Game 16: Packers at Vikings - 12/29/24 - 3:25 - FOX

[trwi7]

This game knocked my expectations down to earth.

This team is young and plays young. They have a quarter or two where they can beat any team in the league. Yet they don't have the consistency to do it for 60 minutes.

Sure with the talent they have they can potentially win a couple of playoff games, but they still have some work to do. They aren't quite there yet.

My expectations were shattered when they lost to Detroit the 2nd time on TNF

Youngest team in the league, playing young, doing stupid stuff. It is expected but frustrating.

And seeing how Gary and Clark are stealing $$$ pisses me off. No pass rush, no chance.

Hopefully the Wild Card is entertaining. Fully expecting the Eagles to wash the Pack

Jaire is the one stealing money at this point.

[MVP2110]

The amount of MLF bashing after losses is incredible. Were there a few questionable calls? Sure. But every single coach has those. To those who say he can't win big games because he's lost 3 games by less than a FG this year seem to forget that he went to Detroit last year, beat Kansas City, and blew the doors off in Dallas. The week after he nearly had the youngest team in the NFL knock off the 49ers if Carlson doesn't miss a makeable fg. MLF has taken the youngest team in the NFL to the playoffs in b2b seasons, something that hadn't been done in decades even once and he's done it twice. I get fans want immediate results but last years Packers going 9-8 was the best mark in decades for a team as young as they were, winning 12 games with a team this young is absurd and unheard of. Of course young teams will make some mistakes, that's what young teams do, but MLF(and Gute) deserve an insane amount of praise for what they have built here and how they've retooled after the all in era that preceeded this. We are incredibly lucky to have MLF

[Ron Swanson]

I mean, their best wins are against the Rams who weren’t at full strength and the disappointing Texans. The schedule has totally been in their favor.

By what definition? They’ve literally had the 4th hardest schedule in the league.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/fpi/_/sort/fpi.avgsosrank/dir/asc

By the definition of when they’ve played teams. Yes, some of the teams on the schedule are considered strong opponents, but at the time the game was actually played it was favorable to the Packers.

Seven of their eleven wins are against teams with losing records. The Rams were 1-3 when we beat them and it was almost a home game in LA. Miami was at home in the cold. So really the Houston and Seattle games were really the only “pick ‘em” games they came out on top.

What are these excuses even? So just asterisk this loss then cuz the Vikings got us at the "right time" with Watson and 3 starters on defense all out with injury? We had to go 2-0 (technically 3-0) with our backup QB, had to play 3-game in 11-days, had to play on a dirt field in Brazil, etc., etc. We're now #2 in SoS and #4 in SRS. Trying to make the argument that we've had a favorable schedule is absurd.

[jimmybones]

Can someone explain to me how Minnesota only has two losses? If you didn't know their record and watched them play, would you ever guess they are a 2 loss team? They are balanced but nothing about them is overly impressive.

Unfortunately, if you watched us play you'd think we're a young 500 ish team. Some talent, inconsistent, lots of stupid mistakes. At least you have the optimism of improvement due to youth.

We have a punchers chance if Love has a god mode stretch in him and we get a lucky run of health, but I'm not super optimistic about either. Don't really care who we play to be honest

[CWoodfan]

Can someone explain to me how Minnesota only has two losses? If you didn't know their record and watched them play, would you ever guess they are a 2 loss team? They are balanced but nothing about them is overly impressive.

Unfortunately, if you watched us play you'd think we're a young 500 ish team. Some talent, inconsistent, lots of stupid mistakes. At least you have the optimism of improvement due to youth.

We have a punchers chance if Love has a god mode stretch in him and we get a lucky run of health, but I'm not super optimistic about either. Don't really care who we play to be honest

The best WR in the NFL in Jefferson. A very good second WR in Addison. (Weird, I think they were both 1st round picks). An excellent TE in Hockenson and a very good RB in Aaron Jones. Darnold playing out of his mind, under the tutelage of O'Connell. A decent OLine.

On defense, does anyone get more out of his talent than Brian Flores? The Vikes D is now fourth overall in scoring defense.

I do not like the Vikings, but I do acknowledge that they are well-coached, have a very talented offense, and get more out of their defensive talent than just about any other team.

Go Lions.

[Mags FTW]

Kraft (?) wide open for 5 yards with room to run. Gotta take what they give you, man.

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[MickeyDavis]

Love has had a good year but didn't make a big jump from year 1 to year 2. Or any jump really. He has the same number of INT's in 3 fewer games. He's QB rating is 97.3, last year it was 96.1 His sacks are down from 30 to 14, which is good. Passing yards per game down.

Rodgers made a nice jump from his first and second year as a starter. 400 more passing yards, 6 fewer picks. Rating went from 93.8 to 103.2.

Like to see more improvement from Love next year. Can't keep missing open receivers. And have to make better reads.

[MVP2110]

Love has had a good year but didn't make a big jump from year 1 to year 2. Or any jump really. He has the same number of INT's in 3 fewer games. He's QB rating is 97.3, last year it was 96.1 His sacks are down from 30 to 14, which is good. Passing yards per game down.

Rodgers made a nice jump from his first and second year as a starter. 400 more passing yards, 6 fewer picks. Rating went from 93.8 to 103.2.

Like to see more improvement from Love next year. Can't keep missing open receivers. And have to make better reads.

