in round 3 or later would be much guess

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Not even remotely close to what I was looking for but I did ask and you did answer and technically you’re right so that works.

Travon Walker only had 9 career sacks in college and everyone made fun of Jacksonville for taking him #1 overall but he's coming off b2b seasons of double digit sacks

That’s a good one. I was looking for this type of guy as an example. In retrospect tho, they passed on Aiden Hutchinson and Derek Stingley so I think you can still make the argument taking dudes like Travon Walker based off projection and raw attributes is still not worth it when you’re looking at dudes that check more boxes.

[MVP2110]

Not even remotely close to what I was looking for but I did ask and you did answer and technically you’re right so that works.

Travon Walker only had 9 career sacks in college and everyone made fun of Jacksonville for taking him #1 overall but he's coming off b2b seasons of double digit sacks

That’s a good one. I was looking for this type of guy as an example. In retrospect tho, they passed on Aiden Hutchinson and Derek Stingley so I think you can still make the argument taking dudes like Travon Walker based off projection and raw attributes is still not worth it when you’re looking at dudes that check more boxes.

I actually think Stingley is another decent example of a guy who didn't produce monster college stats but tested really well and has been awesome in the league. He had a great freshman season but then only played in 10 games over the next two years at LSU with only 5 Passes defended and 0 INT. Part of that though as well is good CBs rarely get thrown at

[MVP2110]

Not even remotely close to what I was looking for but I did ask and you did answer and technically you’re right so that works.

Travon Walker only had 9 career sacks in college and everyone made fun of Jacksonville for taking him #1 overall but he's coming off b2b seasons of double digit sacks

That’s a good one. I was looking for this type of guy as an example. In retrospect tho, they passed on Aiden Hutchinson and Derek Stingley so I think you can still make the argument taking dudes like Travon Walker based off projection and raw attributes is still not worth it when you’re looking at dudes that check more boxes.

Just to name a few other guys who had limited college production but tested well and then succeeded in the NFL

Terry McLaurin(oddly enough Gute took Sternberger who was coming off a really nice season in college but tested poorly one pick earlier)
Danielle Hunter
Chris Jones
George Kittle
Clay Matthews
Josh Allen(QB)
Rashan Gary

I think in general it's best to look at the whole picture with guys. Limiting to only guys with great college production or just great athletes isn't going to succeed. Heck even someone like Josh Jacobs who tested poorly and had limited college production can blow up in the NFL. The draft is a crap shoot and while certain trends are true there are very few hard & fast rules.

[ReasonablySober]

From the last few drafts I'd say Kwity Paye, Payton Turner, Eric Stokes, Odafe Oweh, Quay Walker, Lukas Van Ness, Deonte Banks, and Mazi Smith all fit the label of looked like Tarzan, played like Jane.

[Matches Malone]

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[nagawicka]

TE is a little bit of a sneaky need to me. Kraft is great but Musgrave is one more injury riddled season away from hitting bust territory and the other guys we have are just bodies.

I also think that MLF clearly wants two impact TEs on the field or they wouldn't have taken Kraft immediately after drafting Musgrave.

With the dearth of receivers in this class, if you want to add a legit weapon in the passing game your options probably are Tet, Warren, or Loveland. I like the Iowa State guys too, but they're not at the level of the above three.

Harold Fannin
Jaylin Conyers

other options will be there

[Matches Malone]

Ashton Gillotte checking off a lot of boxes at his pro day. Would be a nice Day 2 edge if we don't get one earlier. He's got great size for an even front and is strong against the run.

[Frank Nova]

Dallas, Arizona, Denver and LAC all seem most likely to be the 1st team ahead of us that would take Tet. Can’t see him falling past all 4 teams but if he does he has to be the pick at 23.

[ReasonablySober]

I know there's depth at needed positions in the 2nd and 3rd, but this is a particularly terrible draft for teams in the teens all the way through the 30s.

Trade way up and get an impact starter, or trade way down and get some depth.

Here I moved up (only did five rounds):



Got my favorite DB heading into the year and a very solid deep threat with better than advertised speed.

Here I traded back:



I like JT. Deep threats in Harris and Horton and move weapon in Fannin. Depth picks on day three.

[Frank Nova]

I love both those ideas at this point. Will Johnson would be a home run target. I don’t think we can sit at 23 and wait for any of the top defensive players. Just feels like a draft where offensive players are most likely to slip through and Tet and Warren probably are the main 2 offensive players (besides QBs) that don’t fall. The idea of trading in either direction gets more appealing the closer we are getting. 2026 seems like a more lucrative draft for the Packers where we stand so trading down to acquire an extra pick in 2025 and a top 100 pick in 2026 is probably the best move as of now imo.

