Game 3: Pack at Niners - 7:20 - NBC

Post #441 » by **MickeyDavis** » Mon Sep 27, 2021 2:24 pm

During the game, Davante Adams walked by Nijman in a break in the action. Nijman said to Adams: “Man, it’s just a blessing to play with you guys. I am really enjoying this.” How’d he do? Passable to well. Per PFF numbers, Nijman pass-blocked 34 times, allowed two pressures and no sacks, and blocked Bosa 31 times. Bosa got no sacks, one tackle for loss and seven tackles. A nice game, but not a dominant one. And Adams, for one, couldn’t stop smiling about Nijman afterward. “Great heart,” Adams said. “Proud of what he did out there.”

Treebeard · Post #442 » by **Treebeard** » Mon Sep 27, 2021 2:45 pm

A secondary point in the grand scheme of things, but so far, Bojorquez seems to be passing the eye-test for his portion of punting. We will see how he does in Lambeau in December (I know he punted pretty well in Buffalo, so I'm not too worried).

The downfield coverage and tackling still scares the beejeebers out of me though.

LikeABosh · Post #443 » by **LikeABosh** » Mon Sep 27, 2021 2:52 pm

Ron Swanson wrote:Take away the absolute brain fart on special teams and the 3 (maybe 4?) absolute horse **** penalty calls against them on their 2nd to last TD drive, and the defense probably only gives up 14 points in this one. Definitely a good sign of progress.

Kevin King didn't play...hmmm

Treebeard · Post #444 » by **Treebeard** » Mon Sep 27, 2021 2:53 pm

If anyone can find the closeup of Crosby's face as he's lining up for the game-winner, you can see a faint smile a couple of times. He's relishing the pressure and knows he's up to it.

Post #445 » by **MickeyDavis** » Mon Sep 27, 2021 2:53 pm

We can keep changing ST coaches but ultimately it's the ST players who suck. With reserves, being a good ST player is usually the reason a player is kept. We're keeping the wrong guys.

JimmyTheKid · Post #446 » by **JimmyTheKid** » Mon Sep 27, 2021 2:56 pm

midranger wrote:
skones wrote:Trade Rodgers immediately tho.

Meanwhile can't miss QB prospect Trevor Lawrence has 5 picks through 5 games. The other side of the NFL, the side where you don't have a franchise QB let alone an all-timer isn't fun.

Give Rodgers whatever he needs to stay. Periodt.

There were (are?) A LOT of people who didn’t feel this way. Would’ve kept Gute over Rodgers if (when?) it came down to it.

For the life of me, I’ll never understand it.

The fact that they still haven't traded Love for pennies on the dollar, and brought in a vet backup QB, is downright criminal. Last year wasn't enough "proof" that you completely misjudged and misplayed this thing? Again, betting against Aaron Rodgers, when you watch him throw footballs and lead offenses more than any other football mind on the planet, is so utterly embarrassing I don't even know how you could show your face to the NFL world again. Front offices from all over the country are pointing and laughing at Gutenkunst. Luckily for him, half of Packers Nation somehow embraced his brand of idiocy, and are just waiting for another down game to jump all over Rodgers.

JimmyTheKid · Post #447 » by **JimmyTheKid** » Mon Sep 27, 2021 2:58 pm

RRyder823 wrote:
RubberSoul wrote:
midranger wrote:There were (are?) A LOT of people who didn’t feel this way. Would’ve kept Gute over Rodgers if (when?) it came down to it.

For the life of me, I’ll never understand it.

I was totally wrong. I reverse my stance and say trade love if you have to I don’t care. I’ll ride this out. It’s easy to be anti Rodgers when no games are being played but after tonight I really hope we keep him long term and let him retire here.

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Not me. I'm happy he played well and hope he gets this team all the way to the SB before I trade him this offseason cause **** Rodgers

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Like I said after Rodgers showed up to Training Camp, the mental gymnastics some Packers fans will be performing this will be a fun little spectacle to witness.

