Packers 2020 Offseason Thread - Packers Talking Extension with Aaron Jones

[raysbookclub]

I think this is ridiculous. So MLF would rather have Marcus Mariota (top 2 pick) than Rodgers as QB because he’s more of a run threat and will run his plays closer to the design? Um, he had that, and they didn’t go 13-3.

I wish Rodgers would throw more quick timing passes too. But to say that MLF wants a different QB is absurd. Rodgers is one of the best QBs of all time. Other QBs MLF has had aren’t anywhere close. MLF knows it, he isn’t stupid.

They picked Love because they trusted their board and they saw a chance to draft a QB whose ceiling is really high provided a chance to sit a couple years. Barring injury, there is no way he outplays Rodgers in the next two years, and possibly longer.

[M-C-G]

I think this is ridiculous. So MLF would rather have Marcus Mariota (top 2 pick) than Rodgers as QB because he’s more of a run threat and will run his plays closer to the design? Um, he had that, and they didn’t go 13-3.

I wish Rodgers would throw more quick timing passes too. But to say that MLF wants a different QB is absurd. Rodgers is one of the best QBs of all time. Other QBs MLF has had aren’t anywhere close. MLF knows it, he isn’t stupid.

They picked Love because they trusted their board and they saw a chance to draft a QB whose ceiling is really high provided a chance to sit a couple years. Barring injury, there is no way he outplays Rodgers in the next two years, and possibly longer.

I think it is more semantics than anything. They saw the opportunity to groom an heir apparent to Rodgers and harness and grow his skill set to fit the system.

Totally possible Rodgers hangs on longer than two years, I just personally doubt it. I think after two years, barring Super Bowl success, he will be ready to move on and the team will be ready to hand the keys over to Love, assuming he develops as hoped for. But who the hell knows how things will pan out.

[jimmybones]

Imagine having a chance to to get four or five seasons out of one of the best QBs of all time and insisting that you want the offense run in a certain way that DOESN'T necessarily cater to what that QB does well. The offense shouldn't be structured independently of Rodgers. It should be structured AROUND Rodgers. Andy Reid isn't sitting around telling Patrick Mahomes to do less. He's adapted to his player.

LaFleur didn't give us any type of modernized offense. I didn't see imaginative play calling or route concepts. There wasn't overly extensive use of motion to disguise things. All in all, things were pretty vanilla, and given how his fingerprints seem to be all over this draft, personnel won't be an excuse he'll have.

If this was 2011 or 2014 I'd agree with you. But, 2020 Aaron Rodgers is NOT 2020 Patrick Mahomes.

[Ron Swanson]

I'm pretty sure that Ted Thompson wasn't thinking "this guy's the next Brett Favre" when he decided to draft Rodgers back in 2005. If you just don't like him as a prospect then that's fine, but I don't buy this idea that they were zeroing on a guy simply because they saw a potential Rodgers clone and were blindly adhering to some stubborn philosophy/blueprint.

[MickeyDavis]

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[crkone]

I’m hurting.

I figured Rodgers’ mediocre deep accuracy in 2018 (17th of 35 quarterbacks) was largely due to an injury he suffered in Week 1 of that season, but things only got worse in 2019.

Actually, a large part of that can be blamed on a Week 17 performance against the Lions where Rodgers was only accurate on 3 of 14 deep pass attempts. It was the worst game I’ve ever seen him play, so in typical Detroit Lions fashion the Packers won the game anyway.

If not for that performance Rodgers would’ve likely finished inside the top 15, which is still a disappointing mark in comparison to previous years of deep passing excellence. This still wasn’t enough to stop the Packers from getting many lucky breaks on their way to a first-round bye and an NFC Championship appearance, but against the 49ers, Rodgers and company were easily overwhelmed.

I don’t know if Matt LaFleur will be as consistently mediocre as Mike McCarthy was during his last years in Green Bay, but having a version of Rodgers that is no longer in his prime isn’t giving him any favors. Rodgers did manage to finish inside the top ten on throws of 36-40 yards, to the right of the field, and against interior pressure, but was less successful as a tight window passer and threw four dropped interceptions (he also threw the most disrupted passes in the league with 21).

Much like seeing Drew Brees, watching Rodgers’ deep ability wither away is in no way fun, unless you happen to be an NFC North fan of course. At least he hit the 1,000 yard mark, though.

https://brickwallblitz.com/2020/02/21/the-2019-20-deep-ball-project-part-1-3/

[WeekapaugGroove]

I’m hurting.

I figured Rodgers’ mediocre deep accuracy in 2018 (17th of 35 quarterbacks) was largely due to an injury he suffered in Week 1 of that season, but things only got worse in 2019.

Actually, a large part of that can be blamed on a Week 17 performance against the Lions where Rodgers was only accurate on 3 of 14 deep pass attempts. It was the worst game I’ve ever seen him play, so in typical Detroit Lions fashion the Packers won the game anyway.

