Game 4: Packers at Cowboys - 9/28/25 - 7:20 - NBC

[MVP2110]

Well, there are some reports saying that Matt doesn't allow Bisaccia to use the best available players, so he needs to use backup ones and after the blocked FG he could use Jenkins, Tucker, etc.

Also, there is no practice for ST at all.

My question, what Bisaccia does so? Why is he paid?

There's no way that's true? Lafleur isn't okay with the best lineman blocking for FGs but he'll let Golden catch punts?

Then again, we watched them let Amari Rodgers muff punt after punt after punt so perhaps it is true

https://www.acmepackingcompany.com/analysis/71773/green-bay-packers-blocked-field-goal-analysis-2025-dallas-cowboys-personnel-special-teams

So it was every starter except Jenkins for some reason? Kraft was in there last week on the blocked FG vs Cleveland

[MickeyDavis]

Also, there is no practice for ST at all.

Not true Off and def have the priority (as is the case with EVERY team) but of course ST's practice.

[MVP2110]

Also, there is no practice for ST at all.

Not true Off and def have the priority (as is the case with EVERY team) but of course ST's practice.

Yea I don't get where this notion that they don't practice kicks comes from. Obviously fans can't see in the season but during camp they do fg drills very often

[Profound23]

Any news on Wyatt or will we not know much until after the bye?

[MickeyDavis]

Any news on Wyatt or will we not know much until after the bye?

Nothing yet. There were team meetings today and then the players dispersed for a few days for the bye. But injured players have to stay for treatment. So we may hear something in the next day or two. Especially if it's serious.

[Ron Swanson]

Wyatt would be a massive loss. Unlike at Edge, we don't really have the depth or that next guy that can replace that kind of interior pass rush.

[humanrefutation]

Barnwell kept harping on the fact that the underlying numbers weren't especially favorable for Jacobs last year. I've thought about that as I've watched him this year.

[nagawicka]

What's the deal with Zach Kruse writing incorrectly that ""Golden led the team with four catches for 52 yards, including the 34-yarder in the fourth quarter." Golden did not in fact lead the team in receptions, yardage or TDs. Golden finished with 5 receptions, not 4, racked up 58 yards, tied with Doubs. Romeo Doubs led the Packers with 6 (six) receptions, racked up 58 yards, scored 3 TDs and pulled in that clutch, clutch 3rd down catch, w/o which the drive ends & we LOse the game. There's such a thing as having favorite players you want to see do well__#1 pick WR Golden--and then, there's openly gaslighting readers abt who is doing what & leading in the clutch.

https://packerswire.usatoday.com/staff/79328067007/zach-kruse/

[rilamann]

MLF in this post game press conference looks and sounds like a confused fool who is in over his head.

Even if you didn't watch the game and just watched his post game press conference, he comes off as a guy who has no business being the head coach of an NFL football team.

At least the Bucks open camp this week.

Remember what happened when you wanted to can Budenholzer?

Yes, I remember. Bud went to the Suns and proved that he is exactly who I said he was and got fired 11 months into a 5 year contract.

The only reason that it ended up being a Be careful what you wish for situation was because the Bucks replaced Bud with Adrian Griffin and then replaced Griffin with Doc Rivers.

It would be like if the Packers fired MLF and replaced him with Matt Eberflus.

[rilamann]

Lol how could anyone want that dinosaur

I was being sarcastic.


But I am convinced that Mike Sherman, Mike McCarthy and MLF are all the same guy.

Must be hard being perfect and torture for you to support your favorite sports teams.

I have the ability to call things how I see them. Even if it is my team.

If everything was exactly the same Sunday night but the Packers were wearing Bears jerseys, you guys would be talking more **** about MLF than I am.

[Iheartfootball]

I was being sarcastic.


But I am convinced that Mike Sherman, Mike McCarthy and MLF are all the same guy.

Must be hard being perfect and torture for you to support your favorite sports teams.

I have the ability to call things how I see them. Even if it is my team.

If everything was exactly the same Sunday night but the Packers were wearing Bears jerseys, you guys would be talking more **** about MLF than I am.

I have the ability to call things how I see them. Even if it is my team.

Yep, you certainly do, not arguing that. Just sounds painful, but maybe you enjoy the pain and pessimism.

If everything was exactly the same Sunday night but the Packers were wearing Bears jerseys, you guys would be talking more **** about MLF than I am.

Strawman

[trwi7]

I have the ability to call things how I see them. Even if it is my team.

Calling things as you see them isn't the brag that you think it is when you see as well as Helen Keller.

