Jordan Love Thread - All Aboard the Love Train

[M-C-G]

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Not good but not awful either. If you average these metrics out that puts him about 20th in the NFL

I'd consider a composite ranking which typically puts you in "not starting next year" territory to be pretty awful, especially when all of these numbers are trending down further. 10 Opening Day starters from 2022 lost their jobs vs 2023.

Out of curiosity, how many were first year starting QBs?

[MVP2110]

20th is not awful. It's not good but it's hardly awful and certainly not a spot where I'd write Love off after 6 games

You see how you're backsliding from Love is good, to Love is average, to Love is not good, right?

"You guys ripping Love and saying he's trash are being pretty harsh. Entering today's game he was Andy Herman's 5th highest rated offensive player, PFF had him with an above average grade. Today he had a couple bad throws(especially the last one) but he also had some nice throws(the throw to Musgrave was beautiful). He hasn't been great but he's far from being awful this year"

This was my original post on Love. I've said several times that Love hasn't been good, but that people who are claiming he's been awful or people that are writing him off are going to too far of an extreme.

[WeekapaugGroove]

Some good stuff in there and lines up with what I've seen so far. One of his biggest knocks coming out was not being able to sync his footwork on his throws and we're seeing that evident now. He gets off his backfoot way too much and puts too much air under everything. In the first few games, he was standing in the pocket with poise and letting it rip with good structure, but I'm guessing the bad O-Line play/Injuries have contributed to him coming unglued recently.

This was almost the exact discussion I was having with a buddy during the game. He isn't trusting the OL and it is leading to poor mechanics and probably a little bit too much belief in his arm strength on the deep ball. If we can find a way to stabilize the OL I'll be watching to see if he can clean up his mechanics and be more successful downfield.

Yeah ever since Detroit ate their Oline Love hasn't looked comfortable. Thats concerning because you will have games like that in the NFL and you can't let it linger into future games.



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[Matches Malone]

Some good stuff in there and lines up with what I've seen so far. One of his biggest knocks coming out was not being able to sync his footwork on his throws and we're seeing that evident now. He gets off his backfoot way too much and puts too much air under everything. In the first few games, he was standing in the pocket with poise and letting it rip with good structure, but I'm guessing the bad O-Line play/Injuries have contributed to him coming unglued recently.

This was almost the exact discussion I was having with a buddy during the game. He isn't trusting the OL and it is leading to poor mechanics and probably a little bit too much belief in his arm strength on the deep ball. If we can find a way to stabilize the OL I'll be watching to see if he can clean up his mechanics and be more successful downfield.

Yeah ever since Detroit ate their Oline Love hasn't looked comfortable. Thats concerning because you will have games like that in the NFL and you can't let it linger into future games.

The glass-half-full side of me is hoping that this little stretch of getting uncomfortable in the pocket will help him, in the long run, to not be so erratic when he starts to feel pressure. That's when he abandons all mechanics and loses his accuracy not just on deep balls, but pretty much all levels of the field.

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Not good but not awful either. If you average these metrics out that puts him about 20th in the NFL

I'd consider a composite ranking which typically puts you in "not starting next year" territory to be pretty awful, especially when all of these numbers are trending down further. 10 Opening Day starters from 2022 lost their jobs vs 2023.

Out of curiosity, how many were first year starting QBs?

I believe Trey Lance was the only first time starter last year.

[WeekapaugGroove]

This was almost the exact discussion I was having with a buddy during the game. He isn't trusting the OL and it is leading to poor mechanics and probably a little bit too much belief in his arm strength on the deep ball. If we can find a way to stabilize the OL I'll be watching to see if he can clean up his mechanics and be more successful downfield.

Yeah ever since Detroit ate their Oline Love hasn't looked comfortable. Thats concerning because you will have games like that in the NFL and you can't let it linger into future games.

The glass-half-full side of me is hoping that this little stretch of getting uncomfortable in the pocket will help him, in the long run, to not be so erratic when he starts to feel pressure. That's when he abandons all mechanics and loses his accuracy not just on deep balls, but pretty much all levels of the field.

