Jordan Love Thread - All Aboard the Love Train

[Ayt]

Are you really watching 4 minutes of Jordan Love analysis every week?

Are you not?

[jute2003]

Are you really watching 4 minutes of Jordan Love analysis every week?

That's where you draw the line?

[Marley2Hendrix]

Are you really watching 4 minutes of Jordan Love analysis every week?

Are you not?

I don't know if ReasonablySober meant 40, rather than 4, but, yeah. JT's stuff is fire. I generally watch on 1.75x or 2x speed. For fantasy purposes, I think it's pretty great for 2qb leagues vetting out is Aiden O'Connell worth a look, etc. Not to reopen the, um, "argument," over speculation over routes, but based on structure, it's interesting to see Watson did quite likely run the wrong route on that early Reed TD, which makes it even more spectacular. The main trend over almost a season worth of breakdowns, the raw abilities are there, and accuracy abandons Love when he loses his footwork, and JT's main thesis was LaFleur needs to adjust play calls to make footwork and timing easier, as Love rips when he is in his flow. It certainly looks like this is happening, a huge focus is on his footwork, and he continues to get better. Lot of football left this year, and the opportunity is there for Love to really stamp he's the guy for an extension.

[MickeyDavis]

[PintSizedBox10]

#ExtendLove

[Ron Swanson]

Eh, the average passer rating in 2008 was 83.2, and the average in '92 was 75.3 (current 2023 average is 88.3). But yeah, Love has looked exactly how you'd expect a young but talented dude to look given the lack of weapons around him. At least we're now seeing the O-line stabilize a bit, which is always the thing that makes evaluating QB's so difficult. Way too many people were busy crucifying him during that 5-game stretch where he was running for his life every other drop back. When he has time to throw he's looked great, even with the deep accuracy issues still evident.

[jute2003]

Eh, the average passer rating in 2008 was 83.2, and the average in '92 was 75.3 (current 2023 average is 88.3). But yeah, Love has looked exactly how you'd expect a young but talented dude to look given the lack of weapons around him. At least we're now seeing the O-line stabilize a bit, which is always the thing that makes evaluating QB's so difficult. Way too many people were busy crucifying him during that 5-game stretch where he was running for his life every other drop back. When he has time to throw he's looked great, even with the deep accuracy issues still evident.

There will be a lot of entrenched opinions that'll be hard to shake regardless of how he looks over the next year and a half.

[MVP2110]

Love is now 11th in EPA/Play among QBs

[Ron Swanson]

Also probably worth noting that Love already has more triple digit QB-rating games (4) than Rodgers had all of last season (3)...

[MickeyDavis]

Favre had prime Sterling Sharpe (108 receptions, 1,461 yards, 13 TD's) and TE Jackie Harris (80 receptions). Rodgers had Driver, Jennings and rookie Jordy. Too early to tell how our young receivers will compare.

[MVP2110]

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[ReasonablySober]

Not that it matters at all. No reason to extend him until next summer, minimum.

[Treebeard]

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Wasn't that kind of a calculated risk, given the very short book on JL before the regular season started. There was lots of practice eval, but only the wretched KC game (where MLF cocked up) and the encouraging Eagles game.

I'm also thinking of the Gary and Jenkins extensions - both coming off serious injury. In all three situations, the Packer FO made good faith judgements on potential.

[ReasonablySober]

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Wasn't that kind of a calculated risk, given the very short book on JL before the regular season started. There was lots of practice eval, but only the wretched KC game (where MLF cocked up) and the encouraging Eagles game.

I'm also thinking of the Gary and Jenkins extensions - both coming off serious injury. In all three situations, the Packer FO made good faith judgements on potential.

It's actually the opposite. Love opted for a little more money this season in order to get a very below market guarantee next season. He could have forced the Packers to extend him or make a $20+ million call on the fifth year option. Instead he just straight up bet against himself, and now the Packers don't need to make a decision on him until the spring of of 2025.

[Treebeard]

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Wasn't that kind of a calculated risk, given the very short book on JL before the regular season started. There was lots of practice eval, but only the wretched KC game (where MLF cocked up) and the encouraging Eagles game.

