2020 Draft Thread

[sdn40]

Minnesota might replace Diggs at #22 or #25

[stillgotgame]

Interesting Wonderlic scores, QBs and WR. Pittman with a 29, first for receivers. Mims with a 17, decent. Shenault 14, Reagor 13.

https://larrybrownsports.com/football/iowa-nate-stanley-highest-wonderlic-score-quarterbacks/546723

Jerry Jeudy is last with a 9, same as Rashan Gary.

[Karmaloop]

What he did to Oklahoma reminded me of what Moss did to Green Bay in his first trip to Lambeau.

Watch on YouTube

Oklahoma's defense might have been improved from previous years, but it was still awful. And I believe they were missing 2 starters from the secondary in that game. And that's coming from a Sooners fan.

[M-C-G]

Yes to all of the above absolutely would love to see mims n reagor or mims n higgins but double dip they need speed

And if Rodgers doesn’t trust them enough to play? We are shooting ourselves in the foot this year and next year when we have to pay a lot of guys.

I’m not opposed to it but early double dipping a deep position on a team that has a QB that doesn’t like young WR is a dangerous move.


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Im not sure rogers wont throw to rookie wrs maybe if our rookie wrs didnt constantly run the wrong routes or constantly drop passes or miss assigments or better yet get fricking open maybe rogers would throw them the ball.
Its not all on our QB they have to earn his trust just my 2 cents i absolutely think rogers would throw them the ball

I could probably look this up, but if I had to guess, maybe Greg Jennings was the last rookie he threw extensively to?

[M-C-G]

If Rodgers didn't have trust issues, last year turns out 6-10

Ah, I am going to go ahead and disagree, largely because his trust issues led to him not executing MLF offense and going back to McCarthyism.

Remember those couple of games Adams went down, and Aaron actual played the calls the way MLF designed them and we looked unbeatable?

Rodgers used to be the best QB I have ever seen. Then, in my opinion, he started caring more about his legacy than everything else and became a diva of the highest order. I'd have to go back and look at the actual years this tendency of his began to grow and I know I am not the only one that sees it.

Now that he doesn't have Godgers mode, he can't play the same way, but he is still trying to instead of just getting the damn ball out of his hands. The first drop off was when other teams stopped giving him the free plays that he made by getting teams during substitutions and jumping, it was a free play where he didn't have to worry about negative stats and he was unreal in those situations. No surprise since that went away, a lot of his big plays have dissipated.

Some of you will read that and think, no way, not possible. That's fine, if you aren't there yet, you will see it eventually. I talked about trading him to the Raiders a couple of years back and you guys mocked and laughed at me but I would think almost universally you guys would go back and do the trade I discussed and you would all probably trade him for Watson if it didn't kill us with cap in the ridiculous contract he has.

Ok, off the soap box.

[Daver]

Minnesota might replace Diggs at #22 or #25

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True though i think one of those will picks will be a DB as they lost rhodes to.If minby passes on a wr i think one of jefferson mims will be there at 30

[sdn40]

If Rodgers didn't have trust issues, last year turns out 6-10

Ah, I am going to go ahead and disagree, largely because his trust issues led to him not executing MLF offense and going back to McCarthyism.

Remember those couple of games Adams went down, and Aaron actual played the calls the way MLF designed them and we looked unbeatable?

Rodgers used to be the best QB I have ever seen. Then, in my opinion, he started caring more about his legacy than everything else and became a diva of the highest order. I'd have to go back and look at the actual years this tendency of his began to grow and I know I am not the only one that sees it.

Now that he doesn't have Godgers mode, he can't play the same way, but he is still trying to instead of just getting the damn ball out of his hands. The first drop off was when other teams stopped giving him the free plays that he made by getting teams during substitutions and jumping, it was a free play where he didn't have to worry about negative stats and he was unreal in those situations. No surprise since that went away, a lot of his big plays have dissipated.

Some of you will read that and think, no way, not possible. That's fine, if you aren't there yet, you will see it eventually. I talked about trading him to the Raiders a couple of years back and you guys mocked and laughed at me but I would think almost universally you guys would go back and do the trade I discussed and you would all probably trade him for Watson if it didn't kill us with cap in the ridiculous contract he has.

Ok, off the soap box.

Instead of a bunch of guessing and hypothesizing, and diva talk, I'll just stick to the facts.
In his prime, Rodgers had some combination of Driver, Jennings, Nelson, Jones, Cobb, Adams, and Finley. Now that he has aged to the point where his skills are no longer prime, coupled with a string of injuries, Rodgers has some combination of Adams and a bunch of crap. Now I'm not a football expert, but that's gonna have repercussions. And let's not forget, MLF's offense averages far fewer WR's per play, so that furthers the odds of not having guys running open, compared to the glory days when MM could overwhelm a defensive secondary by throwing 4 or 5 talented guys on the field. It was like shooting fish in a barrel.

