Packers 2020 Offseason Thread - Packers Talking Extension with Aaron Jones

[MAC1987]

but he isn't the reason the team lost this game and there isn't any viable replacement on the horizon, start thinking about it sure but no reason to be in a hurry.

Agree Rodgers is absolutely not the reason the team lost. .

Out of the 4 NFC Championship games Rodgers has played in, yesterday was probably his best game out of the 4.



I find it interesting that Rodgers has played in 4 NFC championship games and he has turned into Brett Favre@Dallas in every single one of them. He's been terrible and an absolute turnover machine in not 1 or 2 of them, but all 4. I know the apologists/homers will take the 1,000 foot view and say But he was playing against good defenses. But if you go back and look, he's thrown 7 INTS in the 4 games and almost all of them were Favre-like bad throws and he's missed a bunch of throws with a clean pocket to guys who were wide open.

ARod is absolutely a big reason they lost. 3 Turnovers in the 1st half certainly doesnt help the moral of the team and the Defense.
Did you see ARod try to get the team back into it the way Pat Mahomes did when down against Texans? Nope he had his normal pouty face. Hes a weak leader. He needed to be more vocal and make some plays. He didnt.

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[rilamann]

Agree Rodgers is absolutely not the reason the team lost. .

Out of the 4 NFC Championship games Rodgers has played in, yesterday was probably his best game out of the 4.



I find it interesting that Rodgers has played in 4 NFC championship games and he has turned into Brett Favre@Dallas in every single one of them. He's been terrible and an absolute turnover machine in not 1 or 2 of them, but all 4. I know the apologists/homers will take the 1,000 foot view and say But he was playing against good defenses. But if you go back and look, he's thrown 7 INTS in the 4 games and almost all of them were Favre-like bad throws and he's missed a bunch of throws with a clean pocket to guys who were wide open.

ARod is absolutely a big reason they lost. 3 Turnovers in the 1st half certainly doesnt help the moral of the team and the Defense.
Did you see ARod try to get the team back into it the way Pat Mahomes did when down against Texans? Nope he had his normal pouty face. Hes a weak leader. He needed to be more vocal and make some plays. He didnt.

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It's always everyone else's fault and judging by Aaron Rodgers' body language, he would agree with that...lol.

[ibanezjp]

I’m really struggling with the “how did this happen” as far as giving up record rushing yards. Yes our run defense was not great all year but never bad enough to give up that many. Nobody had beat us like that all year so it wasn’t like there was a template. Also our tackling had gotten much tighter down the stretch. The obvious big reaction would be to fire Petine the way Capers should have been fired after the Kaep game in 2012. Was it that Shanahan just massively out coached Petine? Even so Petine was good enough to get this team to 13-3 when the offense’s numbers were about as productive as the 6-9-1 team last year, so that makes me think the defense was the biggest reason for our turnaround. We knew what the offseason holes were gonna be prior to this game (getting more weapons on offense) but now giving up this many rush yards kinda makes you re-think. Although the only obvious holes on D are ILB and maybe another D line guy. It’s not like in 2012 where you could see we needed help in all levels of the D. Obviously the offense pissing itself in the first half did not help the defense and I wonder how much of yesterday’s performance on D was their will just being broke by seeing the offense crap the bed but that first TD they gave up to Mostert looked like the rest of the game which leads me to believe it was more scheme, like they didn’t think the 49ers would be running it so much almost like we dared them to run. I’m just really scratching my head on this one. Also I don’t think Rodgers is done but after seeing the inaccuracy this year it’s scares me how quick he might fall of a cliff when he really loses it. I feel it will be drastic like Peyton Manning where he went from MVP season in 2013 to a noodle arm in 2015. Yes they won the owl but that defense was historic.

[Jollay]

Second, the difference in speed between the two teams jumped off the field. Mostert was the fastest player in the game, and 49ers receiver Deebo Samuel and tight end George Kittle are big and fast too. On defense, the 49ers’ front seven, which includes five first-round draft picks in the defensive line rotation, played a tick faster than the Packers’ offense.

The contrast with the Packers’ lack of speed at key positions was stark.

For one, they’re too slow at inside linebacker with Blake Martinez and B.J. Goodson. That position has been devalued in the NFL in the past 15 or 20 years as the league has become more passing oriented, but it might be time for that to change.

The AJ Hawk draft pick cost us in so many ways. It helped create a stupid mindset here that ILB is not worth expending high picks or FA money for. Ask the Steelers if they agree or see if the Panthers don't do everything in their power to replace Kuechly as best they can.

That's stupid when you run a 3-4. As is our stupid legion of undrafted safeties to somehow plug the gap in the new NFL.

You could really argue the lack of emphasis on the position cost us at least one SB appearance. Kaepernick ran over us with the stupid read option crap way more than anybody else.

Imagine us trying to stop Lamar Jackson or Derrick Henry. F'ing idiots. There are ILB ers who can pursue sideline to sideline and still cover like our **** undrafted FA safeties.

[Ron Swanson]

- Take a blowtorch to the entire LB and TE corps (outside of Sternberger).

- Add a WR and another O-lineman either via draft or free agency.

- Pay Kenny Clark all the money.

