ATL - 2025 NFL Playoffs

Post #81 » by **ReasonablySober** » Mon Sep 16, 2024 6:11 pm

Post #82 » by **MickeyDavis** » Mon Sep 16, 2024 6:18 pm

We'll give them a 7th and he can back up Love next season.

ETA, Willis actually has a year to go on his contract so we'll probably keep around.

Ron Swanson · Post #83 » by **Ron Swanson** » Mon Sep 16, 2024 6:29 pm

He honestly has a case for the biggest draft bust ever. Even Jamarcus Russell put up better numbers and got 7-wins as a starter.

neiLz · Post #84 » by **neiLz** » Mon Sep 16, 2024 6:35 pm

Sad to see this about young. But carolina has the worst owner in the nfl. Didnt the previous staff want stroud but the owner wanted young... then when young was struggling last year the owner watched espn to see nfl live talk about youngs footwork, so the owner being the nfl genius he is decided to let the coach know to work on loves footwork. Then two weeks later the coach was fired. Glad the packers dont have a meddling owner.

Post #85 » by **ReasonablySober** » Mon Sep 16, 2024 6:42 pm

I've repeated Foxworth in the past, but I trust his analysis. Every QB drafted can play the position and what matters is the situation you put around him. Guys are undone by bad offensive lines, bad weapons, bad schemes, and bad culture. I mean, just look at what happened yesterday in Green Bay. Willis got a win and looked competent after only being on the job for three weeks. Does anyone honestly believe that Young couldn't do exactly what Purdy's done in San Fran? Or raise an eyebrow when Geno and Darnold look like crap in NY and suddenly turn into MVP candidates when they get out of that hell hole?

Some of these organizations just straight up ruin quarterbacks.

WeekapaugGroove · Post #86 » by **WeekapaugGroove** » Mon Sep 16, 2024 7:17 pm

ReasonablySober wrote:I've repeated Foxworth in the past, but I trust his analysis. Every QB drafted can play the position and what matters is the situation you put around him. Guys are undone by bad offensive lines, bad weapons, bad schemes, and bad culture. I mean, just look at what happened yesterday in Green Bay. Willis got a win and looked competent after only being on the job for three weeks. Does anyone honestly believe that Young couldn't do exactly what Purdy's done in San Fran? Or raise an eyebrow when Geno and Darnold look like crap in NY and suddenly turn into MVP candidates when they get out of that hell hole?

Some of these organizations just straight up ruin quarterbacks.

I'm not quite there thinking it's 100% situation, otherwise we'd see way more busts do better when they get a second shot with another organization.

With Young specifically he's just so so small. I know we've seen some little guys make it work but it's an actual issue. Which is why it was **** insane to trade up and take him.

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neiLz · Post #87 » by **neiLz** » Mon Sep 16, 2024 7:27 pm

Sam darnold is an example. Hes not a world beater but can run a system. Heck baker mayfield has turned it around. Lots of **** front offices and organizations out there.

WeekapaugGroove · Post #88 » by **WeekapaugGroove** » Mon Sep 16, 2024 7:42 pm

neiLz wrote:Sam darnold is an example. Hes not a world beater but can run a system. Heck baker mayfield has turned it around. Lots of **** front offices and organizations out there.

Bakers really about the same guy he was in Cleveland when he was healthy. He had one injury riddled year and they foolishly decided to upgrade to the happy ending dude.

We'll see on Darnold. Geoff is another example but again it's not like he was terrible with LA.

Still way more Turbisky types who suck even when given a chance with a good org like Pitts. Or how about the 49ers, didn't work out with Lance but does with Purdy.

Now yes some orgs ruin QBs especially if their line is trash. But I also think it's just really really hard to predict NFL success from a college resume for multiple reasons. Like a guy like young definitely benefited from playing with super talent on his college team, but you could say the same about Stroud...

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emunney · Post #89 » by **emunney** » Mon Sep 16, 2024 7:45 pm

ReasonablySober wrote:I've repeated Foxworth in the past, but I trust his analysis. Every QB drafted can play the position and what matters is the situation you put around him. Guys are undone by bad offensive lines, bad weapons, bad schemes, and bad culture. I mean, just look at what happened yesterday in Green Bay. Willis got a win and looked competent after only being on the job for three weeks. Does anyone honestly believe that Young couldn't do exactly what Purdy's done in San Fran? Or raise an eyebrow when Geno and Darnold look like crap in NY and suddenly turn into MVP candidates when they get out of that hell hole?

