2022 NFL Draft discussion

[sdn40]

Been looking back at various historical 1st rd picks (via the Athletic) and Pickens gives me some Randy Moss vibes, perhaps not quite the talent Moss was, but just the character challenges. It really is interesting to see what scouts / consensus was saying about players that either went on to have success or failed miserably. It really is showing how much of a crap shoot the draft really is. If all things are equal, I'm betting on athletic traits and hoping the kid matures. A lot to like about Pickens athletic profile.

Not in the same universe as far as talent. And drafting bad character guys comes back to haunt you almost every single time. It's just not worth the hassle

[M-C-G]

Been looking back at various historical 1st rd picks (via the Athletic) and Pickens gives me some Randy Moss vibes, perhaps not quite the talent Moss was, but just the character challenges. It really is interesting to see what scouts / consensus was saying about players that either went on to have success or failed miserably. It really is showing how much of a crap shoot the draft really is. If all things are equal, I'm betting on athletic traits and hoping the kid matures. A lot to like about Pickens athletic profile.

Not in the same universe as far as talent. And drafting bad character guys comes back to haunt you almost every single time. It's just not worth the hassle

What were the character issues with Pickens? I don't disagree with your point, but other than being a bit of a prick, what did Pickens do that has you concerned?

[M-C-G]

Pickens sounds like he's dropping because of terrible draft interviews. Dammit

This makes me sad.

And there's this:

https://ugawire.usatoday.com/2022/04/24/report-kenny-mcintosh-arrested-on-misdemeanor-charges-accompanied-in-vehicle-by-george-pickens/

The guy has a ton of talent but not touching this until the 2nd at earliest

All it says is he was in the car while someone else was driving recklessly. I'm not seeing the concern about that, other than if you were hoping he wasn't going to parties leading up to the draft.

[sdn40]

You are who you hang with. What does it say when you can't make decent decisions 4 days away from a $15m payday. And he interviewed terribly with guys wanting to give him $15m. What kind of guy does that ? This isn't about your views or mine. Green Bay doesn't mess around with low character guys.

[M-C-G]

You are who you hang with. What does it say when you can't make decent decisions 4 days away from a $15m payday. And he interviewed terribly with guys wanting to give him $15m. What kind of guy does that ? This isn't about your views or mine. Green Bay doesn't mess around with low character guys.

Other than a whisper that he is having bad interviews and making a bad decision about who you are driving home with, I don't see enough there to warrant him as a red flag character guy.

Now with that said, it is entirely possible he is a red flag guy, I just haven't heard anything tangible that I'd consider a red flag yet. Not smart flag, sure, but not red flag.

[jakecronus8]

Keep trying to talk myself out of Leo Chenal but I can’t. I was all over TJ Watt and was told I was a sorry Homer. Saw how that turned out. So I’m just gonna say it…

Leo Chenal reminds me of Micah Parsons.

Deal with it.

[sdn40]

You are who you hang with. What does it say when you can't make decent decisions 4 days away from a $15m payday. And he interviewed terribly with guys wanting to give him $15m. What kind of guy does that ? This isn't about your views or mine. Green Bay doesn't mess around with low character guys.

Other than a whisper that he is having bad interviews and making a bad decision about who you are driving home with, I don't see enough there to warrant him as a red flag character guy.

Now with that said, it is entirely possible he is a red flag guy, I just haven't heard anything tangible that I'd consider a red flag yet. Not smart flag, sure, but not red flag.

If you say whisper, is it less of a red flag ?? That's fine. Everyone will frame it how they want. All that matters is how Gute views it. And history says they just don't take those chances. Especially early

[DrWood]

You are who you hang with. What does it say when you can't make decent decisions 4 days away from a $15m payday. And he interviewed terribly with guys wanting to give him $15m. What kind of guy does that ? This isn't about your views or mine. Green Bay doesn't mess around with low character guys.

Other than a whisper that he is having bad interviews and making a bad decision about who you are driving home with, I don't see enough there to warrant him as a red flag character guy.

Now with that said, it is entirely possible he is a red flag guy, I just haven't heard anything tangible that I'd consider a red flag yet. Not smart flag, sure, but not red flag.

If you say whisper, is it less of a red flag ?? That's fine. Everyone will frame it how they want. All that matters is how Gute views it. And history says they just don't take those chances. Especially early

The only things that have been mentioned in this thread are things you could damn just about every poor, young, black man in America. Not a very good demographic to cross off your list, if you're running a sports franchise.

[sdn40]

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[sdn40]

Other than a whisper that he is having bad interviews and making a bad decision about who you are driving home with, I don't see enough there to warrant him as a red flag character guy.

Now with that said, it is entirely possible he is a red flag guy, I just haven't heard anything tangible that I'd consider a red flag yet. Not smart flag, sure, but not red flag.

