Jordan Love Thread - All Aboard the Love Train

[coolhandluke121]

It was a great plan that isn't working out yet.

Yeah we'll just have to agree to disagree on that. I hope Love ends up great but I'll never agree with the strategy to make that pick that year.

I'm not totally out on Love. I think some of his struggles right now are young QB ****. Part of my optimism is I don't think sitting does much for development, they need the live game experience. But anyone who's a strong believer in that sitting development plan should probably be really down on him.

Because frankly if this is the good version from developing for 3 years then he must have been so bad coming in he shouldn't have been a first rounder.

I mean, he kind of was. Not counting weird injury situations, he might be the most unbelievable 1st-round QB picked in my lifetime relative to performance in his last season of college. And the inaccuracy has been a constant, not to mention ridiculous inconsistent mechanics that are predictive of continued inaccuracy.

Not trading Rodgers in 2022 is an underrated part of this poop show though. Could have seen Love behind a much more effective line and with a younger, healthier Jones. Not to mention the picks they would have gotten for Rodgers. So, while I hated the pick all along, I hated the fact that they didn't trade Rodgers when it was clearly time to start rebuilding even more.

[WeekapaugGroove]

It was a great plan that isn't working out yet.

Yeah we'll just have to agree to disagree on that. I hope Love ends up great but I'll never agree with the strategy to make that pick that year.

I'm not totally out on Love. I think some of his struggles right now are young QB ****. Part of my optimism is I don't think sitting does much for development, they need the live game experience. But anyone who's a strong believer in that sitting development plan should probably be really down on him.

Because frankly if this is the good version from developing for 3 years then he must have been so bad coming in he shouldn't have been a first rounder.

I mean, he kind of was. Not counting weird injury situations, he might be the most unbelievable 1st-round QB picked in my lifetime relative to performance in his last season of college. And the inaccuracy has been a constant, not to mention ridiculous inconsistent mechanics that are predictive of continued inaccuracy.

Not trading Rodgers in 2022 is an underrated part of this poop show though. Could have seen Love behind a much more effective line and with a younger, healthier Jones. Not to mention the picks they would have gotten for Rodgers. So, while I hated the pick all along, I hated the fact that they didn't trade Rodgers when it was clearly time to start rebuilding even more.

I was against the Love pick at the time but once it was made I was in favor of trading Rodgers in 21 when he asked out. Figured Gute made his big bet so he should actually follow through and live with it.

A big part of the reason for the current state of the roster is the dead cap from going all in and from Rodgers contract. It was right to go all in and they were always going to pay for it and have a rough year or two post Aaron and win now. If they had just approached it like a normal franchise and not gotten too cute they could have just signed some stop gap QB for the lean years, been bad and drafted their next QB with a tol pick and then had that guy on a rookie contract as the cap situation got better. Oh and that wouldn't have started an ugly public war with the best player in your franchises history.

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[coolhandluke121]

Not trading Rodgers in 2022 is an underrated part of this poop show though. Could have seen Love behind a much more effective line and with a younger, healthier Jones. Not to mention the picks they would have gotten for Rodgers. So, while I hated the pick all along, I hated the fact that they didn't trade Rodgers when it was clearly time to start rebuilding even more.

I was against the Love pick at the time but once it was made I was in favor of trading Rodgers in 21 when he asked out. Figured Gute made his big bet so he should actually follow through and live with it.

Yep, that's even worse. I was most pissed about the 2022 contract, but the 2021 trade opportunity was even more consequential. Would have been an incredible haul and a much cleaner cap. Rodgers wanted out, Bakh had just torn his ACL, the team was a living Groundhog Day movie in the playoffs, and Rodgers frankly deserved a lot of blame in the TB game, foreshadowing his struggles in the 2021-22 playoffs and the entire 2022 season. He was forcing the ball to Adams way too much and was showing signs of completely losing his sack avoision ability, which was a key part of his game.

[MoMM]

It's easy to say it, but in reality no GM would trade HoF/MVP Rodgers and bet in a rookie QB.

[WeekapaugGroove]

It's easy to say it, but in reality no GM would trade HoF/MVP Rodgers and bet in a rookie QB.

How many would use a 1st round pick on a QB when they're re in full on win now mode and your franchise QB is notoriously thin skinned and petty?

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[MoMM]

It's easy to say it, but in reality no GM would trade HoF/MVP Rodgers and bet in a rookie QB.

How many would use a 1st round pick on a QB when they're re in full on win now mode and your franchise QB is notoriously thin skinned and petty?

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That was a dumb move, but he also knows that trading Rodgers after a deep playoff run to start a rookie QB, if that doesn't pan out, he would be blamed forever and wouldn't be able to get a job anywhere else.

[CWoodfan]

It's easy to say it, but in reality no GM would trade HoF/MVP Rodgers and bet in a rookie QB.

You may well be right about the bolded part above.

Then again, I'd wager that 31 of 32 GMs would not have used their 2020 1st and 4th round picks on a "project" QB with Rodgers already on roster and under contract after coming off a 13 win, NFC Championship game appearance in 20`9.

I'd say Gutey showed pretty big cajones (if not necessary any wisdom) when picked Love.

