Packers 2022 Offseason Thread - Adams Traded to Raiders for 2022 1st and 2nd Rd Picks
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Think it comes down to what you can get for Rodgers. If Rodgers doesnt decline, we will have a punchers shot at an Owl next year. If we trade him, I highly doubt we are a contender for 4+ years- Give Love a year and then wait 3+ years for when his replacement in is in year 3.
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I don't think it really matters what they can get for Rodgers. After this recent public declaration they want him back it's not like they are going to shop him around if he wants to come back. Plus Aaron needs to be a willing participant in a trade. He needs to be willing to sign an extension with his new team for that team to be willing to trade anything ot significance for him.MartyConlonOnTheRun wrote:Think it comes down to what you can get for Rodgers. If Rodgers doesnt decline, we will have a punchers shot at an Owl next year. If we trade him, I highly doubt we are a contender for 4+ years- Give Love a year and then wait 3+ years for when his replacement in is in year 3.
Appears the Packers have made their decision and we're just waiting on Aaron to make his.
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Profound23 wrote:Iheartfootball wrote:I want to win. I remember the 80s, those teams were the laughing stock. And based on free agency and drafting well you can turn a team around quickly, but again, I have PTSD from that era.
But Rodgers, *for me*, is just so hard to root for. Entitled, pompous, but great at his craft. Separate the man from his art? Is that how it works?
I guess you go all in again if you're in the front office, otherwise, you may all lose your jobs if Love doesn't pan out and the rebuild turns into a treadmill. And as a fan, at this moment, I'm okay with either option. 1) going all-in again or 2) waiting it out, doing it the right way, whatever that is.
This isn't an easy decision. I'm glad I'm not Gute.
I agree that it is a tough decision and he will be criticized either way.
-You trade away a HOF 4x MVP (recently 2x MVP in back to back seasons) and don't hit on the picks, the team could be bad for 10+ years
-However, if you sign Rodgers/Adams and push all these contracts into the future you get 2-3 years of "going for it" and if you come up short this team will be bad for an even longer time.
That's 2-3 more years of a potentially solid income, plus 2 more years to rebuild, and if that doesn't pan out, a comfortable retirement (or assistant GM role until getting another GM job).
Not a bad gig.
For us, we get 2-3 more shots at an SB, and then pick up an actually productive hobby for Sundays in 2025 if it doesn't work out.
Doesn't seem so bad.
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th87 wrote:Profound23 wrote:Iheartfootball wrote:I want to win. I remember the 80s, those teams were the laughing stock. And based on free agency and drafting well you can turn a team around quickly, but again, I have PTSD from that era.
But Rodgers, *for me*, is just so hard to root for. Entitled, pompous, but great at his craft. Separate the man from his art? Is that how it works?
I guess you go all in again if you're in the front office, otherwise, you may all lose your jobs if Love doesn't pan out and the rebuild turns into a treadmill. And as a fan, at this moment, I'm okay with either option. 1) going all-in again or 2) waiting it out, doing it the right way, whatever that is.
This isn't an easy decision. I'm glad I'm not Gute.
I agree that it is a tough decision and he will be criticized either way.
-You trade away a HOF 4x MVP (recently 2x MVP in back to back seasons) and don't hit on the picks, the team could be bad for 10+ years
-However, if you sign Rodgers/Adams and push all these contracts into the future you get 2-3 years of "going for it" and if you come up short this team will be bad for an even longer time.
That's 2-3 more years of a potentially solid income, plus 2 more years to rebuild, and if that doesn't pan out, a comfortable retirement (or assistant GM role until getting another GM job).
Not a bad gig.
For us, we get 2-3 more shots at an SB, and then pick up an actually productive hobby for Sundays in 2025 if it doesn't work out.
Doesn't seem so bad.
I mean this with the utmost respect cause I think you're saying it tongue n cheek but God damn do I hate fans that are gonna legitimately think like that
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Even with allowing for my wifty understanding of Cap economics, going forward, I do not see a realistic way of fielding a team as good as the last two seasons. This teams high-water mark was during this last regular season. The SB window has closed for now. Some of the "just get into the playoffs and anything can happen" talk makes me think of Kohl's Bucks (Yeah, I know BB and Football aren't very comparable, but that's the vibe I'm feeling and I don't see that as a workable outcome - even in this crappy conference).
Blow the roster up and build for the seasons after this next one.
Blow the roster up and build for the seasons after this next one.
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We had some injuries that impacted, obviously that most of time it happens, but things could be different with David, Jenkins, MVS and an OK ST Team.
Why rebuild now if we still have Rodgers? We can rebuild in 3 years and it's basically the same thing, we can even trade Adams at that point. We still have some shots, so take them and think about future later on. It's not like we are an average team qualifying in 8th for the NBA playoffs, we had the best record in the NFL.
Why rebuild now if we still have Rodgers? We can rebuild in 3 years and it's basically the same thing, we can even trade Adams at that point. We still have some shots, so take them and think about future later on. It's not like we are an average team qualifying in 8th for the NBA playoffs, we had the best record in the NFL.