If not for that performance Rodgers would’ve likely finished inside the top 15, which is still a disappointing mark in comparison to previous years of deep passing excellence. This still wasn’t enough to stop the Packers from getting many lucky breaks on their way to a first-round bye and an NFC Championship appearance, but against the 49ers, Rodgers and company were easily overwhelmed.

I don’t know if Matt LaFleur will be as consistently mediocre as Mike McCarthy was during his last years in Green Bay, but having a version of Rodgers that is no longer in his prime isn’t giving him any favors. Rodgers did manage to finish inside the top ten on throws of 36-40 yards, to the right of the field, and against interior pressure, but was less successful as a tight window passer and threw four dropped interceptions (he also threw the most disrupted passes in the league with 21).

Much like seeing Drew Brees, watching Rodgers’ deep ability wither away is in no way fun, unless you happen to be an NFC North fan of course. At least he hit the 1,000 yard mark, though.

https://brickwallblitz.com/2020/02/21/the-2019-20-deep-ball-project-part-1-3/

Honestly I thought his deep ball stats might be worse than this judging from my eye test. Not that MVS did himself any favors but Rodgers also missed him on a couple that would have made his season look better.

Oh and that Detroit game was the worst game I ever remember Rodgers playing. He was really bad.

Now Rodgers can still obviously be a good QB and you can win with him but I really don't expect his deep ball accuracy to come back too much because that's just something that goes with some older QBs and never comes back. Hell it's why I wasn't really that interested in the deep threats like Mims in this draft, I thought a slot guy would be more helpful.

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[thonnisbeastley]

What an embarrassing draft. Jordan Love? Seriously? Look at his face and his demeanor. That dumb blank expression and grin. He will never be a regular starter in the NFL and Rodgers will want out ASAP.

[M-C-G]

What an embarrassing draft. Jordan Love? Seriously? Look at his face and his demeanor. That dumb blank expression and grin. He will never be a regular starter in the NFL and Rodgers will want out ASAP.

Whoa, you must have access to Lasry and Edens facial recognition technology for such a deep take. Spill the beans!


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[stillgotgame]

What an embarrassing draft. Jordan Love? Seriously? Look at his face and his demeanor. That dumb blank expression and grin. He will never be a regular starter in the NFL and Rodgers will want out ASAP.

An embarrassment, yes. The way Gute kissed MLF’s butt by reaching for all guys to fit MLF’s dreams with complete disregard to Rodgers, yes.

But to say Love won’t make it based on his facial expression? That’s pretty hard to believe. I’m as negative about this draft as anyone on this board but I still think there’s a chance Love will be successful. Whether he will be successful is very definitely tbd.

[JayMKE]

Like it or not, the writing is on the wall for Rodgers and this is the beginning of the end. I don’t see Love as a great prospect and don’t want to commit to him as some sort of heir apparent. It’s clear the FO wants their job security pushed out a few years before forcing Rodgers out, they intend to waste the next couple years then get a few more as we wait for their vision to turn out. They should all be fired.

[WeekapaugGroove]

Like it or not, the writing is on the wall for Rodgers and this is the beginning of the end. I don’t see Love as a great prospect and don’t want to commit to him as some sort of heir apparent. It’s clear the FO wants their job security pushed out a few years before forcing Rodgers out, they intend to waste the next couple years then get a few more as we wait for their vision to turn out. They should all be fired.

I'm not arguing whether the pick was good or not but I absolutely disagree this pick was done for job security. In fact I'd say it's quite the opposite and this pick was dangerous from that standpoint. Would have been much easier to make a fan service pick here and draft a QB after Rodgers is gone and that would buy Gute time. Odds are Rodgers gets hurt at some point in the next two seasons and people will judge Love very quickly and if he's doesn't look good that could be it be it for Gute, most GMs only get one high drafted QB and the clock starts.

As I stated when the pick was made it wasn't my preferred choice but I said it took some balls to pull the trigger because they had to know they would get heat.

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[humanrefutation]

Barnwell tries to make sense of the Packers approach:

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/29113276/2020-nfl-draft-surprises-why-did-packers-eagles-draft-quarterbacks-jordan-love-jalen-hurts

[Reddeye]

Like it or not, the writing is on the wall for Rodgers and this is the beginning of the end. I don’t see Love as a great prospect and don’t want to commit to him as some sort of heir apparent. It’s clear the FO wants their job security pushed out a few years before forcing Rodgers out, they intend to waste the next couple years then get a few more as we wait for their vision to turn out. They should all be fired.

So you want everyone fired after a 13-3 season because you didn't like the draft? Also drafting of a QB in the first round means they are wasting the next two years?

[skones]

Imagine having a chance to to get four or five seasons out of one of the best QBs of all time and insisting that you want the offense run in a certain way that DOESN'T necessarily cater to what that QB does well. The offense shouldn't be structured independently of Rodgers. It should be structured AROUND Rodgers. Andy Reid isn't sitting around telling Patrick Mahomes to do less. He's adapted to his player.