[RRyder823]

I was being sarcastic.


But I am convinced that Mike Sherman, Mike McCarthy and MLF are all the same guy.

Must be hard being perfect and torture for you to support your favorite sports teams.

I have the ability to call things how I see them. Even if it is my team.

If everything was exactly the same Sunday night but the Packers were wearing Bears jerseys, you guys would be talking more **** about MLF than I am.

Im calling BS on this point.

Who is saying MLF is above criticism?

The things you have a hard time seeing is just because a coach has a fault or has had bad moments it doesn't automatically mean hes not a good coach and that 98% of the **** you talk about coaches you can say about pretty much every coach ever.

There's not a coach in the league that would pass your purity test. That's why you get called out on it



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[Ron Swanson]

Pound the over on those Packers SB odds guys. If rilamann says a coach sucks, then you can basically set your watch to the complete opposite being true lol, and we're gonna win a championship within the next year. It's like the reverse jinx "kiss of death".

[PintSizedBox10]

It's a pretty big year for Lafleur imo. I think a deep playoff run is all but required to have continued faith in him moving forward.

[trwi7]

Malpractice. Incompetence. How are you, as the head coach not drilling this into Love's head during the last timeout and getting multiple plays in so you can get to the line and run them quickly?

Read on Twitter

[rilamann]

Must be hard being perfect and torture for you to support your favorite sports teams.

I have the ability to call things how I see them. Even if it is my team.

If everything was exactly the same Sunday night but the Packers were wearing Bears jerseys, you guys would be talking more **** about MLF than I am.

Im calling BS on this point.

Who is saying MLF is above criticism?

The things you have a hard time seeing is just because a coach has a fault or has had bad moments it doesn't automatically mean hes not a good coach and that 98% of the **** you talk about coaches you can say about pretty much every coach ever.

There's not a coach in the league that would pass your purity test. That's why you get called out on it



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Who is saying MLF is above criticism?

The people who can only respond with snarky comments.

Don't just call me Helen Keller. Explain why I am wrong about MLF being a bad coach. Sell me on why he is a good coach if you disagree with me.

That's why we are here, right? For debate and discussion. Not to get butt hurt and emotional every time someone says something that you disagree with like our guy Twirl up there.

And you guys absolutely would be having a field day if everything was the same but it was the Bear's coached by MLF Sunday night. Don't be disingenuous...lol.

And my criticisms of MLF are based on everything I have seen from MLF since 2019. I am not basing anything just off of Sunday night or the Browns game.


There's not a coach in the league that would pass your purity test. That's why you get called out on it

To be fair.

Ray Rhodes
Mike Sherman
Mike McCarthy
Matt Lafleur

Have been the Packer's coaches since 1998. I dare you to sell me on even 1 of those 4 guys being a great NFL head coach.

When the organization tells the fan base It's all about Super Bowls in Green Bay and then those are the 4 head coaches they trot out there over 27 year period, I am going to hold them to the standard that the organization put out there for itself.

If the organization said It's all about winning a playoff game every 2 or 3 years I would say MLF is fine for the standard you set.

[rilamann]

Pound the over on those Packers SB odds guys. If rilamann says a coach sucks, then you can basically set your watch to the complete opposite being true lol, and we're gonna win a championship within the next year. It's like the reverse jinx "kiss of death".

I wish that was actually true, if it was Mike McCarthy would probably have more rings than Belichick by now.

[Iheartfootball]

I have the ability to call things how I see them. Even if it is my team.

If everything was exactly the same Sunday night but the Packers were wearing Bears jerseys, you guys would be talking more **** about MLF than I am.

Im calling BS on this point.

Who is saying MLF is above criticism?

The things you have a hard time seeing is just because a coach has a fault or has had bad moments it doesn't automatically mean hes not a good coach and that 98% of the **** you talk about coaches you can say about pretty much every coach ever.

There's not a coach in the league that would pass your purity test. That's why you get called out on it



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Who is saying MLF is above criticism?

The people who can only respond with snarky comments.

Don't just call me Helen Keller. Explain why I am wrong about MLF being a bad coach. Sell me on why he is a good coach if you disagree with me.

That's why we are here, right? For debate and discussion. Not to get butt hurt and emotional every time someone says something that you disagree with like our guy Twirl up there.

And you guys absolutely would be having a field day with MLF that were the Bears playing the Cowboys Sunday night.

And my criticisms of MLF are based on everything I have seen from since 2019. I am not basing anything just off of Sunday night or the Browns game.


