Packers 2020 Offseason Thread - Packers Talking Extension with Aaron Jones

[ReasonablySober]

Can someone catch me up as to why Samuel is on the block? Would much prefer a move for him than a move for Beckham if they plan on making a splash move. That speed would be a very welcome addition.

Final year of his rookie deal and they can't afford an extension.

[Swan Vox]

Can someone catch me up as to why Samuel is on the block? Would much prefer a move for him than a move for Beckham if they plan on making a splash move. That speed would be a very welcome addition.

Final year of his rookie deal and they can't afford an extension.

That seems like a no brainer for us then. Trade for Samuel and then recoup the draft pick you trade for him as a comp pick if he decides to leave or we just can’t actually afford him.

[Matches Malone]

Can someone catch me up as to why Samuel is on the block? Would much prefer a move for him than a move for Beckham if they plan on making a splash move. That speed would be a very welcome addition.

Final year of his rookie deal and they can't afford an extension.

That seems like a no brainer for us then. Trade for Samuel and then recoup the draft pick you trade for him as a comp pick if he decides to leave or we just can’t actually afford him.

Ding ding ding. That's what the smart teams do. SF just did it with Trent Williams. I'm totally in agreement with you. I hope they can pull something like that off.

[Ron Swanson]

Think Samuel would be a great fit but it all depends on the price. 3rd or 4th round pick? Sure. 2nd rounder? Nah.

[Daver]

Final year of his rookie deal and they can't afford an extension.

That seems like a no brainer for us then. Trade for Samuel and then recoup the draft pick you trade for him as a comp pick if he decides to leave or we just can’t actually afford him.

Ding ding ding. That's what the smart teams do. SF just did it with Trent Williams. I'm totally in agreement with you. I hope they can pull something like that off.

Problem is does our GM think like that he has yet to make a deal like that but like another poster said. Thats what a smart team like SF did with williams

[sdn40]

Packers are one of the teams talking to Carolina or Packers are one of the teams that make sense ? Big difference. I haven't seen anything other than "several teams" or "possible landing spots" which means nothing
Fake News

[Profound23]

Packers are one of the teams talking to Carolina or Packers are one of the teams that make sense ? Big difference. I haven't seen anything other than "several teams" or "possible landing spots" which means nothing
Fake News

Ian Rappaport is a pretty good source....his exact quote is "Green Bay is one of several teams calling the Carolina Panthers about potentially trading for Curtis Samuel."

[skones]

A few guys mentioned in the likely cuts article by ESPN in Stills, Cole, Pettis, Zay Jones, and Brate.

[Daver]

A few guys mentioned in the likely cuts article by ESPN in Stills, Cole, Pettis, Zay Jones, and Brate.

Well i wouldnt mind stills he was pretty good has speed

[WeekapaugGroove]

Packers are one of the teams talking to Carolina or Packers are one of the teams that make sense ? Big difference. I haven't seen anything other than "several teams" or "possible landing spots" which means nothing
Fake News

Ian Rappaport is a pretty good source....his exact quote is "Green Bay is one of several teams calling the Carolina Panthers about potentially trading for Curtis Samuel."

Oh course the Packers have called about Samuel, they probably have talked to damn near every team in the league gauging what players are available post draft. Now that doesn't mean he's available at a price they are comfortable with.

Side note on gms talking I was listening to a former GM before the draft and he was talking about how it's standard to talk to every team in front of you prior to the draft and basically gauge their interest in trading the pick and what it would cost. He said the actual packages you see are almost always worked out well before actual draft night. Not groundbreaking or surprising but just thought it was an interesting look at how these deals get done.

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[jakecronus8]

Was gonna post this is in the draft thread but really this is more about Aaron and some truths about his game that so many Packer fans and water carrying local media refuse to acknowledge. Bang up job by Greg Cosell, in my opinion.

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Obviously LaFleur has tremendous respect for Rodgers. From his perspective though, imagine being able to get a kid with some Rodgers-esque ability and being able to mold him to fit the system you want to run.