Yeah I think young QBs have to learn to get their **** together when things go on tilt. And it's the kind of thing you don't learn/experience sitting on the bench. So yeah if Love turns this around it will be a good learning experience.

Specifically, feeling a pass rush (and not seeing ghosts) is something that can only be developed in live game action.

Interesting that article mentioned getting out of his mechanics. One thing I noticed and mentioned after like week 2 is Love seems to drop to sidearm for no apparent reason. He should stop doing that. Mechanics are tricky things because you can practice to improve them but when the bullets start flying guys tend to fall back to their natural mechanics.

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[M-C-G]

I'd consider a composite ranking which typically puts you in "not starting next year" territory to be pretty awful, especially when all of these numbers are trending down further. 10 Opening Day starters from 2022 lost their jobs vs 2023.

Out of curiosity, how many were first year starting QBs?

I believe Trey Lance was the only first time starter last year.

I was suspecting it was very few but that also doesn’t mean Love isn’t in risk of being on that list next year.


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[skones]

Out of curiosity, how many were first year starting QBs?

I believe Trey Lance was the only first time starter last year.

I was suspecting it was very few but that also doesn’t mean Love isn’t in risk of being on that list next year.


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To clarify, Trey Lance was also the only first time opening day starter period last year, not just the only one that rolled off.

[CWoodfan]

Jordan Love may not be the answer at QB, but has he been given a fair shot?

His offensive line can't run block, at all. When it does run block, the run game has featured a RB with all the speed and elusiveness of John Kuhn. The running game is poor with Aaron Jones healthy. Without him, it is abysmal.

The pass blocking has been spotty at best. The LT is a 7th round year 2 player. Somehow the organization counted on a player who could not play due to injury the past 2 seasons to hold that position down. The "best" offensive lineman Jenkins has been injured and looks like a shell of himself. The C and RG are JAGs.

If anything, the receiving weapons are worse at present. Inexperienced and confused is putting it kindly. The "#1 WR", when he plays, looks like a glorified MVS. The rookie TE has thus far broken the same number of tackles as Tonyan last season. There is no flow, no continuity, just a lot of sputtering. There is no "go to" guy.

Oh, and Love's most experienced "weapon" is a 4th year H-Back who can't block and is a terrible football player.

Again, Love may not be any good, but he has absolutely been put in a position to fail rather than to succeed.

[Ayt]

Another outside PoV:
https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/whats-wrong-with-jordan-love-and-what-should-packers-do-from-here-at-quarterback/
There's some more analysis than usual for a national click-bait post. I thought it interesting

His foundational problem is major -- the absence of requisite accuracy.

Through Week 7, 15.5% of Love's throws (not counting spikes or throwaways) have been deemed "off target," which is the third-highest rate of off-target throws in football, trailing only Kenny Pickett and Deshaun Watson.

The Packers can cling to this dynamic with Love and his accuracy problems -- his main issue is simply doing too much, which is better than not possessing the ability to do enough. In other words, he's too often getting too cute or flashy with his footwork and delivery.

And these two throws aren't outliers. The arm-talent exhibitions from awkward platforms are the norm for Love, dating back to his collegiate days at Utah State. It's one thing to often sling the football in a Mahomesian style in the Mountain West. Love proved if you're naturally talented enough, it can be part of the reason you get drafted in the first round. Doing so on a regular basis in the NFL -- particularly when it's not needed -- is a dangerous game. And it's one of the leading causes in Love simply not hitting his intended targets at anywhere close to the rate he needs to for the Packers offense to operate well.

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Unfortunately, he had the exact same problem in college. He might not be fixable.

[skones]

Jordan Love may not be the answer at QB, but has he been given a fair shot?

His offensive line can't run block, at all. When it does run block, the run game has featured a RB with all the speed and elusiveness of John Kuhn. The running game is poor with Aaron Jones healthy. Without him, it is abysmal.

