Packers 2020 Offseason Thread - Packers Talking Extension with Aaron Jones

th87 · Post #901 » by **th87** » Sun May 17, 2020 2:27 am

Jollay wrote:
th87 wrote:If Rodgers is traded without another SB, will TT's tenure be considered one of the greatest meltdowns ever? Who expected this in 2010? We were poised for a dynasty.

I am as critical as TT as anyone, and he certainly deserves blame, but I don't look at it that way. Although he should have been icing the cake a lot better with FAs and deadline trades early, hard to argue the playoff losses to the Giants and the Hawks were on him, and Rodgers was hurt two big chunks two years.

But him giving us one of the youngest rosters every year through the 10's was stupid. As was the yearly persistence that there were Sam Shields-esque players in every UFA class.

Agree. 2011 obviously isn't on him, but his drafts fell off hard after about that point, and the lack of icing is largely what prevented us from getting a bye week (only 3 times out 12 years in the Rodgers era, which is amazing). Bottom of the roster players cost us games we may not have lost if they signed some C-level veterans rather than relying on UDFAs out of the league shortly after leaving the Packers.

Even a little FA activity would've gone a lot way.

Post #902 » by **humanrefutation** » Sun May 17, 2020 2:29 am

It's funny how the media is isolating two quotes from that Rodgers interview - him saying he wasn't thrilled about the move and him saying that retiring as a Packer may not be a reality.

They ignore everything else which was team-first in spirit and respectful of Love. They make it seem like Aaron was throwing haymakers when he really didn't say anything that was surprising or notable. He was perfectly reasonable.

Post #903 » by **humanrefutation** » Sun May 17, 2020 2:30 am

TT's unwillingness to dip into FA to make shrewd signings was his biggest flaw, IMO. I don't think he needed to ink big deals with name FAs that almost never work out. He just needed to know how to plug a whole here and there with a smart signing. He had too much hubris.

Treebeard · Post #904 » by **Treebeard** » Sun May 17, 2020 2:38 am

humanrefutation wrote:It's funny how the media is isolating two quotes from that Rodgers interview - him saying he wasn't thrilled about the move and him saying that retiring as a Packer may not be a reality.

They ignore everything else which was team-first in spirit and respectful of Love. They make it seem like Aaron was throwing haymakers when he really didn't say anything that was surprising or notable. He was perfectly reasonable.

Being a pro and a good teamate doesn't generate clicks, but trying to fan up a fire does. Especially when there's little else to cover. Goodell's quite happy to get people looking the other way from the fellows under criminal investigation too.

th87 · Post #905 » by **th87** » Sun May 17, 2020 2:54 am

RRyder823 wrote:
th87 wrote:If Rodgers is traded without another SB, will TT's tenure be considered one of the greatest meltdowns ever? Who expected this in 2010? We were poised for a dynasty.
Was Wolfs tenure one of the greatest meltdowns ever?

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Ron Wolf is slightly overrated too (because we sucked for so long before him). TT was probably the better drafter.

Trading for Favre was a ballsy move, but he ultimately wasn't able to get enough high-end talent around him (his own admission). Power struggling with Holmgren and then giving Sherman what Holmgren wanted was terrible (neither should've gotten it).

Not replenishing WR talent in 98 after Brooks' decline was a mistake. Hiring Rhodes (and not supplying him with talent) was also. Sherman was a good coaching hire, and Hatley was a good FO hire. Huge mistake to make Sherman both coach and GM, and Hatley's death compounded this.

BJ Sandered · Post #906 » by **BJ Sandered** » Sun May 17, 2020 3:22 am

humanrefutation wrote:TT's unwillingness to dip into FA to make shrewd signings was his biggest flaw, IMO. I don't think he needed to ink big deals with name FAs that almost never work out. He just needed to know how to plug a whole here and there with a smart signing. He had too much hubris.

And from the sounds of it, major declining mental faculties.

Ayt · Post #907 » by **Ayt** » Sun May 17, 2020 1:00 pm

humanrefutation wrote:It's funny how the media is isolating two quotes from that Rodgers interview - him saying he wasn't thrilled about the move and him saying that retiring as a Packer may not be a reality.

They ignore everything else which was team-first in spirit and respectful of Love. They make it seem like Aaron was throwing haymakers when he really didn't say anything that was surprising or notable. He was perfectly reasonable.

His comments are pretty much exactly what you'd expect from Rodgers and I believe he's being honest. I don't see there being friction with Love. If anything, this will be a good motivator for AR.

WeekapaugGroove · Post #908 » by **WeekapaugGroove** » Sun May 17, 2020 10:34 pm

I think TT miscalculated the caps significant rise the past decade. His strategy was sound for the flat cap years before that where signing FAs really could **** you but when it started rising at the rate it that wasn't the case.

But overall any team building strategy can work if you execute. The problem was he missed on some drafts and that killed them.

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Ron Swanson · Post #909 » by **Ron Swanson** » Mon May 18, 2020 2:40 pm

I guess I still don't understand why SB participation trophies are used as this sort of barometer for franchise success. Cool, San Fran showed up to the Super Bowl twice in 9 years and lost both times. And with a 5-year stretch of garbage football/rebuild in the middle. We've been light years ahead of them in terms of success and roster building over the last decade.

