2020 Draft Thread

Treebeard · Post #601 » by **Treebeard** » Wed Apr 22, 2020 12:11 pm

Profound23 wrote:CBSsports with the worst mock draft ever.

Jordyn Brooks as our first round pick.....but they have him ranked as their 139th best player and 11th best linebacker.

I love looking through the mocks, but by this point, they're just mostly clickbait. They throw names into a bucket and shuffle them around after Burrow and Young.

Matches Malone · Post #602 » by **Matches Malone** » Wed Apr 22, 2020 1:29 pm

JayMKE wrote:Trading up for a developmental QB would be ultimate insult to injury with Rodgers, I'd much rather just sign a decent veteran back up QB to fill in when need be. I don't understand why anybody would be in a hurry to push Rodgers out of the door, he just said he wants to play into his 40s so there is no intention on retiring just yet. There will be other guys in future drafts closer to when this will be a problem, other bigger needs to be filled. You gotta be convinced a guy is a HOFer to put them on such a development plan, it worked with Rodgers but that doesn't mean it will again.

I'm with you in that I think we'd be fine if we went a few seasons without getting the replacement QB for Rodgers, but he's also at the point in his career where his play could POTENTIALLY drop drastically as he ages. Playing devils advocate, I'd hate to be in a situation where we have to limp into games with Rodgers playing so poorly with no hope behind. Obviously that's a big "what if" scenario and I doubt Rodgers would have a dramatic drop in play (Fingers crossed), but I could see why they'd take a QB as soon as this year.

Matches Malone · Post #603 » by **Matches Malone** » Wed Apr 22, 2020 1:32 pm

Is it crazy to put Henry Ruggs III as WR1 for this draft? I'm loving everything about him. I could see him easily coming out of this draft as the best WR. I like Lamb and Jeudy but if you get Ruggs in an offense that will utilize him correctly (Think Hill in KC), he could be something special.

M-C-G · Post #604 » by **M-C-G** » Wed Apr 22, 2020 1:44 pm

Matches Malone wrote:Is it crazy to put Henry Ruggs III as WR1 for this draft? I'm loving everything about him. I could see him easily coming out of this draft as the best WR. I like Lamb and Jeudy but if you get Ruggs in an offense that will utilize him correctly (Think Hill in KC), he could be something special.

I'm wondering if he is more TY Hilton than Hill. This draft just has such an incredible and diverse group of WR. Speed guys, Tall guys, YAC guys, etc. I just hope these guys pan out, will be exciting for the league.

LittleRooster · Post #605 » by **LittleRooster** » Wed Apr 22, 2020 1:51 pm

Matches Malone wrote:Is it crazy to put Henry Ruggs III as WR1 for this draft? I'm loving everything about him. I could see him easily coming out of this draft as the best WR. I like Lamb and Jeudy but if you get Ruggs in an offense that will utilize him correctly (Think Hill in KC), he could be something special.

I’m very skeptical of Ruggs and would rather have someone like Justin Jefferson or Reagor

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JayMKE · Post #606 » by **JayMKE** » Wed Apr 22, 2020 1:52 pm

Matches Malone wrote:
JayMKE wrote:Trading up for a developmental QB would be ultimate insult to injury with Rodgers, I'd much rather just sign a decent veteran back up QB to fill in when need be. I don't understand why anybody would be in a hurry to push Rodgers out of the door, he just said he wants to play into his 40s so there is no intention on retiring just yet. There will be other guys in future drafts closer to when this will be a problem, other bigger needs to be filled. You gotta be convinced a guy is a HOFer to put them on such a development plan, it worked with Rodgers but that doesn't mean it will again.

I'm with you in that I think we'd be fine if we went a few seasons without getting the replacement QB for Rodgers, but he's also at the point in his career where his play could POTENTIALLY drop drastically as he ages. Playing devils advocate, I'd hate to be in a situation where we have to limp into games with Rodgers playing so poorly with no hope behind. Obviously that's a big "what if" scenario and I doubt Rodgers would have a dramatic drop in play (Fingers crossed), but I could see why they'd take a QB as soon as this year.

I think its a pretty big risk to use a 1st on QB who will under the best case scenario will be sitting for 2-3 years at least before you get a look at them, I guess you never know when Rodgers completely falls off(I'd be worried about him getting injured) but I'd like to have the best possible chance to win now. One thing that always bothered me about Favre's departure was TT being hesitant to get him more weapons, I don't want a repeat of the same situation or for Rodgers to be pushed out and there shouldn't be without the added uncertainty of is he or won't he retire.