Some of these organizations just straight up ruin quarterbacks.

That's a little too far for me. I don't think all these guys can play. I definitely believe that QB play is more of a symptom of the team than we generally assume, but I also think that, like you see in any other sport, there are guys who either aren't motivated enough or are otherwise incapable of making the adjustments they need to make to the speed of the pro game, and players who have the ability but who need time to learn. But generally, yeah, you put a marginally capable guy in a great situation, and he'll look capable; put the same player on a team with no OL, he'll look totally worthless.

I'm not sure I believe that Young could do exactly what Purdy's done in SF. Maybe. I'd buy that if you swapped their teams, there'd be a lot less apparent distance between them. I think you probably agree with me that the main thing with Young is that, relatively speaking, it's just really easy to be a QB in Tuscaloosa. Which is itself a limited affirmation of your theory.

I recognize this isn't a groundbreaking post.

Ron Swanson · Post #90 » by **Ron Swanson** » Mon Sep 16, 2024 7:49 pm

Sam Darnold literally played for that same trash Carolina organization 2-years ago and had a career year though lol. Obviously the situation/organization you're drafted into plays a huge role, but the bigger factor is that, again, these young QB's are getting thrown into the fire way too early and expected to succeed immediately. Like, it's a stupid process when you don't have the proper infrastructure (coaching, defense, run-game) for an inexperienced 22-year old QB that needs it most, but panicky, short-sighted NFL organizations still do it and never seem to learn (see: Jets, Bears, Titans).

emunney · Post #91 » by **emunney** » Mon Sep 16, 2024 7:54 pm

Ron Swanson wrote:Sam Darnold literally played for that same trash Carolina organization 2-years ago and had a career year though lol. Obviously the situation/organization you're drafted into plays a huge role, but the bigger factor is that, again, these young QB's are getting thrown into the fire way too early and expected to succeed immediately. Like, it's a stupid process when you don't have the proper infrastructure (coaching, defense, run-game) for an inexperienced 22-year old QB that needs it most, but panicky, short-sighted NFL organizations still do it and never seem to learn (see: Jets, Bears, Titans).

Lot more Steve Young career paths than CJ Strouds, that's for sure.

MVP2110 · Post #92 » by **MVP2110** » Mon Sep 16, 2024 8:41 pm

Fascinating look at the direction of the modern NFL

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Ron Swanson · Post #93 » by **Ron Swanson** » Mon Sep 16, 2024 9:00 pm

MVP2110 wrote:Fascinating look at the direction of the modern NFL

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What made Joe Barry such a maddeningly dumb DC in a nutshell. Modern NFL offenses are more knowledgeable/equipped than ever to exploit Cover-2 defense, and yet we had a guy whose entire philosophy was built around only stopping big plays at the expense of letting mediocre offenses check-down us to death.

jute2003 · Post #94 » by **jute2003** » Mon Sep 16, 2024 9:48 pm

It's been two games. Williams does not qualify for biggest bust in nfl draft history...yet.

I do think it's likely that he was never one of the best qb prospects ever though. That doesn't mean he's doomed to fail

Post #95 » by **humanrefutation** » Mon Sep 16, 2024 11:56 pm

It'll be funny when Carolina tries to draft Arch Manning only to see him force them to trade the pick, like Eli with the Chargers back then.

Mags FTW · Post #96 » by **Mags FTW** » Tue Sep 17, 2024 1:58 am

Do people really think we want to see Jason Kelce THIS much?

RubberSoul · Post #97 » by **RubberSoul** » Tue Sep 17, 2024 2:22 am

Mags FTW wrote:Do people really think we want to see Jason Kelce THIS much?

Absolutely not from my perspective anyway. Overload for sure.

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Post #98 » by **humanrefutation** » Tue Sep 17, 2024 2:38 am

Read on Twitter

Kirk is cooked.

Post #99 » by **MickeyDavis** » Tue Sep 17, 2024 2:42 am

Kelce is a McAfee wannabe. I hate McAfee.

blazza18 · Post #100 » by **blazza18** » Tue Sep 17, 2024 2:51 am

Leave my centre alone