LaFleur didn't give us any type of modernized offense. I didn't see imaginative play calling or route concepts. There wasn't overly extensive use of motion to disguise things. All in all, things were pretty vanilla, and given how his fingerprints seem to be all over this draft, personnel won't be an excuse he'll have.

If this was 2011 or 2014 I'd agree with you. But, 2020 Aaron Rodgers is NOT 2020 Patrick Mahomes.

Aaron Rodgers still has more talent in his body than all but 5 guys in the entire NFL. He doesn't need to be Patrick Mahomes to have an offense structured around him with his arm talent. When you have a talent of Rodgers ilk, you build a gameplan around what he does well. You don't build a game plan and system out of thin air and tell him to fit it. Good coaches adapt, bad coaches tell their players to. Build your offense around your personnel. If Rodgers isn't Mahomes was your takeaway from my post, you missed the boat.

[RRyder823]

Imagine having a chance to to get four or five seasons out of one of the best QBs of all time and insisting that you want the offense run in a certain way that DOESN'T necessarily cater to what that QB does well. The offense shouldn't be structured independently of Rodgers. It should be structured AROUND Rodgers. Andy Reid isn't sitting around telling Patrick Mahomes to do less. He's adapted to his player.

LaFleur didn't give us any type of modernized offense. I didn't see imaginative play calling or route concepts. There wasn't overly extensive use of motion to disguise things. All in all, things were pretty vanilla, and given how his fingerprints seem to be all over this draft, personnel won't be an excuse he'll have.

If this was 2011 or 2014 I'd agree with you. But, 2020 Aaron Rodgers is NOT 2020 Patrick Mahomes.

Aaron Rodgers still has more talent in his body than all but 5 guys in the entire NFL. He doesn't need to be Patrick Mahomes to have an offense structured around him with his arm talent. When you have a talent of Rodgers ilk, you build a gameplan around what he does well. You don't build a game plan and system out of thin air and tell him to fit it. Good coaches adapt, bad coaches tell their players to. Build your offense around your personnel. If Rodgers isn't Mahomes was your takeaway from my post, you missed the boat.

What exactly is this statement based on? Because the last two years he's been a pretty average QB.



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[Reddeye]

Aaron Rodgers still has more talent in his body than all but 5 guys in the entire NFL. He doesn't need to be Patrick Mahomes to have an offense structured around him with his arm talent. When you have a talent of Rodgers ilk, you build a gameplan around what he does well. You don't build a game plan and system out of thin air and tell him to fit it. Good coaches adapt, bad coaches tell their players to. Build your offense around your personnel. If Rodgers isn't Mahomes was your takeaway from my post, you missed the boat.

Just curious, what are the things that Rodgers does well that you would build the offense around. Not trying to be a smart ass. I would like to know your thoughts on this. Rodgers stats the past 2 seasons were similar in two different offenses.

[FAH1223]

Like it or not, the writing is on the wall for Rodgers and this is the beginning of the end. I don’t see Love as a great prospect and don’t want to commit to him as some sort of heir apparent. It’s clear the FO wants their job security pushed out a few years before forcing Rodgers out, they intend to waste the next couple years then get a few more as we wait for their vision to turn out. They should all be fired.

Rodgers is the QB for 2020 and 2021 and probably 2022.

Love is going to be sitting for 3 seasons unless Rodgers dramatically declines, Rodgers gets hurt, and/or the Packers have a catastrophic losing season.

I think this roster is good for 9 wins, maybe 10.

[M-C-G]

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Let's all acknowledge that Rodgers is ELITE at not throwing INTs. Let's take that off the table and compare some other stats from pro football reference;

Bad Throw %
21.2% Highest in the league last year

On Target %
74.7% 16th in the league for anyone with over 250 attempts

Pocket Time
2.6 seconds per pass/sack - this is second in the league. Not necessarily a bad thing, but points toward holding on to the ball too long and trying to make secondary action happen

Completed Air yards per Catch
5.6 which ranks 23rd in the league for anyone with over 247 attempts

This is a stat that can heavily be influenced by the play calling and there isn't enough history to go back to the early 201Xs which would be interesting to see versus Godgers mode.

Throw Aways - this is not necessarily bad either, but I do think he ends up having to throw away more often because he is trying to get secondary action

31 - second in the league only to Tom Brady's 40

Completion % - this can be heavily impacted by the quality of our WR
62% which ranked 21st in the league with anyone more than 250 attempts

Last season, I would say other than INT, he was a upper middle tier QB in the league. Let's say 10-12th-ish?

[leroyjw10]

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Last season, I would say other than INT, he was a upper middle tier QB in the league. Let's say 10-12th-ish?

I'd say top 10-12 is being generous. I'd put him closer to 18ish.