2022 NFL Draft discussion

[sdn40]

Amari Rodgers, notable physical freak and RAS monster.

Not sure what you're saying - but Amari was not a physical freak or an RAS monster. Gute has stuck with high end RAS guys in the First Round. With regard to Olave and Wilson, Green Bay hasn't drafted a WR under 195 lbs IIRC.

Your sarcasm detector is busted.

Wouldn't be the first time

[ReasonablySober]

Some interesting notes from that guide I linked to earlier:

• Has Carson Strong as his top QB, though he acknowledges he doesn't have his medicals and it's a factor

• Drake London is his #1 WR:

In the pros, London would be best used in a Packers-style offense that likes to invert its receivers: the big bodies shuffling inside and the smaller, shifty receivers moving outside. Some teams will prefer one version; some teams, the other. Wherever he lines up, I’d pound the table for this kid -- and to me he’s a top 10 player.

George Pickens is his #2:

There is no doubt in my mind that he’s the most physically talented WR in this class and in five years time he could be an All Pro. But he has to prove he’s mentally ready for the challenge.

followed by:
Olave
Williams
Burks
Wilson
Dotson
Metchie
Bell
Watson

• Cross is his #1 OT, followed by Neal, Ekwonu, and Lucas. Those are his Day 1 starters.

• Super high on Devonte Wyatt:

The get-off king, Wyatt comes to the NFL with some outstanding tape off the back of a season where the light fully came on for him. He’s big, fast, explosive and has the ability to take over a game inside.

• Thinks Davis is a two down guy and doesn't offer enough in the passing game.

Remember, this is a player who in high
school hid in bathroom stalls to avoid weightlifting, and at Georgia he considered abandoning football altogether amid early struggles. Someone used the comparison of former 49ers and Bills NT Ted Washington and I think it’s a really good one. He should have an immediate impact for someone on downs 1 and 2 in the run game, even if it doesn’t always show up on the stat sheet because his impact is as much in how he forces offensive players into the arms of others because of his size and power as it is about making tackles himself.

• Though he's 6th in the EDGE rankings, he really likes Bonitto

I wouldn’t be surprised if a crafty DC turns Bonitto into one of the best players to come out of this draft, using his athletic ability as an OLB in a 34 front who reduces up on obvious passing downs. One of my favourite players in the draft, this kid is a stud.

• Loves Dean.

One of my favourite players in the draft, Dean is an off-ball LB with sub- optimal size but outstanding speed, quicks and burst and instincts for days. A true three-down LB, he won’t be to everyone’s specifications because of his size, but to me he’s a pound- the-table-stud. His game translates to the next level, especially cerebrally and I have no doubt that he’s a top 10 player in this class even though he won’t go that high because of his size. He must be kept clean, but Nakobe Dean is as safe as they come and I don’t doubt that he’ll have a superior NFL career.

• Has Tindall as his 3rd ILB

He’s very physical taking on blockers both moving forwards and when they climb to meet him, he has heavy hands and he can strike and move. As a run defender he can attack gaps, he plays with leverage, stays balanced coming off contact, and he changes direction extremely well. There’s still some inconsistency in his overall game which I suspect is down to experience, and teams will worry about him playing inside at under 230lbs. But Tindall is fluid, rangy and I’d have no hesitation in taking
him in the top 40 picks. His upside is massive.

• Doesn't like Chenal, has him 13th

I don’t see too many scenarios where he’s on the field on third down’s unless it’s trying to get to the QB - Wisconsin would line him up on the defensive line in sub-packages, and even had him playing as a tilted NT, where he could flash some elite quicks. But at 250lbs he’s unlikely to be doing much of that in the NFL. Coming out of the Combine people were talking about Chenal as a possible first rounder. That’s way too rich for me. He’s absolutely got plus traits as a box LB and ST demon. But I wouldn’t commit a top 100 pick here.

• CB Rankings:
Booth
Sauce
Stingley
Gordon
McCreary
McDuffie
Elam

• Has Daxton Hill as Hamilton's 1B.

You’d worry a little with his size having to break into the box consistently against the run and in truth it removes him from what he does best which is cover. He’s a three down standout who can reduce down as a nickel on
third downs and dominate as a rangy FS on downs one and two. Talent wise, he’s a top 15 player, has a great football brain and should be a superstar.

• Likes Brisker too

But he’s as tough as old boot leather, shows
a great willingness to do whatever it takes to help the team succeed, and he should be a stone cold, bang the table prospect should he happen to fall into the second round. Brisker is a chaos agent – the kind that will immediately endear himself to whatever fan-base he winds up representing.

• And finally, The Punt God

Has the talent to go on day two but will need to curb his ability to outback his coverage units.

[Treebeard]

As I've written up-thread, I've got little clue and no clear preference on individuals in this draft.

However....

