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Re: 2022 NFL Draft discussion 

Post#541 » by LikeABosh » Wed Apr 13, 2022 3:39 am

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jakecronus8 wrote:He’d anger a lot of casuals who are hell bent on a receiver at 22 but he’d likely be the guy. Young, freak athlete, premium position. That’s a Gutey guy for sure

If he likes Gary, he should like Karlaftis. Similar size, athleticism.


The guy that Gutey walks away with one of those first three picks is Drake Jackson. Definition of a Gutey guy.


Our new OLB coach just said he believes in having 4 legit edge rushers. So yeah, I'd bet on at least one edge guy early on
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Post#542 » by Matches Malone » Wed Apr 13, 2022 3:50 am

I keep coming back to George Pickens. He's a fun player to watch and there's some swagger to his game.

Pickens and Stokes battling at Georgia practice.
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Re: 2022 NFL Draft discussion 

Post#543 » by M-C-G » Wed Apr 13, 2022 4:19 am

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DrWood wrote:If iDL make fans rage, they aren't very knowledgeable fans.

Do you not remember Kenny Clark being drafted?

I bolded an important word from my previous post. Who did they want? There were certainly players picked after him who've had better careers (Derrick Henry, Tyreek Hill, Michael Thomas, Dak Prescott), but most of those guys weren't options at #27.
A team can almost always make use of another iDL in their rotation.


Scanning that draft I feel like Myles Jack might have been the guy that had the buzz. But your point is certainly taken


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Re: 2022 NFL Draft discussion 

Post#544 » by DrWood » Wed Apr 13, 2022 7:36 am

jakecronus8 wrote:
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jakecronus8 wrote:He’d anger a lot of casuals who are hell bent on a receiver at 22 but he’d likely be the guy. Young, freak athlete, premium position. That’s a Gutey guy for sure

If he likes Gary, he should like Karlaftis. Similar size, athleticism.


The guy that Gutey walks away with one of those first three picks is Drake Jackson. Definition of a Gutey guy.

No he's not. Too small (250# for an Edge).
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Re: 2022 NFL Draft discussion 

Post#545 » by DrWood » Wed Apr 13, 2022 7:41 am

Matches Malone wrote:I keep coming back to George Pickens. He's a fun player to watch and there's some swagger to his game.



I think Pickens, Watson, Tolbert, and Pierce will be the value picks* at WR in this draft and they will probably all go in rounds 2 and 3. I didn't list guys who are primarily slot receivers.

*Unless one of the top 4 WR drops. If so, they are obviously value picks.
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Post#546 » by TroyD92 » Wed Apr 13, 2022 8:31 am

Pickens in round 2 is a no brainer for me
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Re: 2022 NFL Draft discussion 

Post#547 » by sdn40 » Wed Apr 13, 2022 10:19 am

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DrWood wrote:If he likes Gary, he should like Karlaftis. Similar size, athleticism.


The guy that Gutey walks away with one of those first three picks is Drake Jackson. Definition of a Gutey guy.


Our new OLB coach just said he believes in having 4 legit edge rushers. So yeah, I'd bet on at least one edge guy early on


Of course he does. And any WR coach believes in having 5 legit WR's. But we don't live in a perfect world. The Packers have 0 legit safeties under contract for 2023. They also have 0 legit WR's under contract for 2022. I would argue there are 0 legit TE's under contract. You can win a trophy with Garvin and Tipa sharing backup snaps.
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Re: 2022 NFL Draft discussion 

Post#548 » by DrWood » Wed Apr 13, 2022 11:28 am

TroyD92 wrote:Pickens in round 2 is a no brainer for me

If he makes it to #53. I'd guess he might go earlier. But there's no telling which WRs different teams covet.
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Re: 2022 NFL Draft discussion 

Post#549 » by Treebeard » Wed Apr 13, 2022 12:09 pm

There's still a bunch of QB needy teams. It's probable that some scratch that itch during the draft, either by selection, or by trade for a vet QB. The point being, is whoever and whenever those moves occur, that will skew the following selections (more likely in the Pack's favor, as that may allow a coveted player to drop)
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Post#550 » by ReasonablySober » Wed Apr 13, 2022 12:52 pm

Kiper's latest:

22. Green Bay Packers (via LV)
Christian Watson, WR, North Dakota State

There could be a run on wide receivers in the 20s, starting with the Patriots and Packers. We know Green Bay needs one after the Davante Adams trade, but I don't think general manager Brian Gutekunst is going to force it. Watson is a riser, as teams see a 6-foot-4 receiver with 4.36 40 speed and elite measurables and think he can be a big-play threat who can grow into a better route runner. Watson averaged 20.4 yards per catch in his college career. Watson is ready to contribute for Aaron Rodgers as a rookie.