If you say whisper, is it less of a red flag ?? That's fine. Everyone will frame it how they want. All that matters is how Gute views it. And history says they just don't take those chances. Especially early

The only things that have been mentioned in this thread are things you could damn just about every poor, young, black man in America. Not a very good demographic to cross off your list, if you're running a sports franchise.

I hope you believe what you say - cuz it's pretty ridiculous

[DrWood]

Keep trying to talk myself out of Leo Chenal but I can’t. I was all over TJ Watt and was told I was a sorry Homer. Saw how that turned out. So I’m just gonna say it…

Leo Chenal reminds me of Micah Parsons.

Deal with it.

Chenal was slightly below Parsons' efficiency in their last collegiate years. They're not the same guy, of course, but I think Chenal should be good. He could go anywhere in the 2nd round to early 3rd round; scouts are mixed on him.

[DrWood]

Knock off the personal attacks. MD

[DrWood]

Today's Mock. Traded down repeatedly, of course.
#50 Christian Watson, WR, NDS
#53 Logan Hall, DT, HOUS
#59 Trey McBride, TE, Colo.St.
#62 Kingsley Enagbare, EDGE, S.Carol.
#64 Jalen Tolbert, WR, S.Ala.
#68 Darian Kinnard, G/T Kent.
#69 Kerby Joseph, S, ILL
#70 Marcus Jones, CB, HOUS
#80 Alec Pierce, WR, CIN
#92 Kellen Diesch, T, ASU
#93 Sam Williams, EDGE, MISS.
#121 Brandon Smith, LB PSU
#132 Tariq Castro-Fields, CB PSU

[sdn40]

The only things that have been mentioned in this thread are things you could damn just about every poor, young, black man in America. Not a very good demographic to cross off your list, if you're running a sports franchise.

I hope you believe what you say - cuz it's pretty ridiculous

alternatively, you could be full of ****.

100's of players manage to go through the draft process without interviewing poorly. There are coaches and mentors available every step of the way - whether it be for the combine - 40 yard dash - or the interview process - the white board - everything. Making excuses for a guy - either you aren't that knowledegable - or your head is in the sand.

[DrWood]

I hope you believe what you say - cuz it's pretty ridiculous

alternatively, you could be full of ****.

100's of players manage to go through the draft process without interviewing poorly. There are coaches and mentors available every step of the way - whether it be for the combine - 40 yard dash - or the interview process - the white board - everything. Making excuses for a guy - either you aren't that knowledegable - or your head is in the sand.

Maybe you don't realize something. There are thousands of internet sources whose raison d'être is to make up "red flags" about prospects. They do it to get clicks. You need greater discernment to know which information to take with a grain of salt.

[sdn40]

alternatively, you could be full of ****.

100's of players manage to go through the draft process without interviewing poorly. There are coaches and mentors available every step of the way - whether it be for the combine - 40 yard dash - or the interview process - the white board - everything. Making excuses for a guy - either you aren't that knowledegable - or your head is in the sand.

Maybe you don't realize something. There are thousands of internet sources whose raison d'être is to make up "red flags" about prospects. They do it to get clicks. You need greater discernment to know which information to take with a grain of salt.

It's pretty much common knowledge at this point. There are numerous sources saying the same thing

[M-C-G]

100's of players manage to go through the draft process without interviewing poorly. There are coaches and mentors available every step of the way - whether it be for the combine - 40 yard dash - or the interview process - the white board - everything. Making excuses for a guy - either you aren't that knowledegable - or your head is in the sand.

Maybe you don't realize something. There are thousands of internet sources whose raison d'être is to make up "red flags" about prospects. They do it to get clicks. You need greater discernment to know which information to take with a grain of salt.

It's pretty much common knowledge at this point. There are numerous sources saying the same thing

I don't know if the flags are legit, my concern is that we leapt from a couple of anonymous sources to full scale marking this guy as a character red flag. Feels like there should be a burden of proof quite a bit more clear.

And be careful with the 'numerous sources' thing, nobody actually does journalism, they see a tweet and they regurgitate it out.

All that said, he may very well be a red flag, I'd just like more concrete info before I'd decide that, but as you said, it is really up to the Packers and Gute and their eval process.

[RRyder823]

Keep trying to talk myself out of Leo Chenal but I can’t. I was all over TJ Watt and was told I was a sorry Homer. Saw how that turned out. So I’m just gonna say it…

Leo Chenal reminds me of Micah Parsons.

Deal with it.

Chenal was slightly below Parsons' efficiency in their last collegiate years. They're not the same guy, of course, but I think Chenal should be good. He could go anywhere in the 2nd round to early 3rd round; scouts are mixed on him.

