Packers 2020 Offseason Thread - Packers Talking Extension with Aaron Jones

LikeABosh · Post #361 » by **LikeABosh** » Mon Mar 16, 2020 6:51 pm

What an embarrassing trade for the Texans. I'd be so pissed if I were a Houston fan

Daver · Post #362 » by **Daver** » Mon Mar 16, 2020 6:54 pm

Absolutely wish the packers were in on this embarrassing trade instead of AZ

Daver · Post #363 » by **Daver** » Mon Mar 16, 2020 6:56 pm

Get a guy like hopkins to play opposite adams and that TE situation becomes even less of a need

Wisky4life · Post #364 » by **Wisky4life** » Mon Mar 16, 2020 6:56 pm

So are we signing Amari Cooper then?

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Big n Black · Post #365 » by **Big n Black** » Mon Mar 16, 2020 6:59 pm

This team is gross. Rodgers is washed up, no receivers, O-line is getting old and just slams beers, the defense still gets exposed against anybody half-decent, and they still have a habit of drafting busts in the first round.

Post #366 » by **humanrefutation** » Mon Mar 16, 2020 7:05 pm

Let's go get OBJ.

Flames24Rulz · Post #367 » by **Flames24Rulz** » Mon Mar 16, 2020 8:13 pm

Big n Black wrote:This team is gross. Rodgers is washed up, no receivers, O-line is getting old and just slams beers, the defense still gets exposed against anybody half-decent, and they still have a habit of drafting busts in the first round.

Dude, the legal tampering period for FA literally just started a few hours ago.

Post #368 » by **humanrefutation** » Mon Mar 16, 2020 8:22 pm

Here is Barnwell on our moves:

Rick Wagner, OT, Green Bay Packers
The deal: Two years, $11 million
Grade: B

While I'm a little skeptical of the Christian Kirksey deal given positional scarcity, buying relatively low on Wagner is a reasonable Plan B if the Packers plan on letting Bryan Bulaga leave. Our Field Yates reported that this deal contains a $3.5 million signing bonus, and if there's nothing guaranteed after Year 1, this is a low-cost addition given the lack of tackles on the market and the increasing comfort teams have with giving right tackles top-tier money.

Wagner is three years removed from getting what was the market-setting deal for right tackles at five years and $47.5 million from the Lions. At that price, Wagner disappointed the Lions. Injuries impacted his play, but after allowing seven sacks across four seasons with the Ravens, Wagner allowed six sacks in 2017 and 6.5 sacks in 2018. He was 107th in ESPN's pass block win rate statistic, which credited the 30-year-old with 10 sacks allowed.

At this price tag, though, Wagner only needs to be a passable starting tackle or an above-average swing option to justify his deal. The Packers have three linemen for two guard spots with Elgton Jenkins, Lane Taylor and Billy Turner; I would expect Turner and Wagner to compete for the right tackle job in camp. Even given his decline in Detroit, Wagner should be the better option.

Christian Kirksey, LB, Green Bay Packers
The deal: Two years, $13 million
Grade: C+

Brian Gutekunst signaled his plans to stay active in free agency for the third consecutive year as Packers general manager. His moves on offense (Jimmy Graham, Billy Turner) have been a mess, while the signings he made to shore up the defense (Za'Darius Smith, Preston Smith, Adrian Amos) looked brilliant until the NFC Championship Game. The Packers finished the year 15th in defensive DVOA and 23rd against the run, so after the 49ers gashed them for 285 rushing yards and four touchdowns, you would figure Gutekunst would target somebody who could help stop the league's best rushing attacks.

When he's healthy, Kirksey is capable of making a difference there. Over the past two years, the Browns were better with their starting linebacker in the lineup than they were without him. Cleveland allowed 4.6 yards per carry and a 25.9% first-down rate over that time frame with Kirksey on the field. Without him, they allowed 4.9 yards per carry and a 27.9% first-down rate. Of course, even that 4.6 yards per carry mark isn't exactly thrilling, and the success rate by expected points added (EPA) for Kirksey was virtually identical. The Browns allowed successful runs 56% of the time with him on the field and 55.7% of the time without him.

Injuries are an even bigger concern, given that he missed 23 games over the past two seasons with hamstring and pectoral injuries. Kirksey is listed at 235 pounds but might be best as a 4-3 weakside linebacker. The Packers are in a 3-4 front when they go with their base defense, which is where they're hoping Kirksey will make a difference. He'll be moving to play inside linebacker in that scheme, and while he was successful in a 3-4 base during his healthier years with the Browns, there are reasonable concerns that his body might struggle to hold up after the injuries of 2018 and 2019.

The reality is also that teams typically find early-down linebackers available for relatively cheap without having to commit $8 million per year, as the Packers did to sign Kirksey before free agency. A healthy, productive Kirksey is probably worth about this much, and we have to see how much of this deal is guaranteed, but this seems like a problem the Packers could have waited to fill with a post-June 1 cut or a draft pick. It's money I would have rather used to keep around offensive tackle Bryan Bulaga.