He went from very good to very good. Last season he was 4th in adjusted EPA/Play, this year he's 6th. Not sure of the new ranks yet but our passing offense coming into this week was 3rd in DVOA in the NFL which is up from last season. He might not be on the Mahomes/Allen/Lamar tier of QB but he's definitely on that 2nd tier right now

[jimmybones]

Love has had a good year but didn't make a big jump from year 1 to year 2. Or any jump really. He has the same number of INT's in 3 fewer games. He's QB rating is 97.3, last year it was 96.1 His sacks are down from 30 to 14, which is good. Passing yards per game down.

Rodgers made a nice jump from his first and second year as a starter. 400 more passing yards, 6 fewer picks. Rating went from 93.8 to 103.2.

Like to see more improvement from Love next year. Can't keep missing open receivers. And have to make better reads.

Last years second half of the season run by Love was always going to be tough to replicate but it did give you a glimpse of best player in the league potential, so even being really good feels like a let down in that context, to me.

[WeekapaugGroove]

Love has had a good year but didn't make a big jump from year 1 to year 2. Or any jump really. He has the same number of INT's in 3 fewer games. He's QB rating is 97.3, last year it was 96.1 His sacks are down from 30 to 14, which is good. Passing yards per game down.

Rodgers made a nice jump from his first and second year as a starter. 400 more passing yards, 6 fewer picks. Rating went from 93.8 to 103.2.

Like to see more improvement from Love next year. Can't keep missing open receivers. And have to make better reads.

He went from very good to very good. Last season he was 4th in adjusted EPA/Play, this year he's 6th. Not sure of the new ranks yet but our passing offense coming into this week was 3rd in DVOA in the NFL which is up from last season. He might not be on the Mahomes/Allen/Lamar tier of QB but he's definitely on that 2nd tier right now

Yeah it's possible/probable that Love is a good but flawed QB.

Not every Packer QB will either suck or be a 1st ballot HOF'r.

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[BUCKnation]

How do you not cover that lol.

All 3 play action plays they looked absolutely flabbergasted that a team could pass and with those they got 2 first downs and 10 yard gain to make it 3rd and 2.

They ran the same bootleg, play action on all 3 plays and the guy was wide open every time

[BUCKnation]

I think it's understated how much missing Watson effected the offense. Having a true deep threat opens up so much in an offense that otherwise isn't there. Similar to how our offense performed when we had MVS vs when he was hurt(we scored significantly more when MVS played). When there isn't a deep threat available it becomes much easier for the defense to clog up the offense. There was a lot that Green Bay could have done to win this game(Jacobs fumble, Reed drop, etc.) but nobody seems to discuss Watson being out.

Yeah, offense always looks way better with him available. Hopefully, it was more of a precautionary absence.

[Ron Swanson]

You can still hold MLF in high esteem while also being thoroughly annoyed that O'Connell has absolutely punked him in both meetings this season. I know I am.

[PintSizedBox10]

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[MVP2110]

You can still hold MLF in high esteem while also being thoroughly annoyed that O'Connell has absolutely punked him in both meetings this season. I know I am.

Knocking him for his initial gameplan last night is totally fair. It's more the big picture stuff that people say that annoy me. It's just the generic the team lost so the coach must suck

[MVP2110]

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I've been very impressed with Hafley this season. There are very few players I actually trust on this defense and the fact he has us as a top ten defense is wild. I'm hoping we can add some guys in the offseason because our defense right now just has too many holes

[FAH1223]

This game knocked my expectations down to earth.

This team is young and plays young. They have a quarter or two where they can beat any team in the league. Yet they don't have the consistency to do it for 60 minutes.

Sure with the talent they have they can potentially win a couple of playoff games, but they still have some work to do. They aren't quite there yet.

My expectations were shattered when they lost to Detroit the 2nd time on TNF

Youngest team in the league, playing young, doing stupid stuff. It is expected but frustrating.

And seeing how Gary and Clark are stealing $$$ pisses me off. No pass rush, no chance.

Hopefully the Wild Card is entertaining. Fully expecting the Eagles to wash the Pack

Jaire is the one stealing money at this point.

He’s legit hurt this year. But yes, that’s another one that I’m mad about.

But when he’s on the field, he’s still excellent.

But he can’t play 3 games in a row.

I hate it so much

[Kerb Hohl]

There’s blame all over the place…I do love Love and think he can be elite…but I will say that his heater down the stretch last year in some cases felt like Eli Manning or some flash in the pan in terms of being *that* good.

So many balls I can remember slightly off the mark that worked out for him. Some of the endzone balls in the KC and Bears games come to mind that were away from the defender but also not in a great spot, it just worked out.

Now the balls that are a little off are not working out. That’s the razor thin margin.

[MVP2110]

Woof Edgerrin Cooper was awesome in the run game yesterday but in coverage he gave up 7 receptions on 7 targets for 91 yards and a TD.

Bullard gave up 6/6 for 72 yards and 2 TD

Numbers according to PFF

Tough day in coverage for the rookies

[MVP2110]

Other notables in coverage

Nixon 5/8 for 55 yards
Valentine 5/5 for 43 yards
E. Wilson 4/5 for 60 yards
Mckinney 3/4 for 40 yards
Stokes 1/2 for 4 yards