2022 NFL Draft discussion

[MickeyDavis]

Going by the point chart, which I realize isn't 100% accurate nor do GM's follow it 100%, #22 and #59 (1,090 points) will get you #14 (1,100 points). Obviously it depends who they are targeting at #14. I'd do it for Wilson. Maybe.

[LittleRooster]

Going by the point chart, which I realize isn't 100% accurate nor do GM's follow it 100%, #22 and #59 (1,090 points) will get you #14 (1,100 points). Obviously it depends who they are targeting at #14. I'd do it for Wilson. Maybe.

I’d do it for London but I think he goes before then


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[humanrefutation]

If they trade up, I'd be surprised if it's for a WR. The class is pretty deep. I could see them doing it for a DL they really like. But I expect them to stand pat or even make a small move back.

[M-C-G]

If they trade up, I'd be surprised if it's for a WR. The class is pretty deep. I could see them doing it for a DL they really like. But I expect them to stand pat or even make a small move back.

Yeah I don’t like London for two first nearly as much as I like Pickens for trading back to the second and getting a third to boot


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[RRyder823]

Ever since Adams and T Hill were dealt for 1 first and 1 second (in value) it seems like people think every good WR is/should gonna fetch a 1st and 2nd in value (if not more) while forgetting Adams and Hill are better WRs and worth more considering all these other WRs also are gonna need new contracts

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[DrWood]

It has worked out pretty well for Gute, based on those charts posted above all 5 of his 1st round picks were taken before they were supposed to be. I think we can safely claim Jaire, Gary, and Stokes all as hits.

It's nice to have a $100 bill. It's even nicer when you didn't spend $110 for it.

Are you seriously complaining that Gute took guys like Jaire, Gary, and Stokes too early?

complaining might be a strong word. pointing out that it's a sub-optimal approach.

[DrWood]

I saw an unconfirmed rumor that Atlanta covets Jordan Love and will do "whatever it takes" to acquire him.
I'd want #43 and #58 for him, if that's true.

[DrWood]

Unless you have access to every team’s draft board there’s no such thing as consensus. Fans get too caught up in this kind of stuff because of all the “expert” mock drafts and simulator games that are available.

Of course a GM can fall in love with a player and take them earlier than expected.
I think it's proven to be a better strategy to let the draft come to you - - with a few exceptions - - than reaching for someone you could have gotten 16+ slots later.
It might be interesting to see how guys turned out who were drafted by a team who moved up specifically to draft him.

That's not realistic at all beyond the top 10. Too many mock drafts for you. Your understanding of "reaching" is based on the media big boards not the 32 big boards that actually matter. Plus, the option to trade down is not always there.

Oh, I know, it would've been nice to get an extra 4th round pick before drafting Stokes because that's what PFF says, but I suppose we'll just have to settle for securing the best or 2nd best cornerback of the draft at pick 28. How awful

so you're saying teams have imperfect knowledge about how the other teams rank players,
but perfect knowledge about which prospect will become the best or 2nd best players at their position?
Because the draft is such a crapshoot, it's best to get more chances to roll the dice.

[DrWood]

Read an article yesterday with quotes from around the league, and everyone is predicting this to be a pretty wild first round for a couple reasons

I feel like it's always supposed to be wild for some reason, and that it most often ends up being a dud anyways.

It's always "wild" because some teams will pick guys that the pundits think should be picked much later, and some guy(s) will unexpectantly drop 10+ slots.

[DrWood]

If they trade up, I'd be surprised if it's for a WR. The class is pretty deep. I could see them doing it for a DL they really like. But I expect them to stand pat or even make a small move back.

Yeah I don’t like London for two first nearly as much as I like Pickens for trading back to the second and getting a third to boot


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I'd do that 100 times out of 100, assuming the trade-down offer was reasonable.

[DrWood]

There aren’t many “elite” guys left to trade for. McLaurin is putting up 1,000 yard seasons with multiple bad qbs and teams zeroing in on him because he is one of the few options. You place that talent with a competent offense around him and it elevates his play even more. And the contract doesn’t worry me because he’s still only 26. I don’t think you can bank on a rookie wideout putting up close to that. I think there was a stat floating around that only 10 in the history of first round rookie wideouts gained close to a thousand yards. I’ll have to find that stat after my meeting.

There were 2 drafted in 2021 who had over 1000 yards, and a third who had 916.
In 2020, there are 2 more who have averaged over 1000 yards a season, and a third who has 1999 yards. And 3 more who have over 1,500 yards in 2 seasons.

