Moss could be cut

[th87]

A guy that throws 29 INTs and leads the league in overthrows and uncatchable balls is not a 'very good QB'. If he was named Jon Kitna or Trent Green people would be asking for his head.

I think one of the reasons for not getting Moss is that the front office was afraid of the public reaction. And that's one of the worst ways to run a team.

And now this point - to bring up the 29 interceptions without bringing up Taco Wallace and Andrae Thurman being starters is intellectually dishonest.

Favre's accuracy has declined? Yeah, a little. But it seemed to be fine when hitting Driver on a seam route on the first play of the game (which was dropped). Same for other passes earlier in the game. It was when he started getting knocked around and had no time to throw was when he missed Jones on the long ball.

[ReasonablySober]

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I think one of the reasons for not getting Moss is that the front office was afraid of the public reaction. And that's one of the worst ways to run a team.

And now this point - to bring up the 29 interceptions without bringing up Taco Wallace and Andrae Thurman being starters is intellectually dishonest.

Favre's accuracy has declined? Yeah, a little. But it seemed to be fine when hitting Driver on a seam route on the first play of the game (which was dropped). Same for other passes earlier in the game. It was when he started getting knocked around and had no time to throw was when he missed Jones on the long ball.

Well, once Jennings is healthy he'll have the 2nd best WR corp he's ever had. If Favre's accuracy has only declined 'a little', I should expect big things out of this passing game.

[BuckPack]

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Well, once Jennings is healthy he'll have the 2nd best WR corp he's ever had. If Favre's accuracy has only declined 'a little', I should expect big things out of this passing game.

Based on what? Talent or production? B/C at this point Greg Jennings is long on the former but well short on the latter. Lest we forget, he's only had 6 games in his career where he's caught 5 or more catches in a game, only had 2 games in which he went over 100 yards and only caught 3 TDs. He followed that up with a pretty terrible preseason.

OK, that's starting WR #2.

Their #3 WR is a rookie from San Jose St. who looked very good and very raw in the preseason--Marques Colston one minute; Robert Ferguson the next. Realistically can we expect anything but a mix of both at best? I don't think so.

Martin is average and I don't even want to address what lies beneath. Sure we've got a very good #1, but he's also a bit nicked up.

Then you have the TE's...this TE tandom is with out a doubt the worst duo in the NFL.

So, I don't really care whether that's his second best WR group or not....it's still VERY questionable. We may have some talented skill players at WR and RB, but that doesn't mean they'll be any good this year.

[ReasonablySober]

Based on what?

Objective opinion. Pro Bowl WR, talented deep option in Jennings, sure handed target in Jones, big guy in Martin. The only year he had it better was When Walker and Driver both went over 1000.

[LUKE23]

I would not call Jennings a deep option. Every WR on our roster is possession WR. Regarding this being the best WR corp he's had, that's debatable and will be determined on two unproven players' production.

Throughout Favre's career he really hasn't had that much WR talent. I mean, he made Bill Schroeder look like a good WR. Antonio Freeman looked much better than he actually was when he was here (did nothing after leaving Green Bay). Walker and Sharpe were both good, but he only had them for minimal time frames. I do agree this years crop looks better than most, but it's still not an elite group by any stretch leaguewide and is relying on two unproven players, neither of who is a deep threat.

[xTitan]

I would not call Jennings a deep option. Every WR on our roster is possession WR. Regarding this being the best WR corp he's had, that's debatable and will be determined on two unproven players' production.

Throughout Favre's career he really hasn't had that much WR talent. I mean, he made Bill Schroeder look like a good WR. Antonio Freeman looked much better than he actually was when he was here (did nothing after leaving Green Bay). Walker and Sharpe were both good, but he only had them for minimal time frames. I do agree this years crop looks better than most, but it's still not an elite group by any stretch.

You don't need elite receivers to win a title....other then the Colts last year the last team with great receivers who won a title was the Rams.....you need a great offensive line and someone who can carry the mail......the line is terribly disappointing at this point.

[ReasonablySober]

I would not call Jennings a deep option. Every WR on our roster is possession WR. Regarding this being the best WR corp he's had, that's debatable and will be determined on two unproven players' production.

Throughout Favre's career he really hasn't had that much WR talent. I mean, he made Bill Schroeder look like a good WR. Antonio Freeman looked much better than he actually was when he was here (did nothing after leaving Green Bay). Walker and Sharpe were both good, but he only had them for minimal time frames. I do agree this years crop looks better than most, but it's still not an elite group by any stretch leaguewide and is relying on two unproven players, neither of who is a deep threat.

Scouts Inc seems to disagree with you:

Jennings provided an explosive weapon for the Packers offense with his tremendous run-after-catch ability. He stepped in last season as a rookie and became a productive starter. Jennings is a versatile athlete capable of returning punts and kicks, but he quickly became one of Brett Favres favorite weapons as a complement to Donald Driver. Jennings shows good technique releasing off the line of scrimmage and can read coverage, finding soft spots in zones and a nice series of moves and acceleration to separate versus man coverage. He also plays with enough of an extra gear and body control to be a serious deep threat. He uses great quickness and change of direction skills to beat defenders in space. He is a smooth route-runner and uses his burst to get into and out of his cuts quickly. Jennings did miss some game time with injuries but it is too early to label him a durability problem. Overall, Jennings made a very positive offensive impact for the Packers and has the ability to develop into an elite receiver.

He's got 4.42 speed. He averaged 17.2 yards per catch when healthy last season.

What about that says 'possession WR'?

[LUKE23]

I could give a crap what Scout Inc. says, for one.

And please, the 17.2 YPR shows he's great at one thing, something that was his calling card coming into the draft, YAC. There's a difference between being a deep threat and being great after the catch, and Jennings is the latter, unarguably.