There's not a coach in the league that would pass your purity test. That's why you get called out on it

To be fair.

Ray Rhodes
Mike Sherman
Mike McCarthy
Matt Lafleur

Have been the Packer's coaches since 1998. I dare you to sell me on even 1 of those 4 guys being a great NFL head coach.

When the organization tells the fan base It's all about Super Bowls in Green Bay and then those are the 4 head coaches they trot out there over 27 year period, I am going to hold them to the standard that the organization put out there for itself.

If the organization said It's all about winning a playoff game every 2 or 3 years I would say MLF is fine for the standard you set.

Okay, I’ll just speak for myself here. The problem with your logic is that you see things in black and white, right or wrong, good or bad. Just because I don’t agree with your take on a coach or player doesn’t mean I think they’re flawless. What I’m saying is people are complex, the sum of their parts, not just their arm, brain, or heart. Writing someone off entirely is basically the same thing you accuse Twirl of: getting butthurt and emotional and falling into rigid, binary takes.

And if we take the view that sports are more about the journey than the destination, then maybe there’s more joy in riding the ups and downs of a season than in hammering every misstep. It leads to deeper conversation, fewer hot takes, and (at least for me) a more satisfying experience as a fan.

I’m not trying to pigeonhole you; you’re far from the only one who does this, and I’ve fallen into it myself plenty of times. I just wanted to offer another lens on how we talk about this stuff.

[MVP2110]

I have the ability to call things how I see them. Even if it is my team.

If everything was exactly the same Sunday night but the Packers were wearing Bears jerseys, you guys would be talking more **** about MLF than I am.

Im calling BS on this point.

Who is saying MLF is above criticism?

The things you have a hard time seeing is just because a coach has a fault or has had bad moments it doesn't automatically mean hes not a good coach and that 98% of the **** you talk about coaches you can say about pretty much every coach ever.

There's not a coach in the league that would pass your purity test. That's why you get called out on it



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Who is saying MLF is above criticism?

The people who can only respond with snarky comments.

Don't just call me Helen Keller. Explain why I am wrong about MLF being a bad coach. Sell me on why he is a good coach if you disagree with me.

That's why we are here, right? For debate and discussion. Not to get butt hurt and emotional every time someone says something that you disagree with like our guy Twirl up there.

And you guys absolutely would be having a field day if everything was the same but it was the Bear's coached by MLF Sunday night. Don't be disingenuous...lol.

And my criticisms of MLF are based on everything I have seen from MLF since 2019. I am not basing anything just off of Sunday night or the Browns game.


There's not a coach in the league that would pass your purity test. That's why you get called out on it

To be fair.

Ray Rhodes
Mike Sherman
Mike McCarthy
Matt Lafleur

Have been the Packer's coaches since 1998. I dare you to sell me on even 1 of those 4 guys being a great NFL head coach.

When the organization tells the fan base It's all about Super Bowls in Green Bay and then those are the 4 head coaches they trot out there over 27 year period, I am going to hold them to the standard that the organization put out there for itself.

If the organization said It's all about winning a playoff game every 2 or 3 years I would say MLF is fine for the standard you set.

There are numerous ways he's a good coach. Ill name a few

1)His work with QBs is astounding
-Matt Ryan's QB coach during his MVP season
-immediately turned Rodgers back into an MVP QB after several years of being just good
-developed Love into a top 10 QB by nearly all advanced metrics

2)is widely regarded as one of the best offensive play designers & play callers in the NFL

3)His team doesn't quit in games(numerous 4th quarter comebacks) or in a season(huge turnaround in 2023)

4)Not afraid to make changes when he deems necessary and isnt content at just being good(fired guys like Pettine, Mennenga, & Barry after deep playoff runs), fired Drayton after only one season

5)Has dealt with off field issues masterfully, incidents with Rodgers, Doubs, Jaire(just to name a few) didn't linger and the team as a whole was able to move forward

Now that's not to say he's perfect. In the last 2 years he's gone from being one of the most aggressive coaches in the NFL to one of the most conservative, that's an issue. I'm not sure he's actually good at hiring coordinators since Hafley seems to be the only good one he's hired. But overall his strengths significantly outweigh his weaknesses imo

In general when fans watch the same coach over & over again they tend to notice the flaws in that guy moreso than other coaches around the NFL, and then think they can hire a guy to come in and fix those flaws while keeping the same strengths. But every coach has flaws so if we moved on from MLF we are likely to get worse in areas where MLF has proven to be very good at