UPDATE: This deal actually came in as a two-year, $13 million pact with just a $4 million signing bonus guaranteed at the time of signing; I like it more for the Packers under those circumstances and have adjusted the grade.

BallinBucks420 · Post #369 » by **BallinBucks420** » Mon Mar 16, 2020 8:54 pm

'2 years 13 mil and only 4 cap hit sounds good to me...Gotta think the Browns might be willing to move Njoku after the Hooper signing for cheap

Post #370 » by **humanrefutation** » Mon Mar 16, 2020 8:54 pm

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Daver · Post #371 » by **Daver** » Mon Mar 16, 2020 9:08 pm

I know resigning clark and bak is important but the packers need to add another ILB another vet DT and either a vet. #2 wr or TE

Treebeard · Post #372 » by **Treebeard** » Mon Mar 16, 2020 9:25 pm

Daver wrote:I know resigning clark and bak is important but the packers need to add another ILB another vet DT and either a vet. #2 wr or TE

I doubt they can swing all of that through FA. Some of the gaps will need to be filled via the draft.

Ayt · Post #373 » by **Ayt** » Mon Mar 16, 2020 9:26 pm

Clark's contract is going to be massive.

MAC1987 · Post #374 » by **MAC1987** » Mon Mar 16, 2020 10:51 pm

I'm going to ask. Do we pay Clark 15-20 million per?

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Daver · Post #375 » by **Daver** » Mon Mar 16, 2020 11:02 pm

MAC1987 wrote:I'm going to ask. Do we pay Clark 15-20 million per?

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If we want to keep him unfortunately yes though i dont think hes close to Buckner in terns of stats or talent least not yet

Mags FTW · Post #376 » by **Mags FTW** » Mon Mar 16, 2020 11:36 pm

MAC1987 wrote:I'm going to ask. Do we pay Clark 15-20 million per?

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Not after last year. I know he was playing hurt, and the LBs behind him stunk, but I need to see if we get gashed up the middle again with different guys around him.

Daver · Post #377 » by **Daver** » Mon Mar 16, 2020 11:48 pm

Mags FTW wrote:
MAC1987 wrote:I'm going to ask. Do we pay Clark 15-20 million per?

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Not after last year. I know he was playing hurt, and the LBs behind him stunk, but I need to see if we get gashed up the middle again with different guys around him.

Spot on i mean look who buckner had around him holy crap and then clark had nothing next to him i think clark would be a monster if he had a player with a pulse next to him you cant double team buckner but sure as hell can double team clark the dudes he has next to him shouldnt even be starting lowry n montgomery um um yuck

Frank Nova · Post #378 » by **Frank Nova** » Mon Mar 16, 2020 11:56 pm

Mags FTW wrote:
MAC1987 wrote:I'm going to ask. Do we pay Clark 15-20 million per?

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Not after last year. I know he was playing hurt, and the LBs behind him stunk, but I need to see if we get gashed up the middle again with different guys around him.

I totally agree but unfortunately we aren’t going to get that opportunity. I highly doubt Clark is interested in a prove it deal. I’d let him walk personally. He’s really not close to Buckner and is light years behind Donald basically like the rest of the league is but you don’t pay the rest of the league comparable money to the 2 best. Sign and trade him for a 1st if you can, settle on a 2nd via trade or negotiate a more team friendly contract. After that, let him walk. Those are the options I’d exhaust in chronological order lol.

Mags FTW · Post #379 » by **Mags FTW** » Tue Mar 17, 2020 12:07 am

Frank Nova wrote:
Mags FTW wrote:
MAC1987 wrote:I'm going to ask. Do we pay Clark 15-20 million per?

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Not after last year. I know he was playing hurt, and the LBs behind him stunk, but I need to see if we get gashed up the middle again with different guys around him.

I totally agree but unfortunately we aren’t going to get that opportunity. I highly doubt Clark is interested in a prove it deal. I’d let him walk personally.

He's not an FA.

Daver · Post #380 » by **Daver** » Tue Mar 17, 2020 12:38 am

Frank Nova wrote:
Mags FTW wrote:
MAC1987 wrote:I'm going to ask. Do we pay Clark 15-20 million per?

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Not after last year. I know he was playing hurt, and the LBs behind him stunk, but I need to see if we get gashed up the middle again with different guys around him.

I totally agree but unfortunately we aren’t going to get that opportunity. I highly doubt Clark is interested in a prove it deal. I’d let him walk personally. He’s really not close to Buckner and is light years behind Donald basically like the rest of the league is but you don’t pay the rest of the league comparable money to the 2 best. Sign and trade him for a 1st if you can, settle on a 2nd via trade or negotiate a more team friendly contract. After that, let him walk. Those are the options I’d exhaust in chronological order lol.

I dont know other than stats how we can compare ckark to buckner i mean clark was double teamed damn near every game cause his side kicks sucked ass buckner was never double teamed not with that front 4.Would like to see what type of year clark would have if he had a partner not named montgomery and lowry and actually had someone next to him could take away clarks double teams.
Im not saying hes not worth 15-20 million but the rams n niners have a much better front 4 which allows donald and buckner more 1 on 1s