It's a combination of evaluations being mixed and him playing a lower value position that tends to drop in the draft.

Probably a lil to early to draft for us in round two but wouldn't be opposed to trading up into the early 3rd if he's still there

As for Pickens if he's there in the 2nd you take him. Red flags be damned. Value is too good to pass up at a position of need at that point

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[Treebeard]

This one has been floating around this week, but I don't think we've batted around(From Bill Barnwell at ESPN):

22. Green Bay Packers (via LV)

Packers get: WR Chase Claypool (from Steelers), 4-114 (from Falcons)
Steelers get: 1-8, 6-190 (from Falcons)
Falcons get: 1-20 (from Steelers), 1-22 (from Packers)

It's the first three-team trade here! There are other ways for each of these teams to accomplish their goals, but this gets all three organizations what they want have coming out of this draft.

Let's start with the Packers, who add a valuable young receiver set to make just $2.7 million combined over the next two seasons. Claypool didn't take a leap forward in his second season, but he has the size and physical tools to win at all levels of the field, and he'd get a massive upgrade at quarterback when it comes to deeper routes. The Packers have been rewarded for their patience in the past; remember that Davante Adams himself was seen as a disappointment after his second season and didn't post a 1,000-yard campaign until his fifth year. Claypool's early success makes him a slightly better bet than the average rookie being drafted in the 20s.

The Falcons need to amass draft capital. If they aren't going to draft a quarterback at No. 8, they're better off trading down and getting an extra first-rounder. Even with fourth- and sixth-round picks, this deal is a net victory for Atlanta on the Johnson chart. It is in a position to target the best prospect available, which could be a quarterback at this point of Round 1.

For Pittsburgh, this is using what the organization does well to replenish its biggest weakness. The organization has an incredible track record of finding receivers in the middle rounds, with Claypool the latest member of a group that includes Antonio Brown, Mike Wallace, Emmanuel Sanders, Smith-Schuster and Diontae Johnson. The latter is due for a massive extension, which would make it difficult for the Steelers to then offer Claypool a similar deal the following offseason. There was at least a little friction between Claypool and the organization last season, and while I don't think it was enough to force a trade, this would be a chance for Pittsburgh to get a significant draft pick in return.

In this scenario, the Steelers sacrifice Claypool and the No. 20 pick to move up and get their quarterback of the future. They can use their second- or third-round pick to draft Claypool's replacement, sign Johnson to an extension and move forward with a transitioning core on offense. This deal values Claypool as being worth something in the ballpark of the No. 34 pick in a typical draft.

[jakecronus8]

This one has been floating around this week, but I don't think we've batted around(From Bill Barnwell at ESPN):

22. Green Bay Packers (via LV)

Packers get: WR Chase Claypool (from Steelers), 4-114 (from Falcons)
Steelers get: 1-8, 6-190 (from Falcons)
Falcons get: 1-20 (from Steelers), 1-22 (from Packers)

It's the first three-team trade here! There are other ways for each of these teams to accomplish their goals, but this gets all three organizations what they want have coming out of this draft.

Let's start with the Packers, who add a valuable young receiver set to make just $2.7 million combined over the next two seasons. Claypool didn't take a leap forward in his second season, but he has the size and physical tools to win at all levels of the field, and he'd get a massive upgrade at quarterback when it comes to deeper routes. The Packers have been rewarded for their patience in the past; remember that Davante Adams himself was seen as a disappointment after his second season and didn't post a 1,000-yard campaign until his fifth year. Claypool's early success makes him a slightly better bet than the average rookie being drafted in the 20s.

The Falcons need to amass draft capital. If they aren't going to draft a quarterback at No. 8, they're better off trading down and getting an extra first-rounder. Even with fourth- and sixth-round picks, this deal is a net victory for Atlanta on the Johnson chart. It is in a position to target the best prospect available, which could be a quarterback at this point of Round 1.

For Pittsburgh, this is using what the organization does well to replenish its biggest weakness. The organization has an incredible track record of finding receivers in the middle rounds, with Claypool the latest member of a group that includes Antonio Brown, Mike Wallace, Emmanuel Sanders, Smith-Schuster and Diontae Johnson. The latter is due for a massive extension, which would make it difficult for the Steelers to then offer Claypool a similar deal the following offseason. There was at least a little friction between Claypool and the organization last season, and while I don't think it was enough to force a trade, this would be a chance for Pittsburgh to get a significant draft pick in return.

In this scenario, the Steelers sacrifice Claypool and the No. 20 pick to move up and get their quarterback of the future. They can use their second- or third-round pick to draft Claypool's replacement, sign Johnson to an extension and move forward with a transitioning core on offense. This deal values Claypool as being worth something in the ballpark of the No. 34 pick in a typical draft.

Gross.