28. Green Bay Packers
Zion Johnson, G/C, Boston College

Johnson's positional flex is impressive to teams, as he dominated as a guard last season -- he didn't allow a single pressure -- and took snaps at center at the Senior Bowl. He'd most likely play guard in Green Bay, which lost Lucas Patrick in free agency. Packers fans (and Aaron Rodgers) should be happy with this first-round haul, and the franchise has two second-round picks as well.

53. Green Bay Packers (via LV)
Alec Pierce, WR, Cincinnati

My comp for Pierce will be familiar to Packers fans -- it's Jordy Nelson. And Green Bay got Nelson in the second round, too. The 6-foot-3 Pierce ran a 4.41 40 at the combine and also had a 40.5-inch vertical. He has rare physical tools, which have him climbing draft boards. He could thrive on go routes from Aaron Rodgers.

59. Green Bay Packers
Myjai Sanders, DE/OLB, Cincinnati

Sanders weighed just 228 pounds at the combine and reportedly had lost weight because of a stomach bug. He should settle in the 240-range in the NFL, and he might be best suited as an outside linebacker. But he has some explosive traits off the edge, and he could be an interesting high-upside pick on Day 2. The Packers have to add young edge talent in this draft.


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Post#551 » by ReasonablySober » Wed Apr 13, 2022 1:28 pm

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Re: 2022 NFL Draft discussion 

Post#552 » by M-C-G » Wed Apr 13, 2022 2:38 pm

Pickens feels like a fit in the first. But I am sure we are adding some speed in this draft (Thorton or Velus)
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Re: 2022 NFL Draft discussion 

Post#553 » by WeekapaugGroove » Wed Apr 13, 2022 3:28 pm

M-C-G wrote:
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M-C-G wrote:Do you not remember Kenny Clark being drafted?

I bolded an important word from my previous post. Who did they want? There were certainly players picked after him who've had better careers (Derrick Henry, Tyreek Hill, Michael Thomas, Dak Prescott), but most of those guys weren't options at #27.
A team can almost always make use of another iDL in their rotation.


Scanning that draft I feel like Myles Jack might have been the guy that had the buzz. But your point is certainly taken


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Re: 2022 NFL Draft discussion 

Post#554 » by LikeABosh » Wed Apr 13, 2022 5:18 pm

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LikeABosh wrote:
jakecronus8 wrote:
The guy that Gutey walks away with one of those first three picks is Drake Jackson. Definition of a Gutey guy.


Our new OLB coach just said he believes in having 4 legit edge rushers. So yeah, I'd bet on at least one edge guy early on


Of course he does. And any WR coach believes in having 5 legit WR's. But we don't live in a perfect world. The Packers have 0 legit safeties under contract for 2023. They also have 0 legit WR's under contract for 2022. I would argue there are 0 legit TE's under contract. You can win a trophy with Garvin and Tipa sharing backup snaps.


Okay. We have more than one pick in the draft
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Re: 2022 NFL Draft discussion 

Post#555 » by LikeABosh » Wed Apr 13, 2022 5:21 pm

ReasonablySober wrote:Kiper's latest:

22. Green Bay Packers (via LV)
Christian Watson, WR, North Dakota State

There could be a run on wide receivers in the 20s, starting with the Patriots and Packers. We know Green Bay needs one after the Davante Adams trade, but I don't think general manager Brian Gutekunst is going to force it. Watson is a riser, as teams see a 6-foot-4 receiver with 4.36 40 speed and elite measurables and think he can be a big-play threat who can grow into a better route runner. Watson averaged 20.4 yards per catch in his college career. Watson is ready to contribute for Aaron Rodgers as a rookie.

28. Green Bay Packers
Zion Johnson, G/C, Boston College

Johnson's positional flex is impressive to teams, as he dominated as a guard last season -- he didn't allow a single pressure -- and took snaps at center at the Senior Bowl. He'd most likely play guard in Green Bay, which lost Lucas Patrick in free agency. Packers fans (and Aaron Rodgers) should be happy with this first-round haul, and the franchise has two second-round picks as well.

53. Green Bay Packers (via LV)
Alec Pierce, WR, Cincinnati

My comp for Pierce will be familiar to Packers fans -- it's Jordy Nelson. And Green Bay got Nelson in the second round, too. The 6-foot-3 Pierce ran a 4.41 40 at the combine and also had a 40.5-inch vertical. He has rare physical tools, which have him climbing draft boards. He could thrive on go routes from Aaron Rodgers.

