2020 Draft Thread

[ReasonablySober]

What is it about him that you don't like?

It all starts with his size. I'm not taking a QB that's 6 foot nothing. What does that lead to ? The necessity to be able to move in the pocket. Dude gets caught an awful lot for having the best college talent around him. Result. Two ankle surgeries, hip fracture, concussions and a partridge in a pear tree. A former GM really hit the nail on the head saying something to the effect that he's nowhere near as athletic as he thinks he is. Think about that for a second, because it makes a lot of sense. If he can't stay healthy at Alabama, God help him on a 4-12 NFL team where he has to carry the franchise without the best WR's and OL's. Some question his poise in the pocket (again we are talking Alabama talent here). What is that gonna look like behind Miami's OL ?? What is Tua's elite skillset ?? He doesn't have one.
Yea yea Drew Brees and Russell Wilson. If that's all you got that's a pretty short list over 100 years.

Sure thats all of them...... Outside of Fran Tarkenton, Doug Flutie, Sonny Jorgensen, Len Dawson, Joe Theismann and Micheal Vick while not mentioning Murray had a pretty good rookie showing for Arizona.....

I'm not even one to say height or other measurables don't matter. But this is akin to saying you wouldn't have drafted Larry Fitzgerald because he ran a 4.63 40 and most WRs that run that kind of 40 aren't going to be game breakers



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Russell Wilson, Drew Brees.

[Treebeard]

I'm an idiot but every time I've watched the Badgers I've felt like I'm watching a HoF RB in Taylor. I feel like he's overlooked because he's so screaming in your face obvious. Nuts production, nuts combine numbers. A 1.46s 10 yard split at 229 lbs is absolutely insane. I would be scared to pass on him.

With a little passing game work I think he can be just as good as Barkley.

I mentioned it earlier, but some analyst that was on the FAN and at the combine, they asked him the most surprising thing from the week, his answer was that he thought Taylor looked the most natural catching the ball of all the RBs he saw.

I was a bit surprised by that.

I think there's some irony in Taylor's being knocked for his history of success. The scouts carp about the high mileage, but ignore his comparative durability. The fumbles are a legitimate concern, but then god, and everyone else knew Taylor was the focal point of the offense.

Does anyone expect RB's to have extended careers like Emmitt Smith or Walter Payton any more? If they have 5 to 6 good years nowadays, thats a nice career for an RB

BTW, I'm an inconsistent Badger fan - not much homer here

[sdn40]

What is it about him that you don't like?

It all starts with his size. I'm not taking a QB that's 6 foot nothing. What does that lead to ? The necessity to be able to move in the pocket. Dude gets caught an awful lot for having the best college talent around him. Result. Two ankle surgeries, hip fracture, concussions and a partridge in a pear tree. A former GM really hit the nail on the head saying something to the effect that he's nowhere near as athletic as he thinks he is. Think about that for a second, because it makes a lot of sense. If he can't stay healthy at Alabama, God help him on a 4-12 NFL team where he has to carry the franchise without the best WR's and OL's. Some question his poise in the pocket (again we are talking Alabama talent here). What is that gonna look like behind Miami's OL ?? What is Tua's elite skillset ?? He doesn't have one.
Yea yea Drew Brees and Russell Wilson. If that's all you got that's a pretty short list over 100 years.

Sure thats all of them...... Outside of Fran Tarkenton, Doug Flutie, Sonny Jorgensen, Len Dawson, Joe Theismann and Micheal Vick while not mentioning Murray had a pretty good rookie showing for Arizona.....

I'm not even one to say height or other measurables don't matter. But this is akin to saying you wouldn't have drafted Larry Fitzgerald because he ran a 4.63 40 and most WRs that run that kind of 40 aren't going to be game breakers



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Manziel, Mayfield. You chase the unicorns and I'll take the prototype and I'll take my chances every day of the week

[ReasonablySober]

It all starts with his size. I'm not taking a QB that's 6 foot nothing. What does that lead to ? The necessity to be able to move in the pocket. Dude gets caught an awful lot for having the best college talent around him. Result. Two ankle surgeries, hip fracture, concussions and a partridge in a pear tree. A former GM really hit the nail on the head saying something to the effect that he's nowhere near as athletic as he thinks he is. Think about that for a second, because it makes a lot of sense. If he can't stay healthy at Alabama, God help him on a 4-12 NFL team where he has to carry the franchise without the best WR's and OL's. Some question his poise in the pocket (again we are talking Alabama talent here). What is that gonna look like behind Miami's OL ?? What is Tua's elite skillset ?? He doesn't have one.
Yea yea Drew Brees and Russell Wilson. If that's all you got that's a pretty short list over 100 years.

Sure thats all of them...... Outside of Fran Tarkenton, Doug Flutie, Sonny Jorgensen, Len Dawson, Joe Theismann and Micheal Vick while not mentioning Murray had a pretty good rookie showing for Arizona.....

