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Re: 2021 Packers Off Season - Rodgers Wants Gute Canned 

Post#361 » by RRyder823 » Sun May 2, 2021 4:55 pm

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Dude threw more pick sixes in 1 season than Rodgers did in the last 15 years. But keep dreaming.
He's definitely got potential to be a good, if not great QB. But zero chance he's ready now. None.


I'm simply saying he's a better option than Teddy Bridgewater. Teddy is awful and doesn't have the experience of being in MlF's offense for a season.


Anyone then. The key to coming out of this successful is not eroding Love's confidence.
This I agree with you on. Love was a 2-3 year project coming out (which is why I thought we were such a perfect situation for him). It's the reason why projections on him ranged all the way from top 6 overall in a QB heavy draft all the way to early 2nd round.

He's still at least a year away and the most common mistake made by teams in this era is throwing QBs to the wolves before they're ready because of draft position and it ends up stunting their development

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Re: 2021 Packers Off Season - Rodgers Wants Gute Canned 

Post#362 » by Daver » Sun May 2, 2021 5:02 pm

Kinda wonder if miss rogers would be acting like a little beatch if GB beat TB i mean in some case n point rogers is as much to blame as MLF for losing that game.
I just dont understand the love thing packers needed to draft someone to eventually replace rogers
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Re: 2021 Packers Off Season - Rodgers Wants Gute Canned 

Post#363 » by Wooderson » Sun May 2, 2021 5:03 pm

paulpressey25 wrote:See two truths with Rodgers situation.

2)(agenda alert - If Momma's not happy, no one is happy. Have strong belief the new fiancé will not be a helpful partner in things if he stays in Green Bay this year).


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Re: 2021 Packers Off Season - Rodgers Wants Gute Canned 

Post#364 » by midranger » Sun May 2, 2021 5:12 pm

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midranger wrote:Key question IMO: who is easier to replace, Gute or Rodgers?

This is business, can’t make it personal. Sure Rodgers is acting like a total diva/may have some legit beefs, but he’s also an MVP QB (last year). Gute seems like a decent, middling GM. Can his ass and take 2 more swings at the Super Bowl, imo.

I know it upsets our Midwestern sensibilities, but look at it this way. Gute made a huge bet against Rodgers. Placed his whole stake on it. He lost spectacularly. Rodgers won. Lose a bet like that? Lose your seat at the table.


One more crack at a SB. The roster is getting gutted in '22 if Rodgers is still on the roster. That's where, if anything, Gute succeeded. He structured Rodgers' deal with an opt out after '21 that makes keeping the roster intact doable. Rodgers gets moved, Love steps in.

If Rodgers is around in '22 this roster is a dumpster fire.

I assume the new guy would restructure
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Re: 2021 Packers Off Season - Rodgers Wants Gute Canned 

Post#365 » by ReasonablySober » Sun May 2, 2021 5:13 pm

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midranger wrote:Key question IMO: who is easier to replace, Gute or Rodgers?

This is business, can’t make it personal. Sure Rodgers is acting like a total diva/may have some legit beefs, but he’s also an MVP QB (last year). Gute seems like a decent, middling GM. Can his ass and take 2 more swings at the Super Bowl, imo.

I know it upsets our Midwestern sensibilities, but look at it this way. Gute made a huge bet against Rodgers. Placed his whole stake on it. He lost spectacularly. Rodgers won. Lose a bet like that? Lose your seat at the table.


One more crack at a SB. The roster is getting gutted in '22 if Rodgers is still on the roster. That's where, if anything, Gute succeeded. He structured Rodgers' deal with an opt out after '21 that makes keeping the roster intact doable. Rodgers gets moved, Love steps in.

If Rodgers is around in '22 this roster is a dumpster fire.

I assume the new guy would restructure


The current guy has been restructuring.
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Re: 2021 Packers Off Season - Rodgers Wants Gute Canned 

Post#366 » by stillgotgame » Sun May 2, 2021 5:24 pm

midranger wrote:Key question IMO: who is easier to replace, Gute or Rodgers?

This is business, can’t make it personal. Sure Rodgers is acting like a total diva/may have some legit beefs, but he’s also an MVP QB (last year). Gute seems like a decent, middling GM. Can his ass and take 2 more swings at the Super Bowl, imo.

I know it upsets our Midwestern sensibilities, but look at it this way. Gute made a huge bet against Rodgers. Placed his whole stake on it. He lost spectacularly. Rodgers won. Lose a bet like that? Lose your seat at the table.