I’ve often said, for an example, that if Rodgers played a true WCO style and bought in I can see him having the best statistical season of his career. He’s just become far too reliant on waiting for a big play and if not just throw it away. I don’t think he’s going to change for LaFleur.

That’s not to say Green Bay can’t have one last great run with Aaron. They surely can. I just believe LaFleur sold his style and system to Gutey as a long term vision. There’s an old proverb that I’m paraphrasing here: “Make your own mistakes. Don’t make someone else’s.” For the long term, I believe that’s what we’re seeing. They’re flipping the team over the course of a few seasons to what LaFleur believes in. Whether or not it works is his cross to bear.

[skones]

Imagine having a chance to to get four or five seasons out of one of the best QBs of all time and insisting that you want the offense run in a certain way that DOESN'T necessarily cater to what that QB does well. The offense shouldn't be structured independently of Rodgers. It should be structured AROUND Rodgers. Andy Reid isn't sitting around telling Patrick Mahomes to do less. He's adapted to his player.

LaFleur didn't give us any type of modernized offense. I didn't see imaginative play calling or route concepts. There wasn't overly extensive use of motion to disguise things. All in all, things were pretty vanilla, and given how his fingerprints seem to be all over this draft, personnel won't be an excuse he'll have.

[jakecronus8]

Imagine having a chance to to get four or five seasons out of one of the best QBs of all time and insisting that you want the offense run in a certain way that DOESN'T necessarily cater to what that QB does well. The offense shouldn't be structured independently of Rodgers. It should be structured AROUND Rodgers. Andy Reid isn't sitting around telling Patrick Mahomes to do less. He's adapted to his player.

LaFleur didn't give us any type of modernized offense. I didn't see imaginative play calling or route concepts. There wasn't overly extensive use of motion to disguise things. All in all, things were pretty vanilla, and given how his fingerprints seem to be all over this draft, personnel won't be an excuse he'll have.

I just don’t believe Rodgers will be the first guy to beat Father Time. No one has or ever will. The skills are already on the decline (hopefully not too sharply) and the health is always gonna be a worry with Aaron. If he embraces this system it should extend his career, whether it be here or elsewhere.

[M-C-G]

I will add there was a four game stretch or so with Davante out and he looked fantastic getting the balls out quickly and getting the RBs much more involved.

So yeah, I don’t think it is making him learn something new, it is helping him too and well with in his skill set. Basically allows us to curb “bad Rodgers” he can still be elite with regard to Turnovers.


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[Matches Malone]

Is anybody of the belief that we ran a weird hybrid scheme of LaFleur's style and McCarthy's style to give some things Rodgers likes in the playbook? I've heard that notion a few times and just curious what everyone's take on that is. Because if the selections are any indication, maybe we see more of LaFleur putting the entirety of his scheme in place?

[MartyConlonOnTheRun]

Was gonna post this is in the draft thread but really this is more about Aaron and some truths about his game that so many Packer fans and water carrying local media refuse to acknowledge. Bang up job by Greg Cosell, in my opinion.

Obviously LaFleur has tremendous respect for Rodgers. From his perspective though, imagine being able to get a kid with some Rodgers-esque ability and being able to mold him to fit the system you want to run.

I’ve often said, for an example, that if Rodgers played a true WCO style and bought in I can see him having the best statistical season of his career. He’s just become far too reliant on waiting for a big play and if not just throw it away. I don’t think he’s going to change for LaFleur.

That’s not to say Green Bay can’t have one last great run with Aaron. They surely can. I just believe LaFleur sold his style and system to Gutey as a long term vision. There’s an old proverb that I’m paraphrasing here: “Make your own mistakes. Don’t make someone else’s.” For the long term, I believe that’s what we’re seeing. They’re flipping the team over the course of a few seasons to what LaFleur believes in. Whether or not it works is his cross to bear.

Imo I thought some of Rodgers best games the past few years have been with Adams and other key guys out. It forced him to make quick decisions to whoever was open instead of trying to make a play with his guy.

[jakecronus8]

Was gonna post this is in the draft thread but really this is more about Aaron and some truths about his game that so many Packer fans and water carrying local media refuse to acknowledge. Bang up job by Greg Cosell, in my opinion.