Ron Swanson · Post #448 » by **Ron Swanson** » Mon Sep 27, 2021 3:12 pm

We get it, some of you guys just love to build up these straw mans about everyone hating Rodgers as opposed to the reality that most people still wanted him back, but were simply calling him out on his bull ****, and you know, not wanting a player (any player) to be making franchise-altering personnel decisions. The "Love sucks" premature victory lap dudes are far more self-righteous than the "**** Aaron" guys.

Post #449 » by **MickeyDavis** » Mon Sep 27, 2021 3:34 pm

There are a lot of comparisons made between Favre/Rodgers and Rodgers/Love. In the 2 years before drafting Rodgers Favre passed for 7,449 yards with TD/Int of 62/38. 38 picks. In the 2 years before drafting Love (MM's last/MLF's first), Rodgers threw for 8,444 yards with a TD/Int radio of 51/6. 6 picks. And after drafting Rodgers Favre had a 20/29 season followed by an 18/18 season. Since drafting Love Rodgers is 54/7. So yes if Rodgers starts throwing more picks than TD's, let's move on. 54/7

Rodgers is demanding "franchise altering personnel decisions".... Where does that come from? Unless I'm missing something he wants to be in the loop. So what? Giannis is kept in the loop. "But he liked Kumerow!!!". lol so what? "But he made us trade for Cobb!". So what? A 6th round pick and Houston ate half the salary. "We could have kept Winfee or ESB instead!". We did keep them. On the practice squad because no one else wanted them. Reggie Begelton! Cut and not signed by any other team. Funchess! Cut and not signed by any other team. Rodgers sucked against the Saints! Oh dear, yes he had a bad game. He's had them before, he'll have them again.

For those who can't wait to move on from Rodgers because of all the "drama" you obviously weren't around pre Favre.

I'm riding the Rodgers train as long as possible. Sure it would have been nice to have a calm offseason with Rodgers towing the line. I got tired of some of it myself. Love may or may not turn out to be a good QB. I'm not willing to roll those dice yet, not when Rodgers is still performing at an MVP level.

JimmyTheKid · Post #450 » by **JimmyTheKid** » Mon Sep 27, 2021 3:35 pm

Well I've never said "Love sucks" in my life. This has never been about Jordan Love, at least not to me. It was always about Aaron Rodgers being an open book with the organization. Telling them straight up "I want to play well into my 40's." And then watching the organization trade up for a 1st round QB 8 years before Rodgers is "well into his 40's." F***ing amateur hour.

JimmyTheKid · Post #451 » by **JimmyTheKid** » Mon Sep 27, 2021 5:10 pm

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LittleRooster · Post #452 » by **LittleRooster** » Mon Sep 27, 2021 5:15 pm

MickeyDavis wrote:There are a lot of comparisons made between Favre/Rodgers and Rodgers/Love. In the 2 years before drafting Rodgers Favre passed for 7,449 yards with TD/Int of 62/38. 38 picks. In the 2 years before drafting Love (MM's last/MLF's first), Rodgers threw for 8,444 yards with a TD/Int radio of 51/6. 6 picks. And after drafting Rodgers Favre had a 20/29 season followed by an 18/18 season. Since drafting Love Rodgers is 54/7. So yes if Rodgers starts throwing more picks than TD's, let's move on. 54/7

Rodgers is demanding "franchise altering personnel decisions".... Where does that come from? Unless I'm missing something he wants to be in the loop. So what? Giannis is kept in the loop. "But he liked Kumerow!!!". lol so what? "But he made us trade for Cobb!". So what? A 6th round pick and Houston ate half the salary. "We could have kept Winfee or ESB instead!". We did keep them. On the practice squad because no one else wanted them. Reggie Begelton! Cut and not signed by any other team. Funchess! Cut and not signed by any other team. Rodgers sucked against the Saints! Oh dear, yes he had a bad game. He's had them before, he'll have them again.

For those who can't wait to move on from Rodgers because of all the "drama" you obviously weren't around pre Favre.

I'm riding the Rodgers train as long as possible. Sure it would have been nice to have a calm offseason with Rodgers towing the line. I got tired of some of it myself. Love may or may not turn out to be a good QB. I'm not willing to roll those dice yet, not when Rodgers is still performing at an MVP level.