Gute made that bet with Murphy's blessing. If Murphy wants to stick his nose in stuff he's culpable too. Also, he should have been the guy making sure there was communication and planning with this, not making it a jab at Rodgers.
I like Gute as a talent evaluator, and firing him definitely goes against midwestern ways. I wouldn't fire him, and I like Rodgers more than most.
Suck up to Rodgers, extend his contract and talk him into staying. Then trade him in 2 years if we don't win a Super Bowl, and the kid will be ready to shine.
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Re: 2021 Packers Off Season - Rodgers Wants Gute Canned 

Post#367 » by midranger » Sun May 2, 2021 5:25 pm

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One more crack at a SB. The roster is getting gutted in '22 if Rodgers is still on the roster. That's where, if anything, Gute succeeded. He structured Rodgers' deal with an opt out after '21 that makes keeping the roster intact doable. Rodgers gets moved, Love steps in.

If Rodgers is around in '22 this roster is a dumpster fire.

I assume the new guy would restructure


The current guy has been restructuring.

Not this year, likely because Rodgers hates the current guy.
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Post#368 » by ReasonablySober » Sun May 2, 2021 5:27 pm

The only thing Gute's done wrong thus far is not trade Rodgers before the draft. And it's really massive mistake.
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Re: 2021 Packers Off Season - Rodgers Wants Gute Canned 

Post#369 » by midranger » Sun May 2, 2021 5:28 pm

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midranger wrote:Key question IMO: who is easier to replace, Gute or Rodgers?

This is business, can’t make it personal. Sure Rodgers is acting like a total diva/may have some legit beefs, but he’s also an MVP QB (last year). Gute seems like a decent, middling GM. Can his ass and take 2 more swings at the Super Bowl, imo.

I know it upsets our Midwestern sensibilities, but look at it this way. Gute made a huge bet against Rodgers. Placed his whole stake on it. He lost spectacularly. Rodgers won. Lose a bet like that? Lose your seat at the table.


Gute made that bet with Murphy's blessing. If Murphy wants to stick his nose in stuff he's culpable too. Also, he could have been they guy making sure there was communication and planning with this, not making it a jab at Rodgers.
I like Gute as a talent evaluator, and firing him definitely goes against midwestern ways. I wouldn't fire him, and I like Rodgers more than most.
Suck up to Rodgers, extend his contract and talk him into staying. Then trade him in 2 years if we don't win a Super Bowl, and the kid will be ready to shine.

Maybe a top to bottom cleaning is in order.

We had the GOAT QB for his entire career and will likely finish with 1 SB championship. Extend it out to Favre and you’re talking almost 30 consecutive years of high level to elite QB play with 2 championships.

Maybe Midwest nice is why we keep GM clearly suffering from dementia and a brain dead coach in our employ 4 years too long.
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Re: 2021 Packers Off Season - Rodgers Wants Gute Canned 

Post#370 » by paulpressey25 » Sun May 2, 2021 5:29 pm

midranger wrote:Key question IMO: who is easier to replace, Gute or Rodgers?



Gute is easier to "replace" but the problem is that Gute has presided over two 13-3 teams that went the NFC title game each year. Is Gute a great GM? Don't know, but think he's proven he's not a bad GM.

And as this decision relates to Rodgers, think over these two things.

a) Did A-Rod do so well last year because the stadiums were empty? Let's face it, any distractions drive the guy crazy. Might have been a perfect storm last season, never to be repeated.

b) Can the Packers hire quality front office people if they simply can the GM whose team went 13-3 the past two years? Rodgers AND the organization would be viewed as a villain by a lot of people here and nationally if they just drop-kicked Gute to the curb.
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Re: 2021 Packers Off Season - Rodgers Wants Gute Canned 

Post#371 » by midranger » Sun May 2, 2021 5:33 pm

ReasonablySober wrote:The only thing Gute's done wrong thus far is not trade Rodgers before the draft. And it's really massive mistake.

I mean, this is true too.

If the situation is irreversible, you had to move him on Wednesday. It’s not like the FO didn’t know where this was heading. Maybe stop calling Rodgers bluff. He’s a petty SOB, who is just as like to retire or win MVP out of spite.
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Re: 2021 Packers Off Season - Rodgers Wants Gute Canned 

Post#372 » by stillgotgame » Sun May 2, 2021 5:38 pm

midranger wrote:
stillgotgame wrote:
midranger wrote:Key question IMO: who is easier to replace, Gute or Rodgers?

This is business, can’t make it personal. Sure Rodgers is acting like a total diva/may have some legit beefs, but he’s also an MVP QB (last year). Gute seems like a decent, middling GM. Can his ass and take 2 more swings at the Super Bowl, imo.

I know it upsets our Midwestern sensibilities, but look at it this way. Gute made a huge bet against Rodgers. Placed his whole stake on it. He lost spectacularly. Rodgers won. Lose a bet like that? Lose your seat at the table.