59. Green Bay Packers
Myjai Sanders, DE/OLB, Cincinnati

Sanders weighed just 228 pounds at the combine and reportedly had lost weight because of a stomach bug. He should settle in the 240-range in the NFL, and he might be best suited as an outside linebacker. But he has some explosive traits off the edge, and he could be an interesting high-upside pick on Day 2. The Packers have to add young edge talent in this draft.


Nightmare draft.


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Re: 2022 NFL Draft discussion 

Post#556 » by Matches Malone » Wed Apr 13, 2022 5:39 pm

Is that Gute's music!?

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Post#557 » by Treebeard » Wed Apr 13, 2022 5:39 pm

They do so many mocks, that I think some of the high volume ones are intentionally and temporarily skewed to favor a certain team or locality. It's all about click generation. The content doesn't really matter, as it will all change two days from now anyway.. i.e. a couple of weeks back, one of CBS's mocks was so loaded in favor of New York teams as to be ridiculous, but the next iteration barely resembled the previous one.
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Post#558 » by Profound23 » Wed Apr 13, 2022 5:41 pm

WeekapaugGroove wrote:
M-C-G wrote:
DrWood wrote:I bolded an important word from my previous post. Who did they want? There were certainly players picked after him who've had better careers (Derrick Henry, Tyreek Hill, Michael Thomas, Dak Prescott), but most of those guys weren't options at #27.
A team can almost always make use of another iDL in their rotation.


Scanning that draft I feel like Myles Jack might have been the guy that had the buzz. But your point is certainly taken


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Yeah I remember people being super pissed they took Clark over Jack. I don't really like Bob McGinn but I remember listening to a podcast the day after the draft and he was really high on Kenny so hat tip there.

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-I wanted Jack or Jaylon Smith, but I didn't know Clark so I wasn't as mad once I did some research on him.
-The next year I was PISSED we took King over Reuben Foster/Watt....but I was more about Foster than Watt so I was wrong.
-The next year I wanted Jaire or Derwin James and was fine with either, loved the traded down, was also VERY high on Josh Jackson.
-The next year I wanted DK Metcalf and AJ Brown.....and as much as Gary, Savage, and Jenkins have done for this team....I believe if you add AJ Brown and DK to Davante this team wins at least one more Superbowl over the past couple of years, but even at the time I was fine with Savage/Jenkins and did not trust Gary at all.
-The next year I was fine with the Love pick but wanted Antoine Winfield or Queen, I loved the AJ Dillon pick in the 2nd
-Last year I wanted Samuel Jr. or Jevon Holland, but was excited about Stokes. I was actually more irritated we passed on Quinn Meinerz in the later rounds, but I understood there was a need for WR and we just drafted an interior offensive lineman.

So my team would probably have Reuben Foster (cut), Myles Jack (downgrade), Jaire, Josh Jackson (cut), DK Metcalf (taken way earlier than anyone else), AJ Brown, Jawaan Taylor, Antoine Winfield, Samuel Jr., Quinn Meinerz, AJ Dillon

Oline=small downgrade
Dline and passrush=HUGE downgrade, however we probably still have Z
secondary=small upgrade
WRs=huge upgrade

And right now everyone would be complaining we need a pass rush, while we have three pro bowl WRs. What this tells me most of all is to give up evaluating ILBs and stick to WRs/RBs/DBs
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Post#559 » by ReasonablySober » Wed Apr 13, 2022 6:56 pm

Interesting breakdown and ranking of the top edge rushers in the class.

1 - Jermaine Johnson II, Florida State
2 - Kayvon Thibodeaux, Oregon
3 - Aidan Hutchinson, Michigan
4 - Travon Walker, Georgia
5 - Joshua Paschal, Kentucky
6 - Boye Mafe, Minnesota
7 - David Ojabo, Michigan
8 - George Karlaftis, Purdue
9 - Nik Bonitto, Oklahoma
10 - Arnold Ebiketie, Penn State
11 - Drake Jackson, USC
12 - Cameron Thomas, San Diego State

Ridiculous depth in this class.
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Post#560 » by DrWood » Wed Apr 13, 2022 11:58 pm

ReasonablySober wrote:Interesting breakdown and ranking of the top edge rushers in the class.

1 - Jermaine Johnson II, Florida State
2 - Kayvon Thibodeaux, Oregon
3 - Aidan Hutchinson, Michigan
4 - Travon Walker, Georgia
5 - Joshua Paschal, Kentucky
6 - Boye Mafe, Minnesota
7 - David Ojabo, Michigan
8 - George Karlaftis, Purdue
9 - Nik Bonitto, Oklahoma
10 - Arnold Ebiketie, Penn State
11 - Drake Jackson, USC
12 - Cameron Thomas, San Diego State

Ridiculous depth in this class.

How is Enagbare not on that list?

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