2025 NFL Draft

[MVP2110]

I agree about Barron. Last year I felt the same way about Latu and Jared Verse last year. Kept hearing how they are too old. We aren't drafting for the future. Packers keep drafting young players hoping to hit in the future. We need someone who can come in and play now. Barron is one of those guys.

It worked well with Kenny Clark, but continuously doing that has set us back some imo. Will Johnson would be a top 5 pick AND STILL MIGHT BE, if not for his injury status.

If Will Johnson falls into your lap you take him as he checks all of the boxes. But if you can't get him I would be happy with Barron.

I disagree that the Packers need to focus on next season. The Packers window is just opening up and should remain open for the next decade or so. We should be trying to find a guy that can contribute for the majority of that window, not just next season

We should be concentrating on both. I am not saying draft a 28 year old, but I want a 24 year old Jared Verse type over another LVN lottery ticket hoping he pans out in three years.

Will Johnson (minus injuries) would be ideal because he fits both descriptions.

I certainly don't disagree about Johnson, he's top 10 on my board.

But I do find age important, there have been numerous studies done that shows one of the biggest correlations to NFL success is age, the younger you are the more likely you are to succeed in the NFL. You have more development time, usually if you come out at a young age that's because you were awesome at a young age, etc.

You of course can find examples and age isn't the only thing that matters but I have a hard time justifying using a R1 pick on someone whose best case scenario only keeps them around for 1 contract

[Frank Nova]

I think Stewart is the guy they hope falls. Listening to some people talk about him I'd be very happy picking him now.

4.5 sacks in 3 years is insanely underwhelming, Stewart seems like a high bust candidate. I get why ppl like him tho, that’s just a massive question mark for me.

[MVP2110]

I think Stewart is the guy they hope falls. Listening to some people talk about him I'd be very happy picking him now.

4.5 sacks in 3 years is insanely underwhelming, Stewart seems like a high bust candidate. I get why ppl like him tho, that’s just a massive question mark for me.

Stewart might be the biggest boom or bust prospect in this draft. I don't think either outcome would be surprising. For the Packers though, a team who is short on star players, I think it'd be worth taking a shot on Stewart if he's there

[MVP2110]

It is sort of funny that a lot of people consider Gutey's drafting style as boom or bust, yet also think the Packers are a team filled with good but not great players

[ReasonablySober]

It is sort of funny that a lot of people consider Gutey's drafting style as boom or bust, yet also think the Packers are a team filled with good but not great players

I just think he's made a number of relatively high draft picks that seemed to lean more (for lack of a better term) RAS-based as opposed to on-field based. Players who look like they were built in a lab but didn't necessarily play up their physical abilities and lacked practical football skills. When he has taken guys who were awesome in college they've tended to work out.

[MVP2110]

It is sort of funny that a lot of people consider Gutey's drafting style as boom or bust, yet also think the Packers are a team filled with good but not great players

I just think he's made a number of relatively high draft picks that seemed to lean more (for lack of a better term) RAS-based as opposed to on-field based. Players who look like they were built in a lab but didn't necessarily play up their physical abilities and lacked practical football skills. When he has taken guys who were awesome in college they've tended to work out.

I would disagree. I think two of his biggest busts were taking low RAS, highly productive college guys in Sternberger & Amari. Oddly enough Mclaurin & Nico Collins went right after those picks and both were high RAS, lower college production guys and both would be stars.

[ReasonablySober]

It is sort of funny that a lot of people consider Gutey's drafting style as boom or bust, yet also think the Packers are a team filled with good but not great players

I just think he's made a number of relatively high draft picks that seemed to lean more (for lack of a better term) RAS-based as opposed to on-field based. Players who look like they were built in a lab but didn't necessarily play up their physical abilities and lacked practical football skills. When he has taken guys who were awesome in college they've tended to work out.

I would disagree. I think two of his biggest busts were taking low RAS, highly productive college guys in Sternberger & Amari. Oddly enough Mclaurin & Nico Collins went right after those picks and both were high RAS, lower college production guys and both would be stars.

Both Collins and McLaurin were huge deep threats that scored a bunch of TDs in college. I wouldn't say they were lower production guys.

But yea, Rodgers and Jace were huge busts. No defending either pick. That said, both of those guys were third round picks. LVN, Stokes, Savage, Dillon, Myers, and Quay were taken higher and they were all busts. It's not looking great for Musgrave, Wyatt, and Watson either.

[MVP2110]

I just think he's made a number of relatively high draft picks that seemed to lean more (for lack of a better term) RAS-based as opposed to on-field based. Players who look like they were built in a lab but didn't necessarily play up their physical abilities and lacked practical football skills. When he has taken guys who were awesome in college they've tended to work out.

I would disagree. I think two of his biggest busts were taking low RAS, highly productive college guys in Sternberger & Amari. Oddly enough Mclaurin & Nico Collins went right after those picks and both were high RAS, lower college production guys and both would be stars.

Both Collins and McLaurin were huge deep threats that scored a bunch of TDs in college. I wouldn't say they were lower production guys.