Gute made that bet with Murphy's blessing. If Murphy wants to stick his nose in stuff he's culpable too. Also, he could have been they guy making sure there was communication and planning with this, not making it a jab at Rodgers.
I like Gute as a talent evaluator, and firing him definitely goes against midwestern ways. I wouldn't fire him, and I like Rodgers more than most.
Suck up to Rodgers, extend his contract and talk him into staying. Then trade him in 2 years if we don't win a Super Bowl, and the kid will be ready to shine.

Maybe a top to bottom cleaning is in order.

We had the GOAT QB for his entire career and will likely finish with 1 SB championship. Extend it out to Favre and you’re talking almost 30 consecutive years of high level to elite QB play with 2 championships.

Maybe Midwest nice is why we keep GM clearly suffering from dementia and a brain dead coach in our employ 4 years too long.


We had a QB with GOAT physical ability, not sure about his leadership though. It takes both qualities.
Couldn't agree more that 2 SB from this level of QB play for so many years is pathetic.
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Re: 2021 Packers Off Season - Rodgers Wants Gute Canned 

Post#373 » by Reddeye » Sun May 2, 2021 5:39 pm

ReasonablySober wrote:The only thing Gute's done wrong thus far is not trade Rodgers before the draft. And it's really massive mistake.


That would have been a tight fit with the salary cap. Also they couldn't have taken any players back.
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Post#374 » by ReasonablySober » Sun May 2, 2021 5:40 pm

My hope at this point is Denver and Las Vegas engage in a trade war. From a professional standpoint I have no idea why Rodgers would want to play for either team, but :dontknow:. If you can get a great young player and picks, then move on. Take the cap hit NOW and enter the '22 season with clean books and a good roster.
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Re: 2021 Packers Off Season - Rodgers Wants Gute Canned 

Post#375 » by ReasonablySober » Sun May 2, 2021 5:42 pm

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ReasonablySober wrote:The only thing Gute's done wrong thus far is not trade Rodgers before the draft. And it's really massive mistake.


That would have been a tight fit with the salary cap. Also they couldn't have taken any players back.


They were gonna have a tight fit with or without Rodgers. As has been said, it's basically cap neutral.

With regards to players coming back, they could. It would just mean cuts elsewhere. There's fat to be trimmed if need be.
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Re: 2021 Packers Off Season - Rodgers Wants Gute Canned 

Post#376 » by WeekapaugGroove » Sun May 2, 2021 6:03 pm

As far as how ready Love is none of us have any idea. I'd assume with a year on the team he should at least understand the playbook so that helps. As far as wrecking him if he plays too early most of that comes when they play behind bad olines and start seeing ghosts. Packs Oline should be good enough even without Bak so I don't see that as a problem.

Sure you'd bring in a vet just in case but you'd absolutely give Love every chance to start. Really what is the best you could hope a guy like Bridgewater would do? 1st round playoff loss. I'd rather take my lumps with Love and let him play through mistakes.

Now if you had planned on Love earlier in the off-season you wouldn't have done as much all in type moves and would have planned on this being a transition year and handled the off-season differently.

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Re: 2021 Packers Off Season - Rodgers Wants Gute Canned 

Post#378 » by UWM_Brew_Buck » Sun May 2, 2021 6:16 pm

midranger wrote:Key question IMO: who is easier to replace, Gute or Rodgers?

This is business, can’t make it personal. Sure Rodgers is acting like a total diva/may have some legit beefs, but he’s also an MVP QB (last year). Gute seems like a decent, middling GM. Can his ass and take 2 more swings at the Super Bowl, imo.

I know it upsets our Midwestern sensibilities, but look at it this way. Gute made a huge bet against Rodgers. Placed his whole stake on it. He lost spectacularly. Rodgers won. Lose a bet like that? Lose your seat at the table.


The 49ers made a giant bet on Lance the Bears made a big bet on Fields/Trubisky. The Gute took a much smaller bet on a lotto ticket that still hasn’t had the numbers called yet. I hate how I see a lot of people acting like Love was a massive risk. He was a late FRP and a 4th rounder value. Of course you want a great player there but you would take a decent starter there all day. Heck you could easily argue Gary was a much larger risk for Gute to take.
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Re: 2021 Packers Off Season - Rodgers Wants Gute Canned 

Post#379 » by JayMKE » Sun May 2, 2021 6:26 pm

I don’t buy a guy with real talent has to sit for 2-3 years, some more learning on the job maybe but why would it ruin them assuming they stay healthy? I don’t think Rodgers would have been a scrub if he had started earlier. If Love is a talent like Favre or Rodgers I think it will be evident pretty quickly, if he’s not ready for risk of ruining him in year 2 then he’s gonna figure it out year 3? You either believe in the guy or you don’t

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Post#380 » by trwi7 » Sun May 2, 2021 6:44 pm

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