All of our WR's are good route runners, have good hands (although DD is starting to slip a bit) and can get yards after the reception. None of them are considered a deep threat or a guy you have to worry about deep.

[Ayt]

I would not call Jennings a deep option. Every WR on our roster is possession WR. Regarding this being the best WR corp he's had, that's debatable and will be determined on two unproven players' production.

Throughout Favre's career he really hasn't had that much WR talent. I mean, he made Bill Schroeder look like a good WR. Antonio Freeman looked much better than he actually was when he was here (did nothing after leaving Green Bay). Walker and Sharpe were both good, but he only had them for minimal time frames. I do agree this years crop looks better than most, but it's still not an elite group by any stretch leaguewide and is relying on two unproven players, neither of who is a deep threat.

I think you are labeling Jenning and Jones as possession types way to early.

Jennings specifically already had a number of big play receptions last year when he was healthy (75 TD, 46 TD, 30). He has very good speed and an excellent understanding of how to play the ball and his man in order to make his catch.

Jones showed on one play in the preseason that he can time his jump and go up and snag a jump ball. He had his man burned yesterday for a huge TD when Favre over threw him.

Its way too early to label them possession guys. Its a disservice to both in my mind, especially Jennings, since we've already seen what he can do.

I expect a number of big gains by our WRs against a shoddy NY secondary this coming sunday. RW freakin McQuarters is one of their starting CBs for the love of Pete.

[ReasonablySober]

Except Greg Jennings.

I don't understand how you can even argue this.

Kiper: "Quick, has deep speed.

I started to go back and look up all his predraft articles that talk about his home run hitting ability, but there were so many that it became pointless. Look for yourself.

[ReasonablySober]

Thompson even specifically said of Jones that what stood out most about him was his ability to catch the jump ball. Ball goes up, he comes down with it. I don't know about you, but I rarely see a jump ball tossed on a 6 yard slant or a 10 yard crossing pattern.

[Ayt]

I think we'll see more downfield passes this coming week against a D that isn't anything like the Philly D when it comes to pressuring the QB and locking down WR's with good CB's.

Jennings is a near lock to play. He said himself that he wanted to play this week, but McCarthy wanted to hold him out since a re-tweak of the hammy could have had it linger well into the season.

[paulpressey25]

We are labeling all these guys as "possession" receiver's right now because they are playing with Brett as QB. And Brett as QB is being restrained to throwing short balls because his long ball isn't there anymore.

That's smart because 2005 was a disaster where Sherm let him throw like crazy long and short. MM reigned him in last year and put him in a disciplined offense.

I'm not convinced having a better WR core makes a big difference for Favre right now.

The running game is a different story. That could help him a lot, because it would take some pressure off him.

[deep throat]

We are labeling all these guys as "possession" receiver's right now because they are playing with Brett as QB. And Brett as QB is being restrained to throwing short balls because his long ball isn't there anymore.

That's smart because 2005 was a disaster where Sherm let him throw like crazy long and short. MM reigned him in last year and put him in a disciplined offense.

I'm not convinced having a better WR core makes a big difference for Favre right now.

The running game is a different story. That could help him a lot, because it would take some pressure off him.

I disagree- I don't know how you can really make much of a determination of Favre going long-He really has had only two homerun threats in his reign- Walker and Bradford. It takes two to tangle, he had success with both. He hasn't gone long enough to make any kind of evaluation on how good he is. he never has had pin-point Dan fouts like deep ball accuracy, but how many have. You can't deny he has the arm strength, when he had Javon they linked up a lot with the long ball -again it takes two to tangle. In 2004 (his last year with Javon) he had one of his best years, I don't see the big dropoff from then to now. The other thing is he doesnt have the time with the current line.

[ReasonablySober]

The phrase is 'two to tango'.

But I agree, the offensive line was atrocious. The running game wasn't a huge surprise, but the pass blocking sure was. I've never seen them get beat so badly.

[Ayt]

Week 1 is always ugly. We had our issues, but look at the ugliness from the Eagles side as well (ST gaffes, McNabb with a terrible game, etc). I'm just glad we came out on top.

[Johnny Newman]

Well with 183 yards receiving and a TD. I think he be on the waiver wire pretty quick. hehehhehe

[Jollay]

Thompson even specifically said of Jones that what stood out most about him was his ability to catch the jump ball. Ball goes up, he comes down with it. I don't know about you, but I rarely see a jump ball tossed on a 6 yard slant or a 10 yard crossing pattern.

Yes, if we ever get close to the endzone, I expect Jones to hopefully be an upgrade from last year as a red zone target.

Reche Caldwell to the Redskins, who were seeking a veteran receiver to back up Moss and Randle El.

Why would they do that DB, if they've got no chance at the Superbowl?

Sigh. I just wanted anyone.

[xTitan]

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Yes, if we ever get close to the endzone, I expect Jones to hopefully be an upgrade from last year as a red zone target.

Reche Caldwell to the Redskins, who were seeking a veteran receiver to back up Moss and Randle El.

Why would they do that DB, if they've got no chance at the Superbowl?

Sigh. I just wanted anyone.

Caldwell would not break the Packers 3 deep, no way in hell, and might even have an issue with beating out Ruevel Martin, who is under-rated as 4's go..............That just goes to the absolute greatness of Tom Brady, that he could lead his team within a half of making it to the superbowl with Caldwell as his #1 reciever....and you could easily nmake the arguement that Caldwell's drops that cost the Pats the Superbowl.

[KronDon]

Moss handed me a loss in my week 1 fantasy game, so fk him. The hate on this board for Favre is hillarious, some of you sound like scorned women.