Game 5: Packers @ Cowboys (3:25PM on FOX)

[Balls2TheWalls]

Packers gave up some yards in 2nd half but a few of those long passes were absolute prayers.

The touchdown to Gallup reminded me a lot of the touchdown to Diggs that went through Jaire's arms. However, the throws to Cooper weren't prayers. He was lighting Jaire on fire all day.

We did exactly what we needed to do against a team that wanted to rely on the run and bury us with time of possession. We got out to a huge lead. We played more conservatively as the game went on, but a lot of our inability to run the ball at the end had to do with Jones splitting touches with Carson. We also lost momentum on defense when Preston and Z were taking turns getting hurt. Our players were also dropping like flies. We lost Linsley, Tonyan, Savage, Z (4 times?), Preston Smith was out for a series, and Goodson. The team did admirably given that it felt like we were constantly playing down people.

[Kerb Hohl]

This might be touched on during the thread but yet again all I see is the casual fan family/friends complaining about Aikman/Buck from that game. Now, I had the sound off for some, but to me, whenever I watch Aikman, it feels like he overcompensates trying to be nice to the other team when it's the Cowboys. Is that just me? It seems like if he says, "Prescott has been really good at plays like this this year, not a great play by Tramon Williams on that one," people lose their **** as if he's cheering for the Cowboys.

Buck is kinda boring but he's fine and I've slightly warmed up to his personality off of TV of late in interviews and such. I actually have liked Aikman a lot this year because there have been several games where a team tries a new-age aggressive 2-pointer or 4th down conversion and he's one of the first announcers that tries to understand it instead of talking about how stupid it is because he's never seen it before.

[Ron Swanson]

Buck and Aikman are pretty bland but they're still better than anyone CBS, or especially NBC throws out there. I can't take someone's football opinion seriously if they don't think that listening to Chris Collinsworth is like **** nails on a chalkboard.

[Balls2TheWalls]

This might be touched on during the thread but yet again all I see is the casual fan family/friends complaining about Aikman/Buck from that game. Now, I had the sound off for some, but to me, whenever I watch Aikman, it feels like he overcompensates trying to be nice to the other team when it's the Cowboys. Is that just me? It seems like if he says, "Prescott has been really good at plays like this this year, not a great play by Tramon Williams on that one," people lose their **** as if he's cheering for the Cowboys.

Buck is kinda boring but he's fine and I've slightly warmed up to his personality off of TV of late in interviews and such. I actually have liked Aikman a lot this year because there have been several games where a team tries a new-age aggressive 2-pointer or 4th down conversion and he's one of the first announcers that tries to understand it instead of talking about how stupid it is because he's never seen it before.

I think the big knock on Aikman is that he is a generally negative guy when it comes to calling a game. He would much rather bang on the negative than on the positive of a play. That makes people think that he is rooting against them. However, when every team feels like he is rooting against them, maybe he is just a negative dude.

[Flames24Rulz]

This might be touched on during the thread but yet again all I see is the casual fan family/friends complaining about Aikman/Buck from that game. Now, I had the sound off for some, but to me, whenever I watch Aikman, it feels like he overcompensates trying to be nice to the other team when it's the Cowboys. Is that just me? It seems like if he says, "Prescott has been really good at plays like this this year, not a great play by Tramon Williams on that one," people lose their **** as if he's cheering for the Cowboys.

Buck is kinda boring but he's fine and I've slightly warmed up to his personality off of TV of late in interviews and such. I actually have liked Aikman a lot this year because there have been several games where a team tries a new-age aggressive 2-pointer or 4th down conversion and he's one of the first announcers that tries to understand it instead of talking about how stupid it is because he's never seen it before.

Anyone complaining about Buck & Aikman is doing it wrong. You mean to tell me you'd really want to listen to Kevin Burkhardt, Chris Myers, Thom Brennaman, or Sam Rosen over Joe Buck on a Sunday? Hard pass.

[Kerb Hohl]

Buck and Aikman are pretty bland but they're still better than anyone CBS, or especially NBC throws out there. I can't take someone's football opinion seriously if they don't think that listening to Chris Collinsworth is like **** nails on a chalkboard.

I don't really mind any of the national guys. Similar to what someone else noted, Collinsworth is still miles better than listening to Dick Stockton or Thom Brenneman + their color guy literally not understand football. Collinsworth has that annoying stepdad quality to him but I generally think he knows what he's talking about.