WeekapaugGroove · Post #607 » by **WeekapaugGroove** » Wed Apr 22, 2020 2:22 pm

Matches Malone wrote:
JayMKE wrote:Trading up for a developmental QB would be ultimate insult to injury with Rodgers, I'd much rather just sign a decent veteran back up QB to fill in when need be. I don't understand why anybody would be in a hurry to push Rodgers out of the door, he just said he wants to play into his 40s so there is no intention on retiring just yet. There will be other guys in future drafts closer to when this will be a problem, other bigger needs to be filled. You gotta be convinced a guy is a HOFer to put them on such a development plan, it worked with Rodgers but that doesn't mean it will again.

I'm with you in that I think we'd be fine if we went a few seasons without getting the replacement QB for Rodgers, but he's also at the point in his career where his play could POTENTIALLY drop drastically as he ages. Playing devils advocate, I'd hate to be in a situation where we have to limp into games with Rodgers playing so poorly with no hope behind. Obviously that's a big "what if" scenario and I doubt Rodgers would have a dramatic drop in play (Fingers crossed), but I could see why they'd take a QB as soon as this year.

I get what you're saying with the fall off a cliff but to me I take that chance and if happens oh well then you're just bad for a year and in a position to draft a QB high.

I absolutely would not trade up for Tua, thats crazy. I'm not really interested in drafting a QB in the 1st but I have to admit some of what I've heard about Love is kind of intriguing, seems to be uber talented.

I'd be very curious to get their honest opinion of Tim Boyle. They might like him more than people outside the building evidenced by them not bringing in a vet this spring when there are actually some dudes available. He's an interesting case because he has zero college pedegre but does have some tools. I'm not making a case he's the future starter but they might actually think he's a fine 2.

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Matches Malone · Post #608 » by **Matches Malone** » Wed Apr 22, 2020 2:24 pm

Haven't heard much about Marlon Davidson. I'd be pretty underwhelmed with that pick. I love Ross Blacklock though. Still, I think WR or O-Line might be the move imo.

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Daver · Post #609 » by **Daver** » Wed Apr 22, 2020 2:42 pm

Matches Malone wrote:Haven't heard much about Marlon Davidson. I'd be pretty underwhelmed with that pick. I love Ross Blacklock though. Still, I think WR or O-Line might be the move imo.

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If this guy thinks mimms ceiling is a 3rd wr.Wow holy hell i want no part of that guy.The packers dont have a #2 guy as it is now i would prefer the 1st round wr to be either the starting slot guy or opposite adams.Am i asking to much of a 1st rounder but being capable of being the 3rd wr doesnt sound like much

Matches Malone · Post #610 » by **Matches Malone** » Wed Apr 22, 2020 2:45 pm

I’m not sure he means his ceiling is a 3rd WR. I think he means in terms of immediate impact to a team. But yeah, if he did mean ceiling, he’s crazy.

Karmaloop · Post #611 » by **Karmaloop** » Wed Apr 22, 2020 3:09 pm

RiotPunch wrote:Long time no see, brother, how ya been?

What are you hoping to see us do this weekend?

Good. Still posting on that other message board. Just kinda lurk on this one tbh.

Honestly, I think there's a number of directions they could go. I think Josh Jones and Ross Blacklock are the two guys I'm keeping my eye on this weekend. I think there's a strong chance that one of those two are our FRP. Not sure Josh Jones will be on the board. Seems like a reasonable draft to move back a few spots into early second round and pick up an early Day 3 pick. I think Gute is probably looking to move up from our SRP, so he could package those fourths to make a decent jump up the board.

Karmaloop · Post #612 » by **Karmaloop** » Wed Apr 22, 2020 3:10 pm

Daver wrote:If this guy thinks mimms ceiling is a 3rd wr.Wow holy hell i want no part of that guy.The packers dont have a #2 guy as it is now i would prefer the 1st round wr to be either the starting slot guy or opposite adams.Am i asking to much of a 1st rounder but being capable of being the 3rd wr doesnt sound like much

Anyone who thinks that Mims' uspide is WR3 or that they think a WR3 is a highly valued position clearly doesn't know what they're talking about. Right now, there are four WRs (Lamb, Jeudy, Ruggs, and Jefferson) that I think have separated themselves from the pack. But WR4+ are going to vary from person to person.