Too bad those cajones shrivelled up by 2022 when he not only failed to trade Rodgers for the haul Seattle got from Denver, but also gave him that unnecessary contract extension.

[coolhandluke121]

It's easy to say it, but in reality no GM would trade HoF/MVP Rodgers and bet in a rookie QB.

It would be extraordinarily rare, but the Packers had a perfect storm. Rodgers wanted out, and the franchise had nowhere to go but down because they had already mortgaged so much of their future trying (unsuccessfully) to build a championship team around him. Rodgers had alienated a lot of fans and had a history of playing well below expectations in playoff elimination games. There was a Groundhog Day feeling to the whole franchise and fanbase. Finally, and this is a massively underrated part of the equation, there were lots of subtle signs that Rodgers was benefiting immensely from a great supporting cast (Adams, Jones, top-3 OL in the league) in a way that was never the case when he actually was carrying the offense and deserved to be the highest-paid QB in the game IMO.

[Kerb Hohl]

Would it be cool if they perfectly timed the trade, going against the grain of conventional fandom losing their **** over the GM trading a QB while he was still an MVP? Sure.

However, I'm not sure the Broncos would've been bad with Rodgers, so the acquired picks would be worse. I'm not sure Love is that guy so we'd be sitting in the same spot with Love, maybe ready to move off of him already. We might have accidentally fallen into an extra tank year this year and thankfully aren't spending a ton of money this year. The Seahawks are set up with some very nice talent but still haven't landed a long-term QB (don't get me wrong, I would still like to trade places).

;tldr, we traded one more year to "go for it" in 2022 for an extra year of rebuilding. If this team is going is going to turn itself into a contender over the next 5 years or whatever, those extra picks would be nice but aren't going to change everything. If the team is going for 5 years of mediocrity/trash, then who cares and even though in hindsight it failed, nobody would complain about another year (or more) with a HOF QB and a seat at the table in 2022.

[M-C-G]

It's easy to say it, but in reality no GM would trade HoF/MVP Rodgers and bet in a rookie QB.

I'd wager that 31 of 32 GMs would not have used their 2020 1st and 4th round picks on a "project" QB .

Every year 'project' QBs are taking, often early. BUT holy **** I had know idea we used a 4th round pick in the deal. That changes EVERYTHING! Mahomes was a project QB. Josh Allen was a project QB. Lamar Jackson was a project QB. Trey Lance was a project QB. Anthony Richardson was a project QB. And with the exception of Lamar, all the teams that drafted those guys gave up more than we did or used higher capital. Literally happens every year.

[Ayt]

My only real issue with Love at this point is the bad accuracy on mid to deep throws. That was my biggest concern coming out of college, and if he still hasn't fixed it, he may be broken beyond repair.

[coolhandluke121]

What's the difference between Jordan Love and Adrian Martinez at this point? Martinez could have easily done the all the same stuff Love did his sophomore year at Utah State with the same supporting cast against the same bottom 10% strength of schedule.

[humanrefutation]

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[MVP2110]

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Justus & Andy Herman discussed this on their latest pod. They believe Watson was supposed to run a route but obviously didn't. Separately I've heard some things about Watson that he's not exactly the brightest bulb and by far leads the team in wrong routes run.

[Ron Swanson]

It seems obvious that was a designed screen that somebody really **** up. I mean, there's 3 guys trying to block there lol.

[ReasonablySober]

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Justus & Andy Herman discussed this on their latest pod. They believe Watson was supposed to run a route but obviously didn't. Separately I've heard some things about Watson that he's not exactly the brightest bulb and by far leads the team in wrong routes run.

Literally the only person who didn't know it was supposed to be a run was the QB. Dillon tries to take the ball on a handoff, the line fires out to run block, and so do the receivers.

[MVP2110]

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Justus & Andy Herman discussed this on their latest pod. They believe Watson was supposed to run a route but obviously didn't. Separately I've heard some things about Watson that he's not exactly the brightest bulb and by far leads the team in wrong routes run.

Literally the only person who didn't know it was supposed to be a run was the QB. Dillon tries to take the ball on a handoff, the line fires out to run block, and so do the receivers.

It's a RPO

[ReasonablySober]

Justus & Andy Herman discussed this on their latest pod. They believe Watson was supposed to run a route but obviously didn't. Separately I've heard some things about Watson that he's not exactly the brightest bulb and by far leads the team in wrong routes run.

Literally the only person who didn't know it was supposed to be a run was the QB. Dillon tries to take the ball on a handoff, the line fires out to run block, and so do the receivers.

It's a RPO

Where everyone thinks it's a run except the QB.

[MVP2110]

Literally the only person who didn't know it was supposed to be a run was the QB. Dillon tries to take the ball on a handoff, the line fires out to run block, and so do the receivers.

It's a RPO

Where everyone thinks it's a run except the QB.

Literally that's how RPOs are run. Everyone plays them as a run play except for the QB and 1 WR

[ReasonablySober]

It's a RPO

Where everyone thinks it's a run except the QB.

Literally that's how RPOs are run. Everyone plays them as a run play except for the QB and 1 WR

EXCEPT THERE WAS NO ONE RUNNING A ROUTE.