Daver · Post #910 » by **Daver** » Mon May 18, 2020 3:32 pm

Isnt that why you play any sport for the championships i dont for a second think it doesnt bother Marino or tarkington that neither has a SB ring.
All im saying is i truly believe a teams success should be related to a SB win a WS win a NBA finals win.My dad was my babe ruth coach n he always said 2nd place sucks.Just 1 mans opinion.
To the packers i think only 1 SB in rodgers time us a huge disappointment the problem is murphys ce la vie attitude doesnt help with his almost like well we won the division thats good enough.
Can you imagine the out cry in NE if thats all kraft wanted was just the division title every year

RRyder823 · Post #911 » by **RRyder823** » Mon May 18, 2020 5:44 pm

Ahh the good ole "They're content with just winning the division" argument. You know its nice to hear new songs but sometimes the classics are fun the listen to also

Because as we know the team that wins the SB every year is the team that actually wanted to win and 31 others said "naw we good"

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Daver · Post #912 » by **Daver** » Mon May 18, 2020 6:10 pm

RRyder823 wrote:Ahh the good ole "They're content with just winning the division" argument. You know its nice to hear new songs but sometimes the classics are fun the listen to also

Because as we know the team that wins the SB every year is the team that actually wanted to win and 31 others said "naw we good"

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How many times have your heard the ass clown at tbe end of the season either when GB is 1 n done or misses the playoffs MM will get up there and never mention the SB or winning the SB his words are well our goal is to win the division.Most owners n GMs goal is to win the SB he never seems to have any sence of urgency in winning another one.I mean am I wrong

Profound23 · Post #913 » by **Profound23** » Mon May 18, 2020 6:56 pm

RRyder823 wrote:Ahh the good ole "They're content with just winning the division" argument. You know its nice to hear new songs but sometimes the classics are fun the listen to also

Because as we know the team that wins the SB every year is the team that actually wanted to win and 31 others said "naw we good"

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The ironic thing is, if nothing else this draft proved they are dedicated to doing more than just status quo.

Profound23 · Post #914 » by **Profound23** » Mon May 18, 2020 6:58 pm

What still kills me, every time I talk to a Packer hater who for the past 10+ years has told me Aaron is overrated they say, "I can't believe you guys are pushing Rodgers out of the door. How are you not drafting players to compliment him?"

Just goes to show how much hate has them talking out of their ass.

Treebeard · Post #915 » by **Treebeard** » Mon May 18, 2020 7:13 pm

RRyder823 wrote:Ahh the good ole "They're content with just winning the division" argument. You know its nice to hear new songs but sometimes the classics are fun the listen to also

Because as we know the team that wins the SB every year is the team that actually wanted to win and 31 others said "naw we good"

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Oh, I believe they've always gone into the season with a guarded plan to win every game, including the SB. The trouble has been the inability of the FO, coaches, and players to close the deal for various reasons. Then, the artful dancing in the post-season pressers starts.

Murphy, TT, and McCarthy were not good at that. Rogers is better, but comes off as surly - and under the circumstance - I understand surly.

Treebeard · Post #916 » by **Treebeard** » Mon May 18, 2020 7:31 pm

Whenever that day comes.... What does Rogers do after his playing days are over? I can't see him coaching, nor can I see him going to at-game color commentary. He doesn't have the easy humor of Romo, and he'd probably come off as the snarkier version of Aikman. Might he go to one of the panel groups? Bradshaw, Johnson, Dungy, Cowher, aren't going to continue forever.

M-C-G · Post #917 » by **M-C-G** » Mon May 18, 2020 7:53 pm

Treebeard wrote:Whenever that day comes.... What does Rogers do after his playing days are over? I can't see him coaching, nor can I see him going to at-game color commentary. He doesn't have the easy humor of Romo, and he'd probably come off as the snarkier version of Aikman. Might he go to one of the panel groups? Bradshaw, Johnson, Dungy, Cowher, aren't going to continue forever.

I would think he would be outstanding in the booth but part of me thinks he might just walk away for a few years after he is done playing

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Treebeard · Post #918 » by **Treebeard** » Mon May 18, 2020 8:23 pm

M-C-G wrote:
Treebeard wrote:Whenever that day comes.... What does Rogers do after his playing days are over? I can't see him coaching, nor can I see him going to at-game color commentary. He doesn't have the easy humor of Romo, and he'd probably come off as the snarkier version of Aikman. Might he go to one of the panel groups? Bradshaw, Johnson, Dungy, Cowher, aren't going to continue forever.

I would think he would be outstanding in the booth but part of me thinks he might just walk away for a few years after he is done playing

Maybe you're right. Rogers is articulate enough to do a good job in the booth, but he may want a break too. Brady is the guy who will be the sought after "Golden Boy" for some of those spots. Does Eli Manning do the good-old-boy schtick like Peyton? He's anothe one that might be sought after as some form of an announcer.

Ron Swanson · Post #919 » by **Ron Swanson** » Mon May 18, 2020 9:13 pm

If there's anything that Rodgers and Favre have in common, I think it's that both guys didn't/don't have much interest in continuing a career in football past their playing days. Maybe I'm wrong, but Aaron doesn't seem the type to put on the fake smile and go join a broadcast team immediately after hanging em up. I could see him being a correspondent for BarStool Sports before I ever see him at an ESPN roundtable.

Post #920 » by **humanrefutation** » Mon May 18, 2020 9:20 pm

Ron Swanson wrote:If there's anything that Rodgers and Favre have in common, I think it's that both guys didn't/don't have much interest in continuing a career in football past their playing days. Maybe I'm wrong, but Aaron doesn't seem the type to put on the fake smile and go join a broadcast team immediately after hanging em up. I could see him being a correspondent for BarStool Sports before I ever see him at an ESPN roundtable.

I think they'll be more selective. It's been reported that Favre tried out for MNF and didn't get the gig. Rodgers could end up doing some sort of radio or TV gig, but not in the Boomer Esiason/Terry Bradshaw kind of way. More likely he'd host his own show or be a regular feature on a big national show.

I don't think he'd do Barstool, though. Not with their toxic rep.