Disagree about all this "long ways to go" stuff. There's too much year-to-year parity in the NFL and so many of these kinds of takes are reactionary. The Niners get blown out by the Chiefs in the SB and all the articles about a potential Chiefs dynasty and how everyone is light years behind KC will start popping up. This team is a couple, albeit key, pieces away from being dominant. Need guys like Gary and Savage to take sophomore leaps along with a couple depth signings. Need one more play-maker on offense (either TE or WR). That's not some tall task to accomplish and we'll have ample draft assets and salary cap to accomplish it.

My only worry is that we potentially wasted two historic years by Aaron Jones and ZaDarius Smith, but both guys are young enough for me to believe that they'll continue to produce at an elite level.

[Treebeard]

^^^ In addition, I think they need to add an additional option at RB. Jones is certainly dynamic, but the shelf life of running backs is short and he takes a pounding every week. If he goes down, the depth chart is thin after him.

[Jollay]

Even so Petine was good enough to get this team to 13-3 when the offense’s numbers were about as productive as the 6-9-1 team last year, so that makes me think the defense was the biggest reason for our turnaround.

Yeah but our GM gave him the Smiths and Amos and two first rounders to do it. 4 years, 155 million.

I might be wrong about the specifics, but the 18th ranked defense in 2018 improved to the 18th ranked defense in 2019.

That's with Zadarius playing like an absolute injury-free animal the entire year.

[MAC1987]

^^^ In addition, I think they need to add an additional option at RB. Jones is certainly dynamic, but the shelf life of running backs is short and he takes a pounding every week. If he goes down, the depth chart is thin after him.

We struggled on short conversions especially at the goal line. Aaron Jones is tough but he took some hits. I think a bigger RB is the way to go in the draft. I mean thats not saying much considering Jones is barely 200lbs

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[stillgotgame]

Speed at linebacker has to be the priority. San Fran was so much faster than us it was ridiculous. As others have said this has been a weakness of ours for years.

[msiris]

Packers need to draft better. We wasted our best 1st pick in years on a pile of ****.

[WeekapaugGroove]

Crosby for sure, it's not the time to **** around and break in a new kicker.

Probably Bulaga unless another better more healthy option is staring them in the face. If Veldeer was willing to come back as a reasonably priced swing T I'd be fine with that.

I never want to see Graham, Allison, Martinez in a packer uni again.

As far as drafting a QB it someone they absolutely love is there then sure but I'd probably just wait until Rodgers is done then figure it out. Need all the resources possible for a 2-3 yr run then retool. Best resource you can have is a starting QB on a rookie deal and you burn years of that sitting behind Rodgers.

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[ibanezjp]

Even so Petine was good enough to get this team to 13-3 when the offense’s numbers were about as productive as the 6-9-1 team last year, so that makes me think the defense was the biggest reason for our turnaround.

Yeah but our GM gave him the Smiths and Amos and two first rounders to do it. 4 years, 155 million.

I might be wrong about the specifics, but the 18th ranked defense in 2018 improved to the 18th ranked defense in 2019.

That's with Zadarius playing like an absolute injury-free animal the entire year.

But something was a big difference to go from 6-9-1 to 13-3. Yes this team won some close games that last years team lost but I believe the fact that we were top 5 in red zone on both sides of the ball was the biggest difference.

I think the problem with the red zone numbers is that truly elite defenses that are responsible for winning Super Bowls can simply stop the other team and force them to punt instead letting them put together long drives that end up in FG’s. On offense it’s just harder for us to score in the red zone in the playoffs because you’re playing the best defenses.

[tski1972]

Lots of holes to fill.

UFA

Bulaga
Williams
Crosby
Veldheer
Allison
Lewis
Grant
Fackrell
Goodson
Campbell
Martinez

Bulaga - only if you have no other options, his best years are behind him
Williams - no
Crosby - yes
Veldeer - he retired for a reason.
Allison - shouldn't have made the team this year
Lewis - if he takes a team friendly deal, yes
Grant - no
Fackrell - see Lewis
Goodson - no
Campell - no
Martinez - I think his post game interview tells you he's gone.

[WeekapaugGroove]

Oh and let's go ahead and burn that god forsaken TE pass in the flat from the playbook. I don't know if I can handle seeing them run that for a 2 yard gain ever again.

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[WeekapaugGroove]

Speed at linebacker has to be the priority. San Fran was so much faster than us it was ridiculous. As others have said this has been a weakness of ours for years.

How bad must Oren Burkes look in practice? He's fast but for whatever reason they really don't trust him.

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[Treebeard]

Martinez - I think his post game interview tells you he's gone.

I missed that. What did he say?

[Profound23]

Tee Higgins or Kenneth Murray would be nice

[tski1972]

Martinez - I think his post game interview tells you he's gone.

I missed that. What did he say?

Read on Twitter

[emunney]

We've gotten a lot faster over the last couple years but we're still a relatively slow team. You just wonder how different this game would have looked if Rashan Gary played like a mid first rounder.

[Treebeard]

Martinez - I think his post game interview tells you he's gone.

I missed that. What did he say?

Read on Twitter

Yup, he does sound like that was his last game in Green Bay.