As others have mentioned, The previous Packer profile on WR's has been tall and fast guys. It appears to me that most of the first tier guys are either not real tall, but fast, OR they're tall and not particularly blazingly fast. Yeah, I know that's a generalization.....

The guys that touch both the 6'2" plus and sub-4.5 speed are: Pickens, Pierce, Watson, and Thornton. Pickens may go 1st or early 2nd round? and the others are likely day 2 or even day 3 picks.

Which way will Gute go? For the smaller and quicker blue-chip guys, or the larger Packer profile guys?

*Of course, Gute picked Dillon round 2, when most mocks had him in rounds 4 or 5....

[sdn40]

I don't think WR will be the BAP at #22 ---- OT-DL or Edge will be

Depends on any interviews - but Pickens has character issues which is usually the kiss of death for the Packers

[M-C-G]

I'm going bold take, David Bell will be one of the top 3 WR in this draft when it is all said and done. Starting to remind me a bit of a Davante or Anquan Boldin. (not stylistically, but rather just really good despite all the reasons they shouldn't be)

[Profound23]

I'm going bold take, David Bell will be one of the top 3 WR in this draft when it is all said and done. Starting to remind me a bit of a Davante or Anquan Boldin. (not stylistically, but rather just really good despite all the reasons they shouldn't be)

I like David Bell....heard the Bears really want him if possible.

[M-C-G]

Bold 2
Dotson is Diontae Johnson with better hands


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[DrWood]

Just read ESPN's evaluation of Dean:

Dean is an off-ball linebacker with fast eyes and excellent play speed. He had 143 tackles, 7.5 sacks and two interceptions over the last two seasons. He's undersized with shorter arms but has a unique trait of working through blocks in a flash. He has a violent rip move and rarely allows bigger blockers to get under his pads. Dean closes in a flash and is a highly reliable tackler in space. He plays every down like it's the last of his career. No player we've studied on the Georgia defense has played more snaps in 2021 and yet he continuously shows an outstanding motor from down-to-down. One thing that jumps out on 2021 tape is his remarkable improvement as a pass-rusher. He shows elite instincts in terms of locating gaps in the offensive line to fire through the line of scrimmage. In coverage, Dean has high-end instincts. He has very good range in zone coverage. His game tape is a treat to study. Some teams will knock Dean's size, but he has more than proved capable of overcoming that limitation in the NFL. He outplays his good but elite physical traits due to an exceptional combination of instincts, versatility and relentlessness.

and it reminds me of how Ray Lewis could have been a Packer:

"Drew Rosenhaus, my first agent, said, 'Listen, I got inside information that the Dolphins are going to take you at 20,'" Ray Lewis told ESPN in 2018. "Then the 20th pick came and I sat there, and I’m waiting for the phone to ring. And the phone doesn’t ring."

Then, the Green Bay Packers told Lewis he was their choice at 27th overall. That is until the Ravens scooped him one one slot earlier. It was so surprising to Lewis, who didn't receive the call from Baltimore until he was already selected, that he didn't quite realize who he was speaking with.

"He did go, 'Who?' 'It’s Ozzie Newsome from Baltimore.' He was like, 'Really?'" Newsome told ESPN ahead of the 25-year anniversary of the 1996 draft. "I go, 'Yeah, we just selected you.' He goes, 'Who?' There was a little give-and-take there."

Davis and Dean would be this generation's Ngata and Lewis and I think the Packers could realistically make it happen.

When's the last time the pack picked a 5'11" LB, and in which round?

[DrWood]

I'm going bold take, David Bell will be one of the top 3 WR in this draft when it is all said and done. Starting to remind me a bit of a Davante or Anquan Boldin. (not stylistically, but rather just really good despite all the reasons they shouldn't be)

I like David Bell....heard the Bears really want him if possible.

can he get open?

[ReasonablySober]

Just read ESPN's evaluation of Dean:

Dean is an off-ball linebacker with fast eyes and excellent play speed. He had 143 tackles, 7.5 sacks and two interceptions over the last two seasons. He's undersized with shorter arms but has a unique trait of working through blocks in a flash. He has a violent rip move and rarely allows bigger blockers to get under his pads. Dean closes in a flash and is a highly reliable tackler in space. He plays every down like it's the last of his career. No player we've studied on the Georgia defense has played more snaps in 2021 and yet he continuously shows an outstanding motor from down-to-down. One thing that jumps out on 2021 tape is his remarkable improvement as a pass-rusher. He shows elite instincts in terms of locating gaps in the offensive line to fire through the line of scrimmage. In coverage, Dean has high-end instincts. He has very good range in zone coverage. His game tape is a treat to study. Some teams will knock Dean's size, but he has more than proved capable of overcoming that limitation in the NFL. He outplays his good but elite physical traits due to an exceptional combination of instincts, versatility and relentlessness.

and it reminds me of how Ray Lewis could have been a Packer:

"Drew Rosenhaus, my first agent, said, 'Listen, I got inside information that the Dolphins are going to take you at 20,'" Ray Lewis told ESPN in 2018. "Then the 20th pick came and I sat there, and I’m waiting for the phone to ring. And the phone doesn’t ring."