I'm also thinking of the Gary and Jenkins extensions - both coming off serious injury. In all three situations, the Packer FO made good faith judgements on potential.

It's actually the opposite. Love opted for a little more money this season in order to get a very below market guarantee next season. He could have forced the Packers to extend him or make a $20+ million call on the fifth year option. Instead he just straight up bet against himself, and now the Packers don't need to make a decision on him until the spring of of 2025.

I think you're giving him more leverage than what existed. I would expect his agent did quite a bit of due diligence on what he might expect.

[ReasonablySober]

Wasn't that kind of a calculated risk, given the very short book on JL before the regular season started. There was lots of practice eval, but only the wretched KC game (where MLF cocked up) and the encouraging Eagles game.

I'm also thinking of the Gary and Jenkins extensions - both coming off serious injury. In all three situations, the Packer FO made good faith judgements on potential.

It's actually the opposite. Love opted for a little more money this season in order to get a very below market guarantee next season. He could have forced the Packers to extend him or make a $20+ million call on the fifth year option. Instead he just straight up bet against himself, and now the Packers don't need to make a decision on him until the spring of of 2025.

I think you're giving him more leverage than what existed. I would expect his agent did quite a bit of due diligence on what he might expect.

I said all along that the Packers weren't going to pay him the 5th year option because of how high the cap number was. I figured that the Packers would cut bait and take a new QB in the '24 draft, or he would get extended.

What I never expected was for Love to do the Packers a massive solid by limiting his earning potential in '24 at the expense of a few more bucks in '23. If Love continues to improve and show he's a legit starting QB, he will have absolutely screwed himself by tens of millions of dollars.

[Kerb Hohl]

It's actually the opposite. Love opted for a little more money this season in order to get a very below market guarantee next season. He could have forced the Packers to extend him or make a $20+ million call on the fifth year option. Instead he just straight up bet against himself, and now the Packers don't need to make a decision on him until the spring of of 2025.

I think you're giving him more leverage than what existed. I would expect his agent did quite a bit of due diligence on what he might expect.

I said all along that the Packers weren't going to pay him the 5th year option because of how high the cap number was. I figured that the Packers would cut bait and take a new QB in the '24 draft, or he would get extended.

What I never expected was for Love to do the Packers a massive solid by limiting his earning potential in '24 at the expense of a few more bucks in '23. If Love continues to improve and show he's a legit starting QB, he will have absolutely screwed himself by tens of millions of dollars.

What about the fact that he is an unrestricted, uninhibited free agent since you yourself are saying they can't/won't do anything until the Spring of 2025?

He won't be in the traditional QB track of being extended with 1 year left on his current deal. He gets to bet on himself next year.

[ReasonablySober]

I think you're giving him more leverage than what existed. I would expect his agent did quite a bit of due diligence on what he might expect.

I said all along that the Packers weren't going to pay him the 5th year option because of how high the cap number was. I figured that the Packers would cut bait and take a new QB in the '24 draft, or he would get extended.

What I never expected was for Love to do the Packers a massive solid by limiting his earning potential in '24 at the expense of a few more bucks in '23. If Love continues to improve and show he's a legit starting QB, he will have absolutely screwed himself by tens of millions of dollars.

What about the fact that he is an unrestricted, uninhibited free agent since you yourself are saying they can't/won't do anything until the Spring of 2025?

He won't be in the traditional QB track of being extended with 1 year left on his current deal. He gets to bet on himself next year.

The franchise tag is a thing that exists. Unless you're Kirk Cousins, you won't play on the tag.

[MVP2110]

There's certainly no reason to extend him until the offseason but if we believe he's the guy I don't think you can let it get to the point where you'd have to use the franchise tag. While in a vacuum the tag is a great piece of leverage, it often leads to a souring of the relationship between the player & team and rarely actually works out for the two sides long term. If they determine after this season that he's the long term guy then you extend him this offseason

[LUKE23]

He’s going to get extended this summer assuming he doesn’t bomb the last six games. If he reverts back to that 4-5 game stretch prior to the Rams game, I could see them wanting to see more in 2024 before they make a decision. But if he continues play at or similar to the last four games it’s getting done this summer.