Obviously LaFleur has tremendous respect for Rodgers. From his perspective though, imagine being able to get a kid with some Rodgers-esque ability and being able to mold him to fit the system you want to run.

I’ve often said, for an example, that if Rodgers played a true WCO style and bought in I can see him having the best statistical season of his career. He’s just become far too reliant on waiting for a big play and if not just throw it away. I don’t think he’s going to change for LaFleur.

That’s not to say Green Bay can’t have one last great run with Aaron. They surely can. I just believe LaFleur sold his style and system to Gutey as a long term vision. There’s an old proverb that I’m paraphrasing here: “Make your own mistakes. Don’t make someone else’s.” For the long term, I believe that’s what we’re seeing. They’re flipping the team over the course of a few seasons to what LaFleur believes in. Whether or not it works is his cross to bear.

Imo I thought some of Rodgers best games the past few years have been with Adams and other key guys out. It forced him to make quick decisions to whoever was open instead of trying to make a play with his guy.

100 percent agree. His play without DA out earlier this year was amazing. Frustrated to see him back to old habits when DA came back, individual statistical production be damned.

[LittleRooster]

Was gonna post this is in the draft thread but really this is more about Aaron and some truths about his game that so many Packer fans and water carrying local media refuse to acknowledge. Bang up job by Greg Cosell, in my opinion.

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Obviously LaFleur has tremendous respect for Rodgers. From his perspective though, imagine being able to get a kid with some Rodgers-esque ability and being able to mold him to fit the system you want to run.

I’ve often said, for an example, that if Rodgers played a true WCO style and bought in I can see him having the best statistical season of his career. He’s just become far too reliant on waiting for a big play and if not just throw it away. I don’t think he’s going to change for LaFleur.

That’s not to say Green Bay can’t have one last great run with Aaron. They surely can. I just believe LaFleur sold his style and system to Gutey as a long term vision. There’s an old proverb that I’m paraphrasing here: “Make your own mistakes. Don’t make someone else’s.” For the long term, I believe that’s what we’re seeing. They’re flipping the team over the course of a few seasons to what LaFleur believes in. Whether or not it works is his cross to bear.

Ben Fennell has been preaching this for a while too. That being said, I wish Eisen had followed up with something like: do you think Rodgers can readapt and add this element back into his game?

For whatever reason, after 2014, Rodgers stopped playing in rhythm and within the structure of the offense for the majority of the time


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[Daver]

Question i know the receivers get most of the blame for the off cilter O the packers had all year like to slow not getting open but how much blame if any should be on AR.Im asking cause i always heard alot of writers after games and announcers during games that guys were open yet rogers chose not to throw to them instead taking a sack or throwing it out of bounds.
Plays like that make receivers look like they cant get open maybe our receiving group wasnt that bad and if AR throws to these W0 receivers the stats are much better

[skones]

Imagine having a chance to to get four or five seasons out of one of the best QBs of all time and insisting that you want the offense run in a certain way that DOESN'T necessarily cater to what that QB does well. The offense shouldn't be structured independently of Rodgers. It should be structured AROUND Rodgers. Andy Reid isn't sitting around telling Patrick Mahomes to do less. He's adapted to his player.

LaFleur didn't give us any type of modernized offense. I didn't see imaginative play calling or route concepts. There wasn't overly extensive use of motion to disguise things. All in all, things were pretty vanilla, and given how his fingerprints seem to be all over this draft, personnel won't be an excuse he'll have.

I just don’t believe Rodgers will be the first guy to beat Father Time. No one has or ever will. The skills are already on the decline (hopefully not too sharply) and the health is always gonna be a worry with Aaron. If he embraces this system it should extend his career, whether it be here or elsewhere.

Rodgers is 36 years old. Manning had monster seasons ad 37 and 38. Brees at 37 and 39. Favre the most efficient season of his career at 40. Brady's stretch between age 37 and age 40 seasons. Elway finally won his Super Bowls at 37 and 38. These elite quarterbacks have longevity in their favor because the league makes every effort to protect them.

The first to "beat father time?"