Well said. My thoughts exactly

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th87 · Post #453 » by **th87** » Mon Sep 27, 2021 5:17 pm

Ron Swanson wrote:We get it, some of you guys just love to build up these straw mans about everyone hating Rodgers as opposed to the reality that most people still wanted him back, but were simply calling him out on his bull ****, and you know, not wanting a player (any player) to be making franchise-altering personnel decisions. The "Love sucks" premature victory lap dudes are far more self-righteous than the "**** Aaron" guys.

Lol no. There were plenty of people wanting to trade him just out of spite/principle for daring to veer outside his purported lane. Some still do.

"Love sucks" is the strawman. Nice try. No one said that.

And "making franchise-altering personnel decisions" is a strawman of Rodgers' position.

Bernman · Post #454 » by **Bernman** » Mon Sep 27, 2021 5:22 pm

JimmyTheKid wrote:Well I've never said "Love sucks" in my life. This has never been about Jordan Love, at least not to me. It was always about Aaron Rodgers being an open book with the organization. Telling them straight up "I want to play well into my 40's." And then watching the organization trade up for a 1st round QB 8 years before Rodgers is "well into his 40's." F***ing amateur hour.

That's actually very professional. Amateur hour would be to not set yourself up for life after your star QB, as the Packers did 15 years ago to create the stability you enjoy, & the Patriots sort of had w/ Jimmy G. These weren't professional organizations?

Speaking of the Patriots, they probably regret now not re-popping on the qb transition plan a few years before Brady left too. And the Packers could just end up trading Love like the Pats did Jimmy G, if Rodgers is still firing on all cylinders, + Love doesn't appear near his level for the future.

It's ironic Rodgers playing well now would be used as ammo against the strategy to draft a QB 2 years ago. Because beforehand Rodgers was underachieving. He almost doubled his TD total the year after Love was drafted. Don't think it's a coincidence he's found some new motivation. Plays well w/ a chip on his shoulder. You don't need to have one for him.

And well into your 40's was not 8 years. It was five. Plans change too. He could be physically or mentally beaten by then. Brady is an anomaly. Manning broke down before he was 40. And then it didn't matter if he wanted to continue or not.

The only mistake the Packers made is with communication. And it's not neglecting to relay this was a possibility beforehand, because it may have not come to fruition. Afterward everything I said, and more, could have been explained to Rodgers. He'd still heavily control if he was here long-term, based on his play. The rest is Love's, but Rodgers himself 15 years ago set a high standard.

th87 · Post #455 » by **th87** » Mon Sep 27, 2021 5:28 pm

MickeyDavis wrote:There are a lot of comparisons made between Favre/Rodgers and Rodgers/Love. In the 2 years before drafting Rodgers Favre passed for 7,449 yards with TD/Int of 62/38. 38 picks. In the 2 years before drafting Love (MM's last/MLF's first), Rodgers threw for 8,444 yards with a TD/Int radio of 51/6. 6 picks. And after drafting Rodgers Favre had a 20/29 season followed by an 18/18 season. Since drafting Love Rodgers is 54/7. So yes if Rodgers starts throwing more picks than TD's, let's move on. 54/7

Rodgers is demanding "franchise altering personnel decisions".... Where does that come from? Unless I'm missing something he wants to be in the loop. So what? Giannis is kept in the loop. "But he liked Kumerow!!!". lol so what? "But he made us trade for Cobb!". So what? A 6th round pick and Houston ate half the salary. "We could have kept Winfee or ESB instead!". We did keep them. On the practice squad because no one else wanted them. Reggie Begelton! Cut and not signed by any other team. Funchess! Cut and not signed by any other team. Rodgers sucked against the Saints! Oh dear, yes he had a bad game. He's had them before, he'll have them again.

For those who can't wait to move on from Rodgers because of all the "drama" you obviously weren't around pre Favre.

I'm riding the Rodgers train as long as possible. Sure it would have been nice to have a calm offseason with Rodgers towing the line. I got tired of some of it myself. Love may or may not turn out to be a good QB. I'm not willing to roll those dice yet, not when Rodgers is still performing at an MVP level.