[TroyD92]

Had Golden fall in one of my mocks. Seems to fit the speedster with some extra juice archetype. Probably doesnt meet all the Packer thresholds though

[MVP2110]

I know there's been a lot of back and forth about traits vs production within draft discussions the last few weeks, specifically around edge rushers. The Athletic Football show had a really nuanced and interesting discussion about this very thing today. A really fun listen

https://open.spotify.com/episode/4uiARwLaF05Wem0tMNpvn7?si=_Ox8mWY7R0ep14iMyXtKeA

[ReasonablySober]

I know there's been a lot of back and forth about traits vs production within draft discussions the last few weeks, specifically around edge rushers. The Athletic Football show had a really nuanced and interesting discussion about this very thing today. A really fun listen

https://open.spotify.com/episode/4uiARwLaF05Wem0tMNpvn7?si=_Ox8mWY7R0ep14iMyXtKeA

20 minutes in and I'm sorry, I can't take the Packers guy seriously. You can't look at Stewart last season and openly wonder why he isn't a top five pick. You definitely can't use Travon Walker as a "success" like he did when he's 44th in Pass Rush Productivity among players with at least 200 rushes.

It's not just that Stewart and Williams weren't productive. It's that they were abysmal.

[MVP2110]

I know there's been a lot of back and forth about traits vs production within draft discussions the last few weeks, specifically around edge rushers. The Athletic Football show had a really nuanced and interesting discussion about this very thing today. A really fun listen

https://open.spotify.com/episode/4uiARwLaF05Wem0tMNpvn7?si=_Ox8mWY7R0ep14iMyXtKeA

20 minutes in and I'm sorry, I can't take the Packers guy seriously. You can't look at Stewart last season and openly wonder why he isn't a top five pick. You definitely can't use Travon Walker as a "success" like he did when he's 44th in Pass Rush Productivity among players with at least 200 rushes.

It's not just that Stewart and Williams weren't productive. It's that they were abysmal.

I thought the part about how college offenses now are so different from NFL offenses was really interesting. And how there are so many less true pass rush sets in college days.

That said I agree that top 5 for Stewart is too high. But I'd gladly nab him at 23

[ReasonablySober]

I know there's been a lot of back and forth about traits vs production within draft discussions the last few weeks, specifically around edge rushers. The Athletic Football show had a really nuanced and interesting discussion about this very thing today. A really fun listen

https://open.spotify.com/episode/4uiARwLaF05Wem0tMNpvn7?si=_Ox8mWY7R0ep14iMyXtKeA

20 minutes in and I'm sorry, I can't take the Packers guy seriously. You can't look at Stewart last season and openly wonder why he isn't a top five pick. You definitely can't use Travon Walker as a "success" like he did when he's 44th in Pass Rush Productivity among players with at least 200 rushes.

It's not just that Stewart and Williams weren't productive. It's that they were abysmal.

I thought the part about how college offenses now are so different from NFL offenses was really interesting. And how there are so many less true pass rush sets in college days.

That said I agree that top 5 for Stewart is too high. But I'd gladly nab him at 23

I thought that sounded like excuse making for a guy he wants to justify liking. There are still dominant and productive pass rushers most years. This just isn't one of them.

[MVP2110]

20 minutes in and I'm sorry, I can't take the Packers guy seriously. You can't look at Stewart last season and openly wonder why he isn't a top five pick. You definitely can't use Travon Walker as a "success" like he did when he's 44th in Pass Rush Productivity among players with at least 200 rushes.

It's not just that Stewart and Williams weren't productive. It's that they were abysmal.

I thought the part about how college offenses now are so different from NFL offenses was really interesting. And how there are so many less true pass rush sets in college days.

That said I agree that top 5 for Stewart is too high. But I'd gladly nab him at 23

I thought that sounded like excuse making for a guy he wants to justify liking. There are still dominant and productive pass rushers most years. This just isn't one of them.

Yea, i don't feel 100% about any of the pass rushers this year, they all have a flaws somewhere. There isn't an Aidan Hutchinson in this draft. I think focusing too much though on guys who had great production but didn't test well, or guys who tested well but didn't have great production is a mistake and leads to crossing off players who will be successful. There are plenty of examples both ways of guys who succeeded and who failed