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Matches Malone wrote:Feels like just delaying the inevitable. Move heaven and earth for QB1 just for another playoff choke.
I get they don't want to bottom out, but won't this just create more problems for the franchise down the road? We could be maximizing assets to rebuild and put a plan in place around Love and if he flames out, you draft a new guy in 2023.
I realize it could all backfire, draft picks are a crapshoot and you'd be stepping into the unknown, but what's the alternative? Hope that your 38-year-old QB, sucking up all the cap room, will suddenly get over the hump?
Its not all on rodgers yes he chocked as you say and yes hes our highest paid player at the most important position but personally i think our HC sh..himself again on his horrendous O game plan.I guess you can blame both equally
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You're not getting "2-3 more years" of going "all-in" because those were the last.....2-3 years that we just had. You can't keep kicking the can down the road, and this is why smart organizations are constantly drafting replacements for their team's cornerstone players early, and knowing when to move on from aging veterans at the right time. You're probably looking at a 1-year window at this point given all the cap gymnastics and restructures you'd have to pull off.
I still think you ideally can work out an extension with Rodgers to lower his cap hit and minimize the exodus of good players, but seems so many people still don't understand the reality of a hard-cap sport. Get Rodgers and Davante back on extensions? Great, but then don't bitch at the front office for not fielding a great defense or secondary skill position players when those guys are making a combined $200 million over the next few years, and we can't afford extensions for Jaire, Jenkins, and/or Gary, while guys like DeVondre Campbell, Rasul Douglas, Adrian Amos, the Smith Bros., Tonyan, MVS, Turner, etc. are all let go or cut for cap reasons.
I still think you ideally can work out an extension with Rodgers to lower his cap hit and minimize the exodus of good players, but seems so many people still don't understand the reality of a hard-cap sport. Get Rodgers and Davante back on extensions? Great, but then don't bitch at the front office for not fielding a great defense or secondary skill position players when those guys are making a combined $200 million over the next few years, and we can't afford extensions for Jaire, Jenkins, and/or Gary, while guys like DeVondre Campbell, Rasul Douglas, Adrian Amos, the Smith Bros., Tonyan, MVS, Turner, etc. are all let go or cut for cap reasons.
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I'm at the point where my biggest wish is this is the last time we do this song and dance with Rodgers. If he stays then make it known that he's here until he decides to hang them up in a few years. This nonsense is annoying.
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WeekapaugGroove wrote:I'm at the point where my biggest wish is this is the last time we do this song and dance with Rodgers. If he stays then make it known that he's here until he decides to hang them up in a few years. This nonsense is annoying.
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I made a comment, maybe a year ago, maybe less, can't recall, but the idea was Rodgers has literally turned into Favre at this point. It is like script running at this point.
I think the only difference is that he isn't going to be out to get the Packers by trying to stay in the NFC north, my guess is he legit just wants to go to LA or Denver, sign a big, fat, new deal and do something different.
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I wish they’d full on tank 22. QB class in 23 is loaded. Trade Bak, Adams, Rodgers. Let love play all 17 games and be terrible and draft the true heir apparent in April 23. Should be prime for a pretty quick turnaround if we make the right picks with our draft capital.
Not interested in a 10-7 season with a 1st round playoff loss and a capped out aging roster.
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Love is dead IMO.
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RubberSoul wrote:I wish they’d full on tank 22. QB class in 23 is loaded. Trade Bak, Adams, Rodgers. Let love play all 17 games and be terrible and draft the true heir apparent in April 23. Should be prime for a pretty quick turnaround if we make the right picks with our draft capital.
Not interested in a 10-7 season with a 1st round playoff loss and a capped out aging roster.
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I could go either way. I think Rodgers guarantees you in the 10-13 win season. We might not be the favorites, but Rams werent either. Love doesnt inspire confidence and we could easily turn into the bears or another team looking for a decent QB for over a decade. I don't scoff at any team that wins double digits.
That said, I'm totally cool if they think they can get a big return for Rodgers, bottom out and come back in 2024 as a contender due to high draft pick and haul over the next 2 years.
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So Rodgers no longer engaged?
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ReasonablySober wrote:Love is dead IMO.
Hopefully we are not talking about Jordan here. That said, all world QB gallivanting with high profile hollywood woman doesn't work out again??? Gee, shocked.
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dakim wrote:So Rodgers no longer engaged?
Sounds like it. Rodgers should have dated a rich supermodel like Brady so he could have taken some discounts over the years

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M-C-G wrote:ReasonablySober wrote:Love is dead IMO.
Hopefully we are not talking about Jordan here. That said, all world QB gallivanting with high profile hollywood woman doesn't work out again??? Gee, shocked.
High profile? I probably couldn't spontaneously even think of her name if my life depended on it. Shanise or something?
Your point is taken though.
Wut we've got here is... faaailure... to communakate.