Perfectly stated. And to add, Brady makes these so-called "franchise altering personnel decisions" and immediately won a Super Bowl.

Kerb Hohl · Post #456 » by **Kerb Hohl** » Mon Sep 27, 2021 5:32 pm

th87 wrote:
MickeyDavis wrote:There are a lot of comparisons made between Favre/Rodgers and Rodgers/Love. In the 2 years before drafting Rodgers Favre passed for 7,449 yards with TD/Int of 62/38. 38 picks. In the 2 years before drafting Love (MM's last/MLF's first), Rodgers threw for 8,444 yards with a TD/Int radio of 51/6. 6 picks. And after drafting Rodgers Favre had a 20/29 season followed by an 18/18 season. Since drafting Love Rodgers is 54/7. So yes if Rodgers starts throwing more picks than TD's, let's move on. 54/7

Rodgers is demanding "franchise altering personnel decisions".... Where does that come from? Unless I'm missing something he wants to be in the loop. So what? Giannis is kept in the loop. "But he liked Kumerow!!!". lol so what? "But he made us trade for Cobb!". So what? A 6th round pick and Houston ate half the salary. "We could have kept Winfee or ESB instead!". We did keep them. On the practice squad because no one else wanted them. Reggie Begelton! Cut and not signed by any other team. Funchess! Cut and not signed by any other team. Rodgers sucked against the Saints! Oh dear, yes he had a bad game. He's had them before, he'll have them again.

For those who can't wait to move on from Rodgers because of all the "drama" you obviously weren't around pre Favre.

I'm riding the Rodgers train as long as possible. Sure it would have been nice to have a calm offseason with Rodgers towing the line. I got tired of some of it myself. Love may or may not turn out to be a good QB. I'm not willing to roll those dice yet, not when Rodgers is still performing at an MVP level.

Perfectly stated. And to add, Brady makes these so-called "franchise altering personnel decisions" and immediately won a Super Bowl.

Brady's franchise-altering decisions are:

1. Always taking $10-15 million less than he could get and therefore having an actual defense. Bonus points for not begging to acquire a WR for $8 million that he targets 1 time all season because he's washed up.

2. Recently choosing a team with a loaded defense that he had a chance for a SB with.

Plenty of this is luck that we had McCarthy who was OK for a few years + MLF who I think is great vs. Belichick who always will get everything out of their defense...but I think the selfless (ish) aspect of Brady was key to them keeping good defenses around.

Kerb Hohl · Post #457 » by **Kerb Hohl** » Mon Sep 27, 2021 5:38 pm

th87 wrote:
Ron Swanson wrote:We get it, some of you guys just love to build up these straw mans about everyone hating Rodgers as opposed to the reality that most people still wanted him back, but were simply calling him out on his bull ****, and you know, not wanting a player (any player) to be making franchise-altering personnel decisions. The "Love sucks" premature victory lap dudes are far more self-righteous than the "**** Aaron" guys.

Lol no. There were plenty of people wanting to trade him just out of spite/principle for daring to veer outside his purported lane. Some still do.

"Love sucks" is the strawman. Nice try. No one said that.

And "making franchise-altering personnel decisions" is a strawman of Rodgers' position.

I think it's possible to have a nuanced Rodgers take.

1. I think there is some combination of Rodgers holding out for another massive contract + not wanting to be a lame duck given the franchise trajectory where he played up some of this drama for what he really wanted.

2. I was annoyed with him and don't think it's a good precedent and therefore have concerns as he ages/long-term.

3. I didn't want him traded. This year he still gives us the best chance.

4. Next year I'd consider trading him and it has little to do with a vendetta against some of the things I don't like about him and everything to do with the fact that the transition begins where we truly may be better off with a $4 million QB vs. a $40 million QB given that we had gone all-in financially for 2020/2021 and the roster is going to degrade greatly in 2022 as Rodgers continues to age. Perfect world he probably has 2 more years where he can carry an otherwise decent roster (Packers) but it's possible that the rest of their roster will begin to turn into a dumpster/very young.