But yea, Rodgers and Jace were huge busts. No defending either pick. That said, both of those guys were third round picks. LVN, Stokes, Savage, Dillon, Myers, and Quay were taken higher and they were all busts. It's not looking great for Musgrave, Wyatt, and Watson either.

-Myers was definitely a bust but worth noting he didn't test so he doesn't fall into the athletic freak category, meanwhile Creed Humphrey scored a perfect 10 so kind of another example where Gute should have taken the better athlete

-Stokes was awesome as a rookie and then injuries totally sapped his athleticism, not sure how much is on Gute

-Savage & Dillon were definitely busts , no disagreement there.

I think the Packers disagree with you on Quay & Wyatt. It sounds like they want to extend them.

I haven't written off LVN yet or Musgrave yet. Musgrave specifically looked good as a rookie but hasn't been able to stay healthy.

[Profound23]

Turned on ABC to see Wisconsin draft special.

All they were doing was explaining the draft like we are morons.

"There are seven rounds and you're allowed to trade up or trade down."


Put on ESPN to see a mock draft with Rob Demovsky taking Shemar Stewart. Yuck!

[ReasonablySober]

Looks like the weather in GB is going to be cold and crappy, at least for the first two days. Of course.

[MickeyDavis]

Looks like the weather in GB is going to be cold and crappy, at least for the first two days. Of course.

Yeah I was about 20% thinking of going but I'll pass.

[MVP2110]

A lot of smoke in the last 24 hours about Green Bay going WR. I wouldnt mind it, but I'll believe it when I see it

[MVP2110]

5 years ago today the Packers drafted Jordan Love

20 years ago today the Packers drafted Aaron Rodgers

[ReasonablySober]

ESPN's new insider Peter Schrager has an interesting mock.

7. New York Jets - Tyler Warren, TE, Penn State
9. New Orleans Saints - Mykel Williams, Edge, Georgia
11. San Francisco 49ers - Walter Nolen, DT, Ole Miss
13. Miami Dolphins - Mason Graham, DT, Michigan
19. Tampa Bay Buccaneers - Tetairoa McMillan, WR, Arizona

23. Green Bay Packers - Matthew Golden, WR, Texas

I know it's out of character for Green Bay to take a receiver in Round 1 -- they haven't done it since 2002 -- but in this scenario, Golden could slide right to them. And I can't see him sliding much more.

Green Bay could go in several directions. I doubt anyone thought the Packers could get the consensus top wideout on many boards, though.

26. New York Giants (via projected trade with LAR) - Jaxson Dart, QB, Ole Miss
28. Detroit Lions - Will Johnson, CB, Michigan
29. Washington Commanders - Shemar Stewart, Edge, Texas A&M

It would kill me to see Detroit end up with Johnson.

[MVP2110]

ESPN's new insider Peter Schrager has an interesting mock.

7. New York Jets - Tyler Warren, TE, Penn State
9. New Orleans Saints - Mykel Williams, Edge, Georgia
11. San Francisco 49ers - Walter Nolen, DT, Ole Miss
13. Miami Dolphins - Mason Graham, DT, Michigan
19. Tampa Bay Buccaneers - Tetairoa McMillan, WR, Arizona

23. Green Bay Packers - Matthew Golden, WR, Texas

I know it's out of character for Green Bay to take a receiver in Round 1 -- they haven't done it since 2002 -- but in this scenario, Golden could slide right to them. And I can't see him sliding much more.

Green Bay could go in several directions. I doubt anyone thought the Packers could get the consensus top wideout on many boards, though.

26. New York Giants (via projected trade with LAR) - Jaxson Dart, QB, Ole Miss
28. Detroit Lions - Will Johnson, CB, Michigan
29. Washington Commanders - Shemar Stewart, Edge, Texas A&M

It would kill me to see Detroit end up with Johnson.

Mykel going top 10?

[MickeyDavis]

Longest it's gone without a first round pick trade since 1993.

[emunney]

Just wanted a sense check here in case I'm the crazy one: Travis Hunter should go #1 and what the Titans are doing is insane, and it's insane that nobody's trying to get to #1 to take him. Am I way off base?

[ReasonablySober]

Read on Twitter

Not a lot of new info in here. Teams in the top are interested in moving down, handful of teams are interested in moving up for Hunter, teams in the back-end may be moving down because some teams are interested in jumping back up for a QB. Same stuff you hear every year.

[ReasonablySober]

Just wanted a sense check here in case I'm the crazy one: Travis Hunter should go #1 and what the Titans are doing is insane, and it's insane that nobody's trying to get to #1 to take him. Am I way off base?

I'm fine with taking Cam #1. I watched too many games last season where he absolutely bailed out a mediocre Miami team. He's got a cannon, throws from every angle, moves well. He legitimately looks like a modern day Brett Farvrra.

But Hunter is the easiest #2 pick of all-time.

[MVP2110]

I get it from Tennessee's perspective. I'm not a huge Cam Ward guy but they desperately need a QB and won't be anything until they find a guy and this might be their best shot at getting one