It's a fair opinion to not like Collinsworth, though, but I guess my main point is I pull my hair out because people have no clue what they're talking about when they bitch about Aikman. "Oh, he said the Packers made a bad play...what a biased ****! He's cheering for the Cowboys!"

My one complaint with Buck is he literally says, "pass is ______" on every single pass. He's a good announcer but you'd think for someone as decorated as he is, come up with some different adjectives to describe a forward pass.

[Ron Swanson]

The problem with Buck is that he's a baseball guy through and through. It's a completely different style of announcing (more repetition) and for whatever reason he's just not a natural at maneuvering the flow of a football game. It's rare when you get an Al Michaels or a Brian Anderson who can be interchangeable and great calling multiple sports. Just wish networks would stop trying to grab random golf announcers (*cough* Jim Nantz) and any old, dumb as rocks, former QB (*cough* Phil Simms) and think that they can just small talk their way through a 3-4 hour game without giving knowledgeable football fans migraines.

[crkone]

Troy and his "I'd hate to say it but it's a good call" on Rodgers getting a roughing the passer call at around 6:18 in the 2nd was hilarious. Dude is an unabashed homer. Even Mike Pereira was taken aback by that.

[HaroldinGMinor]

Packers gave up some yards in 2nd half but a few of those long passes were absolute prayers.

The touchdown to Gallup reminded me a lot of the touchdown to Diggs that went through Jaire's arms. However, the throws to Cooper weren't prayers. He was lighting Jaire on fire all day.

The one to Gallup and the one to Zeke are the ones I'm referencing.

[Kerb Hohl]

Troy and his "I'd hate to say it but it's a good call" on Rodgers getting a roughing the passer call at around 6:18 in the 2nd was hilarious. Dude is an unabashed homer. Even Mike Pereira was taken aback by that.

Couldn't, "I hate to say it, but it's a good call" be referencing all of the soft calls that are made on QBs of which he's pretty outspoken about? I guess it just depends if you walk into the game trying to frame what he says as Cowboys homer-ism or if he's just praising both teams/emotional towards the refs/calls.

[RiotPunch]

Troy and his "I'd hate to say it but it's a good call" on Rodgers getting a roughing the passer call at around 6:18 in the 2nd was hilarious. Dude is an unabashed homer. Even Mike Pereira was taken aback by that.

Couldn't, "I hate to say it, but it's a good call" be referencing all of the soft calls that are made on QBs of which he's pretty outspoken about? I guess it just depends if you walk into the game trying to frame what he says as Cowboys homer-ism or if he's just praising both teams/emotional towards the refs/calls.

I am not a fan of Buck/Aikman because they deliver a boring product. I, too, have been annoyed by the anti-Aikman Packer fan propaganda for years as he's usually pretty neutral or even over-the-top praising Cowboys opponents. That being said, I think he was off his game yesterday. He was very clearly upset with the Cowboys' lack of energy, then there was the "hate to say it" call, which Buck jumped in to defend and rationalize just as you did in the bold above, and he kept trying to make excuses for the Cowboys throughout the game, making sure to preface each excuse by saying "there are no excuses, but..." In the moment, and I vocalized it in the thread, I thought he was being visibly and audibly homerish, much more than I've noticed in the past.

EDIT: You and Buck could absolutely be right about your defense of the "hate to say it" call, though. I reacted like Pereira did in the moment.

[WeekapaugGroove]

Packers gave up some yards in 2nd half but a few of those long passes were absolute prayers.

The touchdown to Gallup reminded me a lot of the touchdown to Diggs that went through Jaire's arms. However, the throws to Cooper weren't prayers. He was lighting Jaire on fire all day.

The one to Gallup and the one to Zeke are the ones I'm referencing.

For sure, and one of the balls to cooper on the sideline was a ridiculous throw and catch with pretty good coverage.

Sometimes opponents make plays.

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[Kerb Hohl]

Troy and his "I'd hate to say it but it's a good call" on Rodgers getting a roughing the passer call at around 6:18 in the 2nd was hilarious. Dude is an unabashed homer. Even Mike Pereira was taken aback by that.