I'm not even one to say height or other measurables don't matter. But this is akin to saying you wouldn't have drafted Larry Fitzgerald because he ran a 4.63 40 and most WRs that run that kind of 40 aren't going to be game breakers



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Manziel, Mayfield. You chase the unicorns and I'll take the prototype and I'll take my chances every day of the week

Two of the biggest off the field immature jag-offs you can name? You're not helping your case.

[Treebeard]

Semi-technical question: with the unique nature of this draft, will there be a time lag between the official selection and the commisioners announcement?

[sdn40]

[quote="RRyder823"

Manziel, Mayfield. You chase the unicorns and I'll take the prototype and I'll take my chances every day of the week

Two of the biggest off the field immature jag-offs you can name? You're not helping your case.

Probably short QB syndrome. Yet another reason. I've stated my case very clearly and feel pretty good about it. I didn't expect you to agree with it. Other than hype you haven't made a case at all.

[RRyder823]

It all starts with his size. I'm not taking a QB that's 6 foot nothing. What does that lead to ? The necessity to be able to move in the pocket. Dude gets caught an awful lot for having the best college talent around him. Result. Two ankle surgeries, hip fracture, concussions and a partridge in a pear tree. A former GM really hit the nail on the head saying something to the effect that he's nowhere near as athletic as he thinks he is. Think about that for a second, because it makes a lot of sense. If he can't stay healthy at Alabama, God help him on a 4-12 NFL team where he has to carry the franchise without the best WR's and OL's. Some question his poise in the pocket (again we are talking Alabama talent here). What is that gonna look like behind Miami's OL ?? What is Tua's elite skillset ?? He doesn't have one.
Yea yea Drew Brees and Russell Wilson. If that's all you got that's a pretty short list over 100 years.

Sure thats all of them...... Outside of Fran Tarkenton, Doug Flutie, Sonny Jorgensen, Len Dawson, Joe Theismann and Micheal Vick while not mentioning Murray had a pretty good rookie showing for Arizona.....

I'm not even one to say height or other measurables don't matter. But this is akin to saying you wouldn't have drafted Larry Fitzgerald because he ran a 4.63 40 and most WRs that run that kind of 40 aren't going to be game breakers



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Manziel, Mayfield. You chase the unicorns and I'll take the prototype and I'll take my chances every day of the week

Do I get to list every QB 6'3" and taller that didn't turn out now?

I've never been a Baker fan but listing him this early as of it proves a point when the returns haven't been dreadfull is putting the cart before the horse. Has he lived up to his hype? Nope. But its still early to be putting him in the same boat as Johnny Football

But if its only prototype measurables for you then so be it. I can point to a crap ton of guys that fit the prototype and sucked

If you want a to look at physical traits for a QB hand size is going to be much more important then pure height. (Rodgers at 6'2" isn't seeing over linemen much better then most "short" QBs)

And its not about chasing unicorns. Its about actually using more then a single metric to evaluate a player.

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[sdn40]

Sure thats all of them...... Outside of Fran Tarkenton, Doug Flutie, Sonny Jorgensen, Len Dawson, Joe Theismann and Micheal Vick while not mentioning Murray had a pretty good rookie showing for Arizona.....

I'm not even one to say height or other measurables don't matter. But this is akin to saying you wouldn't have drafted Larry Fitzgerald because he ran a 4.63 40 and most WRs that run that kind of 40 aren't going to be game breakers



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Manziel, Mayfield. You chase the unicorns and I'll take the prototype and I'll take my chances every day of the week

Do I get to list every QB 6'3" and taller that didn't turn out now?

I've never been a Baker fan but listing him this early as of it proves a point when the returns haven't been dreadfull is putting the cart before the horse.

But if its only prototype measurables for you then so be it. I can point to a crap ton of guys that fit the prototype and sucked

If you want a to look at physical traits for a QB hand size is going to be much more important then pure height. (Rodgers at 6'2" isn't seeing over linemen much better then most "short" QBs)

And its not about chasing unicorns. Its actually using more then a single metric to evaluate a player.

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Is always injured a metric ??

[RRyder823]

Manziel, Mayfield. You chase the unicorns and I'll take the prototype and I'll take my chances every day of the week

Do I get to list every QB 6'3" and taller that didn't turn out now?

I've never been a Baker fan but listing him this early as of it proves a point when the returns haven't been dreadfull is putting the cart before the horse.

But if its only prototype measurables for you then so be it. I can point to a crap ton of guys that fit the prototype and sucked

If you want a to look at physical traits for a QB hand size is going to be much more important then pure height. (Rodgers at 6'2" isn't seeing over linemen much better then most "short" QBs)

And its not about chasing unicorns. Its actually using more then a single metric to evaluate a player.

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Is always injured a metric ??

Sure but claiming thats due to his height when he weighs 218 would be pretty silly.

If you just think he's injury prone and think that's a good enough reason to stay away fine. But correlating his injuries to his height doesn't make sense

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[MickeyDavis]

I have less than 3 hours to get all my bets in for tonight. Finally some gambling!

[sdn40]

Do I get to list every QB 6'3" and taller that didn't turn out now?

I've never been a Baker fan but listing him this early as of it proves a point when the returns haven't been dreadfull is putting the cart before the horse.