Then, the Green Bay Packers told Lewis he was their choice at 27th overall. That is until the Ravens scooped him one one slot earlier. It was so surprising to Lewis, who didn't receive the call from Baltimore until he was already selected, that he didn't quite realize who he was speaking with.

"He did go, 'Who?' 'It’s Ozzie Newsome from Baltimore.' He was like, 'Really?'" Newsome told ESPN ahead of the 25-year anniversary of the 1996 draft. "I go, 'Yeah, we just selected you.' He goes, 'Who?' There was a little give-and-take there."

Davis and Dean would be this generation's Ngata and Lewis and I think the Packers could realistically make it happen.

When's the last time the pack picked a 5'11" LB, and in which round?

I don't know and I don't give a ****...?

[DrWood]

I don't think WR will be the BAP at #22 ---- OT-DL or Edge will be

Depends on any interviews - but Pickens has character issues which is usually the kiss of death for the Packers

There's a chance that one of the top 4 WR will be there. The high value OT will be the first 3 guys, who won't be there at #22. There's a chance one of the GA DT will be there.

[DrWood]

Just read ESPN's evaluation of Dean:



and it reminds me of how Ray Lewis could have been a Packer:



Davis and Dean would be this generation's Ngata and Lewis and I think the Packers could realistically make it happen.

When's the last time the pack picked a 5'11" LB, and in which round?

I don't know and I don't give a ****...?

ya know, living in reality can be kinda pleasant.

[DrWood]

For as great as this WR class is supposed to be, every guy has legit concerns. Toss in GB's size and agility thresholds, and it makes it pretty difficult to forecast anything with any type of accuracy as far as how GB may rank these guys. Probably another under the radar guy ala Jennings or Nelson.

Barring injury or selection by an idiot organization, the OSU WRs are about as sure of a thing as there is.

And neither meet GB's threshold for weight / body type.

Olave's 6'

[Profound23]

I'm going bold take, David Bell will be one of the top 3 WR in this draft when it is all said and done. Starting to remind me a bit of a Davante or Anquan Boldin. (not stylistically, but rather just really good despite all the reasons they shouldn't be)

I like David Bell....heard the Bears really want him if possible.

can he get open?

I feel Bell and London are similar, of course London is taller so that helps. I question if either can get open in the NFL, but it's worth a shot if you can get them at the right spot.

When's the last time the pack picked a 5'11" LB, and in which round?

I don't know and I don't give a ****...?

ya know, living in reality can be kinda pleasant.

My track record with ILB's in the draft have been so bad, I wouldn't be mad if we pass on the guys I like at that position.

My track record with WRs in the draft have been so good, I will be mad if we pass on those guys.

[ReasonablySober]

Barring injury or selection by an idiot organization, the OSU WRs are about as sure of a thing as there is.

And neither meet GB's threshold for weight / body type.

Olave's 6'

When's the last time the Packers drafted a 6'0" 180 lb WR? Here's a hint.

[sdn40]

Chris Simms just did his LB rankings and said Chenal was better than Dean at everything. He said his biggest weakness is that "he's white."

[sdn40]

Barring injury or selection by an idiot organization, the OSU WRs are about as sure of a thing as there is.

And neither meet GB's threshold for weight / body type.

Olave's 6'

And 150 lbs - and zero YAC - won't block - and is scared of catching balls over the middle

[ReasonablySober]

Chris Simms just did his LB rankings and said Chenal was better than Dean at everything. He said his biggest weakness is that "he's white."

Without seeing what he said, I agree Chenal stacks up great with Dean, but that's because I think Leo is awesome as opposed to a negative on Nakobe.

[DrWood]

I like David Bell....heard the Bears really want him if possible.

can he get open?

I feel Bell and London are similar, of course London is taller so that helps. I question if either can get open in the NFL, but it's worth a shot if you can get them at the right spot.

My track record with WRs in the draft have been so good, I will be mad if we pass on those guys.

If London fell to #22, you have to take him (barring some other inexplicable huge drop), even though I'm not as high on him as most.

Taking Bell before the 4th round would be a reach. I can imagine him getting picked in the third if there is a rush on WRs earlier. But if so, it means you missed better players earlier. Of course it only takes one GM that loves a guy for him to get drafted.

[DrWood]

And neither meet GB's threshold for weight / body type.

Olave's 6'

And 150 lbs - and zero YAC - won't block - and is scared of catching balls over the middle

obviously none of those things are true.