Blaming Rodgers is in vogue for some reason, but that argument has obvious holes that fans choose to ignore. Need more obvious proof ? Why do 99% of fans want a WR in the First Round ? Why do 99% of the expert mock drafts have WR projected in the First Round ? Geronimo Allison and MVS were sooooo good last year, that one was benched and the other allowed to walk. And those were WR#2's !!! Toss in Kumerow, who is dead man walking, but Rodgers was dropping back in the pocket thinking about his legacy ?? Please. And stop with the XBOX trade ideas. It's embarrassing.

[M-C-G]

If Rodgers didn't have trust issues, last year turns out 6-10

Ah, I am going to go ahead and disagree, largely because his trust issues led to him not executing MLF offense and going back to McCarthyism.

Remember those couple of games Adams went down, and Aaron actual played the calls the way MLF designed them and we looked unbeatable?

Rodgers used to be the best QB I have ever seen. Then, in my opinion, he started caring more about his legacy than everything else and became a diva of the highest order. I'd have to go back and look at the actual years this tendency of his began to grow and I know I am not the only one that sees it.

Now that he doesn't have Godgers mode, he can't play the same way, but he is still trying to instead of just getting the damn ball out of his hands. The first drop off was when other teams stopped giving him the free plays that he made by getting teams during substitutions and jumping, it was a free play where he didn't have to worry about negative stats and he was unreal in those situations. No surprise since that went away, a lot of his big plays have dissipated.

Some of you will read that and think, no way, not possible. That's fine, if you aren't there yet, you will see it eventually. I talked about trading him to the Raiders a couple of years back and you guys mocked and laughed at me but I would think almost universally you guys would go back and do the trade I discussed and you would all probably trade him for Watson if it didn't kill us with cap in the ridiculous contract he has.

Ok, off the soap box.

Instead of a bunch of guessing and hypothesizing, and diva talk, I'll just stick to the facts.
In his prime, Rodgers had some combination of Driver, Jennings, Nelson, Jones, Cobb, Adams, and Finley. Now that he has aged to the point where his skills are no longer prime, coupled with a string of injuries, Rodgers has some combination of Adams and a bunch of crap. Now I'm not a football expert, but that's gonna have repercussions. And let's not forget, MLF's offense averages far fewer WR's per play, so that furthers the odds of not having guys running open, compared to the glory days when MM could overwhelm a defensive secondary by throwing 4 or 5 talented guys on the field. It was like shooting fish in a barrel.

Blaming Rodgers is in vogue for some reason, but that argument has obvious holes that fans choose to ignore. Need more obvious proof ? Why do 99% of fans want a WR in the First Round ? Why do 99% of the expert mock drafts have WR projected in the First Round ? Geronimo Allison and MVS were sooooo good last year, that one was benched and the other allowed to walk. And those were WR#2's !!! Toss in Kumerow, who is dead man walking, but Rodgers was dropping back in the pocket thinking about his legacy ?? Please. And stop with the XBOX trade ideas. It's embarrassing.

Blaming Rodgers might be in vogue, because, I don't know, it is true? Now, I will agree with you on the talent at the position needs an upgrade, in total agreement either the guys we have need to step way the hell up or we need some better guys.

As for an 'xbox' trade, let's not pretend like stars don't getting or move teams. Stefon Diggs, Deandre Hopkins, David Johnson, Odell Beckham, Jarvis Landry, Jalen Ramsey, Minkah Fitzpatrick, Frank Clark, Antonio Brown, Deforest Buckner have all been traded in about the last 12 months or so. But yeah, xbox, come on sd you are better than that.

[sdn40]

As for an 'xbox' trade, let's not pretend like stars don't getting or move teams. Stefon Diggs, Deandre Hopkins, David Johnson, Odell Beckham, Jarvis Landry, Jalen Ramsey, Minkah Fitzpatrick, Frank Clark, Antonio Brown, Deforest Buckner have all been traded in about the last 12 months or so. But yeah, xbox, come on sd you are better than that.

Because trading Rodgers with a $33 million dollar cap hit is exactly like trading Diggs with an $11 million dollar cap hit ? Happens all the time ? And that's the least stupid part of that idea. Circle, triangle, square, square.

[M-C-G]

As for an 'xbox' trade, let's not pretend like stars don't getting or move teams. Stefon Diggs, Deandre Hopkins, David Johnson, Odell Beckham, Jarvis Landry, Jalen Ramsey, Minkah Fitzpatrick, Frank Clark, Antonio Brown, Deforest Buckner have all been traded in about the last 12 months or so. But yeah, xbox, come on sd you are better than that.

Because trading Rodgers with a $33 million dollar cap hit is exactly like trading Diggs with an $11 million dollar cap hit ? Happens all the time ? And that's the least stupid part of that idea. Circle, triangle, square, square.

No, I was referring to like two years ago, I acknowledged the cap thing doing it now, no need to so petulant. You disagree, great, move on.