But if its only prototype measurables for you then so be it. I can point to a crap ton of guys that fit the prototype and sucked

If you want a to look at physical traits for a QB hand size is going to be much more important then pure height. (Rodgers at 6'2" isn't seeing over linemen much better then most "short" QBs)

And its not about chasing unicorns. Its actually using more then a single metric to evaluate a player.

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Is always injured a metric ??

Sure but claiming thats due to his height when he weighs 218 it would be pretty silly.

If you just think he's injury prone and think that's a good enough reason to stay away fine. But correlating his injuries to his height doesn't make sense

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I didn't hide from it. I'm not taking a 6'-0" QB. It's not a new concept. Whether or not it's the cause of being constantly injured doesn't take away from the fact that he is constantly injured. You want to argue semantics, the facts are still black and white

[RRyder823]

Semi-technical question: with the unique nature of this draft, will there be a time lag between the official selection and the commisioners announcement?

Other then the time lag like there always is?

Every year the selections are in but they don't announce the selection till ESPN is done talking to draft picks and/or just plain talking for 9 minutes even if the selection is in in half that time.

Hopefully this year its expedited with ESPN not feeling the need to personally interview every single draft pick

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[sdn40]

I have less than 3 hours to get all my bets in for tonight. Finally some gambling!

WTH are you betting on ??

[RRyder823]

Is always injured a metric ??

Sure but claiming thats due to his height when he weighs 218 it would be pretty silly.

If you just think he's injury prone and think that's a good enough reason to stay away fine. But correlating his injuries to his height doesn't make sense

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I didn't hide from it. I'm not taking a 6'-0" QB. It's not a new concept.

So he's injury prone due to his height even though his pure size is actually pretty on par?

You do realize the height of a QB is considered important for throwing through passing lanes and not durability?

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[sdn40]

Sure but claiming thats due to his height when he weighs 218 it would be pretty silly.

If you just think he's injury prone and think that's a good enough reason to stay away fine. But correlating his injuries to his height doesn't make sense

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I didn't hide from it. I'm not taking a 6'-0" QB. It's not a new concept.

So he's injury prone due to his height even though his pure size is actually pretty on par?

You do realize the height of a QB is considered important for throwing through passing lanes and not durability?

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First of all dont look now but you argued my point for me. And secondly, do I care why he's injury prone, even though I explained my reasoning in my initial post ?

[Treebeard]

Semi-technical question: with the unique nature of this draft, will there be a time lag between the official selection and the commisioners announcement?

Other then the time lag like there always is?

Every year the selections are in but they don't announce the selection till ESPN is done talking to draft picks and/or just plain talking for 9 minutes even if the selection is in in half that time.

Hopefully this year its expedited with ESPN not feeling the need to personally interview every single draft pick

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I admit I'm having a hard time envisioning how the very decentralized mechanics are going to work. I'm imagining Jerry Jeudy hand holding his phone for a video call with an ESPN talking head and it all goes south when he drops the phone.

I'm sure I've got a very naive take on how sophisticated this will really be.

[MickeyDavis]

I have less than 3 hours to get all my bets in for tonight. Finally some gambling!

WTH are you betting on ??

There are about 100 bets that I'm seeing (I have a buddy who lives where he can bet legally online). Which teams will take specific players, who gets drafted before who, draft position (Derrick Brown draft position, under 7.5 is -160, over 7.5 is +125). How many players from specific schools will be drafted in round 1, etc.

[MickeyDavis]

Semi-technical question: with the unique nature of this draft, will there be a time lag between the official selection and the commisioners announcement?

Other then the time lag like there always is?

Every year the selections are in but they don't announce the selection till ESPN is done talking to draft picks and/or just plain talking for 9 minutes even if the selection is in in half that time.

Hopefully this year its expedited with ESPN not feeling the need to personally interview every single draft pick

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I admit I'm having a hard time envisioning how the very decentralized mechanics are going to work. I'm imagining Jerry Jeudy hand holding his phone for a video call with an ESPN talking head and it all goes south when he drops the phone.

I'm sure I've got a very naive take on how sophisticated this will really be.

There's always a lag between when Twitter knows the pick and it's announced on TV. And who knows what happens tonight with everything remote. We have a long standing policy of not posting a pick until it's announced on TV since not everyone is online during the draft. We'll only do that for round 1. Subsequent rounds can have twitter spoilers.

[sdn40]

I have less than 3 hours to get all my bets in for tonight. Finally some gambling!

WTH are you betting on ??

There are about 100 bets that I'm seeing (I have a buddy who lives where he can bet legally online). Which teams will take specific players, who gets drafted before who, draft position (Derrick Brown draft position, under 7.5 is -160, over 7.5 is +125). How many players from specific schools will be drafted in round 1, etc.

That's some hard core stuff. I don't think I have the stomach or the temperament to know when to say when to gamble.

[Mags FTW]

The PFF guys had a theory that because the WR class is so deep, the Jeudy/Lamb/Ruggs group will fall because teams will just wait until the 2nd round to get a quality receiver.

Would be nice if we could trade to around 20 to snag one of those guys.