[Swan Vox]

I still think I’m taking the risk on Pickens. He has all the things you want physically. Here’s to hoping that he just needs to grow up. Green Bay could be the right environment for that to happen.

[M-C-G]

If they trade up, I'd be surprised if it's for a WR. The class is pretty deep. I could see them doing it for a DL they really like. But I expect them to stand pat or even make a small move back.

Yeah I don’t like London for two first nearly as much as I like Pickens for trading back to the second and getting a third to boot


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I'd do that 100 times out of 100, assuming the trade-down offer was reasonable.

I think there is a world where you can move Love and 28 for Lockett and 40 (and maybe more).
Then take Pickens or Watson at 40.

I'd feel great about our WR situation even if you had to trade down from 22 a few spots to get a third or fourth you use to send to SEA in getting Lockett.

That still leaves you with a first, gets you Lockett and a good high upside rookie WR to round out the core.

[M-C-G]

It's nice to have a $100 bill. It's even nicer when you didn't spend $110 for it.

Are you seriously complaining that Gute took guys like Jaire, Gary, and Stokes too early?

complaining might be a strong word. pointing out that it's a sub-optimal approach.

All depends on your talent eval process and how you tier the talent left on the board. I'd never complain about trading up to acquire what appear to be three pro bowl level talents (hopefully).

It's when you feel there are plenty of options left in the same tier, I'd move down all day. Based on where we drafted those three, it would appear our talent eval process was extremely high on them, Jenkins and Savage. It would appear Savage is the one that looks like a whiff compared to where guys were perceived to go in the first two rounds.

It obviously gets a bit uglier when you drop into round three under Gute.

[MoMM]

I saw an unconfirmed rumor that Atlanta covets Jordan Love and will do "whatever it takes" to acquire him.
I'd want #43 and #58 for him, if that's true.

They want to get their Brett Favre back from us

[LikeABosh]

Of course a GM can fall in love with a player and take them earlier than expected.
I think it's proven to be a better strategy to let the draft come to you - - with a few exceptions - - than reaching for someone you could have gotten 16+ slots later.
It might be interesting to see how guys turned out who were drafted by a team who moved up specifically to draft him.

That's not realistic at all beyond the top 10. Too many mock drafts for you. Your understanding of "reaching" is based on the media big boards not the 32 big boards that actually matter. Plus, the option to trade down is not always there.

Oh, I know, it would've been nice to get an extra 4th round pick before drafting Stokes because that's what PFF says, but I suppose we'll just have to settle for securing the best or 2nd best cornerback of the draft at pick 28. How awful

so you're saying teams have imperfect knowledge about how the other teams rank players,
but perfect knowledge about which prospect will become the best or 2nd best players at their position?
Because the draft is such a crapshoot, it's best to get more chances to roll the dice.

Uh, no. But they certainly have a list and do their homework. If they and other teams give someone a first round grade, they don't care that pff says he's #78 on their big board. If Eric Stokes was their #2 corner in the draft, then they're gonna take him early and not try to **** around with obtaining the highest possible amount of draft value units. That's for us football nerds to have fun with, but it's not always doable

Because the draft is such a crapshoot, it's best to get more chances to roll the dice.

They definitely don't believe that (true or not)

[M-C-G]

I still think I’m taking the risk on Pickens. He has all the things you want physically. Here’s to hoping that he just needs to grow up. Green Bay could be the right environment for that to happen.

Precisely how I feel, and if he gives you the creeps, you pivot to Watson who has a lot of great physical talent but needs to be refined. Great plan B IMO.

[JimmyTheKid]

I saw an unconfirmed rumor that Atlanta covets Jordan Love and will do "whatever it takes" to acquire him.
I'd want #43 and #58 for him, if that's true.

All rumors are "unconfirmed" at this point. Can you just post the link?

[LikeABosh]

I still think I’m taking the risk on Pickens. He has all the things you want physically. Here’s to hoping that he just needs to grow up. Green Bay could be the right environment for that to happen.

Yeah, I hope the Packers can look past whatever concerns there are. He's still fairly young. Not like Devonte Wyatt who is 25 and still has some baggage

[M-C-G]

I saw an unconfirmed rumor that Atlanta covets Jordan Love and will do "whatever it takes" to acquire him.
I'd want #43 and #58 for him, if that's true.

All rumors are "unconfirmed" at this point. Can you just post the link?

Yeah, you can find it here... fakesportsinsider@fakewhispers.gov