Let's talk some actual draft it is just a few days away.

[M-C-G]

Will be interesting to see how this impacts his status, seems like most people had him going around 10. Also, multiple players, wonder who else has a story dropping on them.

Louisville offensive tackle and projected first-round pick Mekhi Becton had his drug test flagged at the NFL Combine, reports NFL.com’s Ian Rapoport (via Twitter). Becton was one of “multiple players” to get flagged, and teams had previously been made aware of this infraction.

As Rapoport notes, the lineman will now enter Stage 1 of the new CBA’s Intervention Program for no more than 60 days. If Becton isn’t flagged again, “he will thereafter assume the same status as Players who have never been referred to the Intervention Program.” As Bleacher Report’s Matt Miller observes on Twitter, “failed drug tests” clearly don’t matter as much under the new CBA.

[M-C-G]

Two players that I wouldn't mind us drafting

Ohio State running back J.K. Dobbins has held video meetings with several NFL teams, including the Chiefs, Packers, Bills, Lions, Saints, Dolphins, reports Aaron Wilson of the Houston Chronicle. This isn’t the first time Dobbins has been linked to Miami, as he took a predraft visit with the Dolphins before such meetings were shut down due to COVID-19. Indeed, Dobbins left that visit feeling Miami was “infatuated” with him.

Alabama defensive tackle Raekwon Davis says the 49ers, Packers, Dolphins, Ravens, and Eagles are the teams that have contacted him most, as Mike Florio of Pro Football Talk writes. A massive presence at 6’6″, 310 pounds, Davis a first-round projection and comparisons to DeForest Buckner from NFL.com’s Lance Zierlein. Mike Renner of Pro Football Focus, however, ranks Davis just 10th among interior defender prospects, noting his lack of development as a pass-rusher.

[Mags FTW]

Minnesota might replace Diggs at #22 or #25

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True though i think one of those will picks will be a DB as they lost rhodes to.If minby passes on a wr i think one of jefferson mims will be there at 30

The Viking beat writers for The Atlantic and ESPN went with Kristian Fulton and Josh Jones in the Locked On mock. Cited the the glaring need at CB, the depth of the WR class to get one in the 2nd, using Irv Smith more in the passing game next year, and the low probability of getting a good tackle if they wait until the 2nd.

For sure they take a CB with one of the two picks. You can't lose your top 3 CBs and an edge rusher and not expect to get thrown on all day.

[Xanadu]

Think Pittman is going to be the Micheal Thomas of this draft. Will be available later than he should due to sun par 40. Pittman has had all of 6 drops in his 3 year college career. Elite short area quickness with advanced route running. I take the best MLB or DL available in the first. Then trade up to top of second grab Pittman. Also really believe Orr will be a great value in later rounds. Even though I know I am wearing badger goggles I just love his intensity. Guys a playmaker and someone who attacks the play.

My scouting buddy loves Pittman, loves him. To me, he just seems like more of what we have. There testing comes out about the same as well and most of what I have seen with Pittman looks like he would run the same types of routes as Lazard for us.

So maybe that is his floor? Again, I just think we need a different type of receiver in this offense personally.

I mean if green bay has such a hard one for the same ole same ole average speed receivers then why not just grab higgins then hes like pittman but rated higher can our wr group be any slower even adams as great as he is isnt a burner

Every year people become enamored with WR combine numbers. WR combine numbers seem to more valued than any other position group. It leads to guys like Ross getting drafted top ten. Also I really think type of receiver is bad reason to draft someone. The fact is that Pittman catches everything and runs with purpose after the catch. I don't see Lazard in him at all. I see Davante to be honest. As far as him vs Higgins I would rather have Pittman in the early second round than Higgins in first. Not to mention Pittman was his teams best weapon and Higgins had all kinds of help. WR is like any other position take the guy who steadily improved throughout college with a elite catch rate. I think that's smarter than drafting a guy because scouts say his a explosive shifty slot type. The fact is a great WR is great inside or out.

[jakecronus8]

Closing in on a firm Jefferson if he’s there, trade down if he’s not stance.

[M-C-G]

Closing in on a firm Jefferson if he’s there, trade down if he’s not stance.

I’ve been resistant because I don’t see the specialness of him but read a pff article talking about his pretty incredible ability to read the defense and adjust his routes, which had me pondering, is this the guy Rodgers would love day 1? Processing.


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[Frank Nova]

Closing in on a firm Jefferson if he’s there, trade down if he’s not stance.

What about trading up to get him? I mean, I wouldn’t but if your stance is Jefferson or bust in the 1st round, which way are you more willing to slide up or down?

[Wisky4life]

Would you guys trade our #30 to Indy if they offered #34 and #44?

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[WeekapaugGroove]

Would you guys trade our #30 to Indy if they offered #34 and #44?

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Absolutely

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[MoMM]

How the QB class looks like for next 2021 Draft? Is it good?