Couldn't, "I hate to say it, but it's a good call" be referencing all of the soft calls that are made on QBs of which he's pretty outspoken about? I guess it just depends if you walk into the game trying to frame what he says as Cowboys homer-ism or if he's just praising both teams/emotional towards the refs/calls.

I am not a fan of Buck/Aikman because they deliver a boring product. I, too, have been annoyed by the anti-Aikman Packer fan propaganda for years as he's usually pretty neutral or even over-the-top praising Cowboys opponents. That being said, I think he was off his game yesterday. He was very clearly upset with the Cowboys' lack of energy, then there was the "hate to say it" call, which Buck jumped in to defend and rationalize just as you did in the bold above, and he kept trying to make excuses for the Cowboys throughout the game, making sure to preface each excuse by saying "there are no excuses, but..." In the moment, and I vocalized it in the thread, I thought he was being visibly and audibly homerish, much more than I've noticed in the past.

EDIT: You and Buck could absolutely be right about your defense of the "hate to say it" call, though. I reacted like Pereira did in the moment.

For whatever it's worth, the end-of-game spread ended up close to where it deserved to be...and turning the ball over is huge, but I do agree with an announcer defending the Cowboys a bit.

I guess feeling the need to defend it does imply some bias, but if the Packers were down 31-3 after a ball thrown slightly behind Adams for a touchdown bounced off his hands for an INT and a few other breaks went the opponents' way, I'd be defending the team. The Cowboys did not play "down by 28" bad early in that game. They got some weird bounces and Dak did make a few bad throws but I guess that's probably what he was referring to. The yardage was even in the first half.

Of course, if the Cowboys are **** up like that every game, they're going to finish 7-9. But I think that was a good team that made a few mistakes against a good team that played a flawless opening 35-40 minutes and caught some bounces.

[Ron Swanson]

Yeah, Troy is a guy who had his career cut short because of all the vicious hits he took and subsequent concussions. If anything he's one of many of these ex-QB's lamenting the fact at how protected QB's are in this era and I'm sure there's at least a fair bit of resentment built up there from his own era not benefiting from such rules.

[trwi7]

He's such a bitch.

This week saw the Green Bay Packers head into AT&T Stadium and get the benefit of home cooking from the officials most of the night on their way to beating the mistake-prone Cowboys, 34-24.

Back to the officiating for a minute. It was inexcusably inept. The Packers got call after favorable call for three quarters before the crew got the bat signal that they were in JerryWorld and might want to show some semblance of equity. Then Dallas got call after favorable call. The Packers big early lead and then the Cowboys frantic comeback were both not possible without complicit officiating making them happen. Be better than that, NFL...

[Profound23]

Will Cain and Skip Bayless both talked trash about GB all week last week.

Today one doesn’t even have a show for some reason and the other blamed the entire game on one call, while spending the rest of the show saying how good Dak was for the comeback and the refs screwed them.

[ReasonablySober]

So they got home cooking in Dallas? Interesting.

[Mags FTW]

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[vegaspacker]

Jaire got torched. Cooper is the real deal. I hope he gets some redemption games soon. Shading some safety help would be greatly appreciated.

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[Kerb Hohl]

One random thing from the game.

I think there was [another] miscommunication on Rodgers snapping the ball with 10 seconds on the play clock after the attempted 12 man snap by Rodgers that they blew dead.

Another interesting thought was this: We got a delay of game at our own 20 or whatever it was just as the game was starting to feel like Dallas had a bit of a chance. The clock kept running. It was another **** up that we snapped it with ~10 seconds left. We should've kept taking delay-of-games unless there is something in the rules to stop it. I'll take 10 yards back to my own 5 and keep getting half the distance calls until Dallas is forced to call a timeout. Then I'd run a QB sneak and keep taking delay-of-games until Dallas is forced to call another. I think there were 11 minutes left but they could've forced the issue at the cost of 10-15 yards of field position.

There may be something in the rules to stop it from going that crazy, but seems like a loophole to me.

Nevermind, a simple search solved my questions on this loophole, though I wonder if they could've taken some false starts in-between.

The NFL actually addressed this point with a 2009 rule change - but previously, what you suggest would have been theoretically possible. Today, a team can only take two consecutive delay of game penalties on a down. Third time triggers an unsportsmanlike consult penalty, which stops the game clock.

https://www.quora.com/Why-doesnt-the-clock-stop-in-the-NFL-after-a-false-start-or-delay-of-game-penalty