The pass blocking has been spotty at best. The LT is a 7th round year 2 player. Somehow the organization counted on a player who could not play due to injury the past 2 seasons to hold that position down. The "best" offensive lineman Jenkins has been injured and looks like a shell of himself. The C and RG are JAGs.

If anything, the receiving weapons are worse at present. Inexperienced and confused is putting it kindly. The "#1 WR", when he plays, looks like a glorified MVS. The rookie TE has thus far broken the same number of tackles as Tonyan last season. There is no flow, no continuity, just a lot of sputtering. There is no "go to" guy.

Oh, and Love's most experienced "weapon" is a 4th year H-Back who can't block and is a terrible football player.

Again, Love may not be any good, but he has absolutely been put in a position to fail rather than to succeed.

It's all fair, but at the end of the day, the glaring warts he has don't go away with better support around him. The inaccuracy, the inconsistent footwork, and indecisiveness in being late on his reads would remain. In a lot of these picks, he doesn't seem to be seeing the help at all which is allowing the off ball defender to easily just run under these deep lofted throws or jump the route.

We're seeing the Aaron Rodgers was average at best because his statistical production was average take a lot of Ls this year. It's the nuance of football, sometimes the play you don't make, the ball you don't throw, matters a great deal more. Ball security wins in the NFL and Rodgers is the single greatest QB of all time when it comes to that facet of the game (even if his risk aversion hurt us at times).

[skones]

FWIW, Benkert, a guy who's saying MLF isn't helping him and being hyper critical of the play of others on offense, has him ranked at 25th overall out of ALL QBs. While he thinks Love is getting a raw deal, it's pretty clear he also doesn't feel Love is this talented answer given these are the ONLY guys below him:

25. J. Love
26. M. Jones
27. Bagent
28. Ridder
29. Garoppolo
30. Carr
31. Tannehill
32. D. Watson

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Gee maybe it's not such an awesome plan to have a 1st round QB sit for 3 years

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[ReasonablySober]

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That's not at all what the article said.

The Packers are in a good spot. They've got Love at a minuscule cap number next season. If they like someone next April, they can take and sit him for a year. If Love turns the corner then they can extend him and trade the rookie.

[Kerb Hohl]

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That's not at all what the article said.

The Packers are in a good spot. They've got Love at a minuscule cap number next season. If they like someone next April, they can take and sit him for a year. If Love turns the corner then they can extend him and trade the rookie.

Maybe...but you always run the risk of him really turning the corner in week 8 next season and saying, "**** it, I am going to let it ride to free agency." I feel like that is why teams always want to have a guy signed for more than one year.

I obviously doubt that happens at this point, anyways, and agree otherwise.

[CWoodfan]

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Shhhh.

Putting 2020 1st and 4th round pick Jordan Love in the current predicament of having to prove himself as a first-year starter with the least experienced group of offensive players in the NFL is a genius move, it really is.

[stillgotgame]

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That's not at all what the article said.

The Packers are in a good spot. They've got Love at a minuscule cap number next season. If they like someone next April, they can take and sit him for a year. If Love turns the corner then they can extend him and trade the rookie.

This is a good article except for the premise we need to extend him this year. We can wait. He's cheap next year so we have lots of time. No reason to extend him til mid next year at the earliest. With Bakhtairi's contract potentially screwing us next year we won't have any real cap room until 2025 anyway.

[Ron Swanson]

Whether or not you think he sucks or if he still has a ton of potential, I don't know how you can watch this season and not come to the conclusion that the youth and inexperience of the skill guys, in addition to the O-line struggles, is making it difficult if not impossible to properly evaluate him going forward.

That's really the only worry for me, and that's what both the article and Bukowski on today's LOP pod are alluding to. The perceived strengths of the offense heading into the year (O-line, running game) have turned into weaknesses and that complicates everything. Is this a Trevor Lawrence situation or is this a Baker Mayfield situation?

[ReasonablySober]

Either way, though, it doesn't really matter. Love is going to be back next season with guys who are more experienced. If he looks good, they can extend him. If it's more of the same, he'll be gone. After two years worth of starts, you really should know what you have. Unless you're the Giants.