Daver · Post #613 » by **Daver** » Wed Apr 22, 2020 3:26 pm

Matches Malone wrote:I’m not sure he means his ceiling is a 3rd WR. I think he means in terms of immediate impact to a team. But yeah, if he did mean ceiling, he’s crazy.

I read this week that because of the O that baylor ran mims needs to greatly improve on his route running.Im hoping mims is more than just a red zone guy because rogers pet peeve is a wr that cant run a route.
They had janus as a red zone guy man i want my 1st round wr to do more than just fly patterns

Post #614 » by **ReasonablySober** » Wed Apr 22, 2020 3:37 pm

I'm torn on Blacklock and Davidson. They're both one gap penetrators and conceivably be upgrades to Lowry and Lancaster. On the other hand, I'm not sure they're a whole tier above second day guys like Davis, Madubuike, Elliot, and Lynch.

raysbookclub · Post #615 » by **raysbookclub** » Wed Apr 22, 2020 3:55 pm

I like Mims a lot. Maybe his route film not that great in the Baylor offense, but he looks pretty good here at the Senior Bowl

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He's sub-4.4; we need speed. Reminds me of Jordy in terms of the down field threat, chews up yards with his stride.

There's a lot of good WRs this year though...

Post #616 » by **ReasonablySober** » Wed Apr 22, 2020 4:04 pm

Mims is Josh Gordon without the off the field issues. He'll be a star with the right system.

sdn40 · Post #617 » by **sdn40** » Wed Apr 22, 2020 4:55 pm

To my totally untrained eye, reps #2 and #4 shows what it can be, and /or what it needs to be for Mims. For whatever reason some of his other reps look either lazy, or he just relies too much on being physical. As TJ Houshmanzadeh said, speed doesn't been anything, it's how fast you can stop. That means to me how sudden are you without telegraphing, which is harder for bigger receivers to master. Mims getting tangled up trying to be physical every play won't serve him well. Greg Jennings suddenness was elite

MAC1987 · Post #618 » by **MAC1987** » Wed Apr 22, 2020 5:37 pm

To many holes with WR, oline and D to consider a QB early in the draft.

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Wizardofwisc · Post #619 » by **Wizardofwisc** » Wed Apr 22, 2020 5:42 pm

sdn40 wrote:To my totally untrained eye, reps #2 and #4 shows what it can be, and /or what it needs to be for Mims. For whatever reason some of his other reps look either lazy, or he just relies too much on being physical. As TJ Houshmanzadeh said, speed doesn't been anything, it's how fast you can stop. That means to me how sudden are you without telegraphing, which is harder for bigger receivers to master. Mims getting tangled up trying to be physical every play won't serve him well. Greg Jennings suddenness was elite

I agree with everything you said. When I watch Mims, I see lazy routes. Rounded routes. Routes that in the NFL will get you in trouble fast. This doesn't mean he can't be elite but as I watch his tape, I see a guy who has been physically more dominate and thus has never had to use his "suddenness" to get open.

I love his height speed combination. Really like his ball skills. His release is also not bad. I would grade it as average. Clean up the route running and spacing and he could really be something. I just don't see that in his film yet.

M-C-G · Post #620 » by **M-C-G** » Wed Apr 22, 2020 6:41 pm

MAC1987 wrote:To many holes with WR, oline and D to consider a QB early in the draft.

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Yep, if anything I am hoping a QB is there and teams want to trade up, net us an extra third round pick we can use on a OT. So hopefully something like;

Early 2nd - Reagor/Aiyuk/Mims/Hamler
2nd - Taylor/Dobbins/Swift/Clyde EH
Early 3rd - Ben Bartch or insert OL of choice
3rd - Logan Wilson/Malik Harrison/Troy Dye/Willie Gay Jr
4th - Albert O/Antonio Gibson/IOL/DL
5th - James Morgan or Dev QB
6th - Pure size/speed lottery ticket secondary
6th - Pure size/speed lottery ticket offense/KR

And then depth. I'd be pretty excited about the draft breaking out that way. If none of the RBs are there, I'd probably OT there, and then maybe Cam Akers in the third.