Ron Swanson · Post #458 » by **Ron Swanson** » Mon Sep 27, 2021 5:48 pm

Speaking of the Patriots, they probably regret now not re-popping on the qb transition plan a few years before Brady left too. And the Packers could just end up trading Love like the Pats did Jimmy G, if Rodgers is still firing on all cylinders, + Love doesn't appear near his level for the future.

This. This has literally been the only thing that ever matters here. So you draft Love and Rodgers is still awesome once Love's extension date comes up. Cool, trade him and get a draft pick and/or pick(s) and find another young QB to develop while Rodgers is still awesome. Who cares?

stillgotgame · Post #459 » by **stillgotgame** » Mon Sep 27, 2021 5:57 pm

Kerb Hohl wrote:
th87 wrote:
Ron Swanson wrote:We get it, some of you guys just love to build up these straw mans about everyone hating Rodgers as opposed to the reality that most people still wanted him back, but were simply calling him out on his bull ****, and you know, not wanting a player (any player) to be making franchise-altering personnel decisions. The "Love sucks" premature victory lap dudes are far more self-righteous than the "**** Aaron" guys.

Lol no. There were plenty of people wanting to trade him just out of spite/principle for daring to veer outside his purported lane. Some still do.

"Love sucks" is the strawman. Nice try. No one said that.

And "making franchise-altering personnel decisions" is a strawman of Rodgers' position.

I think it's possible to have a nuanced Rodgers take.

1. I think there is some combination of Rodgers holding out for another massive contract + not wanting to be a lame duck given the franchise trajectory where he played up some of this drama for what he really wanted.

2. I was annoyed with him and don't think it's a good precedent and therefore have concerns as he ages/long-term.

3. I didn't want him traded. This year he still gives us the best chance.

4. Next year I'd consider trading him and it has little to do with a vendetta against some of the things I don't like about him and everything to do with the fact that the transition begins where we truly may be better off with a $4 million QB vs. a $40 million QB given that we had gone all-in financially for 2020/2021 and the roster is going to degrade greatly in 2022 as Rodgers continues to age. Perfect world he probably has 2 more years where he can carry an otherwise decent roster (Packers) but it's possible that the rest of their roster will begin to turn into a dumpster/very young.

Rodgers and Tae aren’t falling off anytime soon. Gute’s job as GM is to figure out the cap space issue. There’s lots of easy money to free up, so I’m sure he can do it.

Kerb Hohl · Post #460 » by **Kerb Hohl** » Mon Sep 27, 2021 6:05 pm

stillgotgame wrote:
Kerb Hohl wrote:
th87 wrote:
Lol no. There were plenty of people wanting to trade him just out of spite/principle for daring to veer outside his purported lane. Some still do.

"Love sucks" is the strawman. Nice try. No one said that.

And "making franchise-altering personnel decisions" is a strawman of Rodgers' position.

I think it's possible to have a nuanced Rodgers take.

1. I think there is some combination of Rodgers holding out for another massive contract + not wanting to be a lame duck given the franchise trajectory where he played up some of this drama for what he really wanted.

2. I was annoyed with him and don't think it's a good precedent and therefore have concerns as he ages/long-term.

3. I didn't want him traded. This year he still gives us the best chance.

4. Next year I'd consider trading him and it has little to do with a vendetta against some of the things I don't like about him and everything to do with the fact that the transition begins where we truly may be better off with a $4 million QB vs. a $40 million QB given that we had gone all-in financially for 2020/2021 and the roster is going to degrade greatly in 2022 as Rodgers continues to age. Perfect world he probably has 2 more years where he can carry an otherwise decent roster (Packers) but it's possible that the rest of their roster will begin to turn into a dumpster/very young.

Rodgers and Tae aren’t falling off anytime soon. Gute’s job as GM is to figure out the cap space issue. There’s lots of easy money to free up, so I’m sure he can do it.

That option is on the table still, yes.

That said, I understand just putting our hat in the ring every year for another 5 a la the Saints at the end of Brees' career and we still may luck out. The comparison falls off a bit as the Saints had a borderline elite defense in his final years though I think Rodgers will age better than Brees, but you get the idea.

I think unless we draft basically GOAT and keep Rodgers, even though LaFleur is great, we've got 3-5 more 41-28 playoff losses in our future.