2019 Packers Off Season Thread - Cut Day Saturday

[WeekapaugGroove]

I’d have thought more of the article if Bob McGinn wrote it. Of course there will be axes to grind. All these guys have egos, NFL careers are short. The author is taking some legit issues and amping them up IMO.

In the end Ted Thompson lost Dorsey and Schneider as his 1a and 1b personnel guys. The teams personnel went in the **** and McCarthy and Rodgers both tried to overcome it but couldn’t.

I still really had a great time as a fan with that ten year run despite only one Super Bowl.

I think mcginn has a bit of an ax to grind with several people so put more into Tyler writing it than him. Now the inclusion of Jennings and Finley does hurt it because there's no doubt they are biased.


I almost look at the SB thing the other way. If you believe whats in here then the packers might have been fortunate to get that one SB with the level of dysfunction it suggests.

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[MAC1987]

Exactly. It's far more nuanced than just one person. Sounds like there were many dysfunctional relationships, which, given the egos, spotlight, and money involved make me wonder how most franchises don't have similar issues. Feels like the Bucks/Brewers situations are probably the exception and not the norm.

This sums it up some of that nuance for me:

'One ex-Packers scout puts it on both. He describes Rodgers as an arrogant quarterback quick to blame everyone but himself—one who's "not as smart as he thinks he is"—yet kindly points out that McCarthy basically quit on his team.'

when did AROD start not listening to MM? And doing what he wanted? Before or after MM was getting massages and skipping team meetings?

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I'm not sure what you mean? Does that mean it's okay for Rodgers to engage in passive aggressive behavior and not attend to being a team leader? Or am I missing your point?

I think MM is had just as much to do with the dysfunction as Rodgers, TT, Murphy, and the Board.

I don't think the quote I added that 'sums it up for me' is helpful in solving the problem. Blaming someone doesn't help anyone. It might bring up the conflict but if that's the focus it will only perpetuate more hurt feelings. Because I don't see MM or Rodgers with good, let alone any, boundaries.

I feel it had less to do with AROD. And I'm ok with AROD changing plays because he knew MM was garbage. The things the article said MM did is not acceptable and any talented QB would not take that well.

The head coach was not giving it his all. This is unheard of what MM did.

But people focus on Rodgers ego and trying to be head coach because the actual head coach was not doing his job.

Now we know why the Packers had so many crazy bad plays and ended games poorly. The things our players did at the end of games is asinine.

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[StickeeFingaz]

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[FatMcCarthy]

I'm not too bright

[RiotPunch]

How on God's green Earth could Murphy let this sh*tstorm turn into a sh*t hurricane without intervening? Yeah, he was focused on making the organization year-round cheddar with the Titletown stuff, but if things were as obviously terrible as this article makes it seem, then this guy is either a complete idiot or too scared to rock a boat that's already sinking.

I think Gute is solid, and I hope he has the mettle to surround Aaron with coaches and players who can challenge him and awake the dragon.

We all know Aaron is not the easiest to work with, but that article is pulling too many quotes from the likes of Jermichael Finley and Greg Jennings, two pretty arrogant dudes themselves, searching for any kind of relevancy they can.

[HaroldinGMinor]

So rediculous.

Ridiculous

[RiotPunch]

rilamann is still kicking it, so not him.

Love you, rila.

[HaroldinGMinor]

I'm not too bright

Hahahahahaha

[BUCKnation]

Yeah, hard to take too much seriously from Jennings as he's been pure salt since he left the team, Finley less so, but still.

Crazy and said article though that no one was able to check these guys. Almost feels like a Fyre Fest scenario. Hopefully, with a mostly changed organization, they can win one more before Rodgers is done.

[Wizard87]

We all know Aaron is not the easiest to work with, but that article is pulling too many quotes from the likes of Jermichael Finley and Greg Jennings, two pretty arrogant dudes themselves, searching for any kind of relevancy they can

Ty Dunne on Foxsports radio this morning. Said he spoke to over 40 people. Clay Travis interviewed him. So the it's "only" guys like Finley and Jennings" spouting off argument is weak. There is a ton of smoke here and where there's smoke there is fire.

[JimmyTheKid]

Stand up guys like Ryan Grant and James Jones are pro-Rodgers. Clowns like Greg Jennings and JerMichael Finley with the incessant criticism. Says a lot. And what an absolute disaster a TT-FatMac pairing will prove to be. Yeah, yeah, "W-L record" and all that but if we only get 2 Super Bowls out of 30 years of first ballot HOF QB play history will not be kind, nor should it be. And McCarthy is exactly who many of us thought he was. The luckiest schlub in all of professional sports.

[RRyder823]

Stand up guys like Ryan Grant and James Jones are pro-Rodgers. Clowns like Greg Jennings and JerMichael Finley with the incessant criticism. Says a lot. And what an absolute disaster a TT-FatMac pairing will prove to be. Yeah, yeah, "W-L record" and all that but if we only get 2 Super Bowls out of 30 years of first ballot HOF QB play history will not be kind, nor should it be. And McCarthy is exactly who many of us thought he was. The luckiest schlub in all of professional sports.

So the article confirms your feelings on MM but you refuse to let it effect your feelings on Rodgers.... Gotcha

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[ReasonablySober]

Sent that to my dad and he shat all over it, calling it unworthy of even the National Enquirer. LOL. He does have a point though; lotta unnamed sources and the primary shots at Rodgers come from Jennings and Finley, literally the two guys known to have beef with him.

[Treebeard]

Stand up guys like Ryan Grant and James Jones are pro-Rodgers. Clowns like Greg Jennings and JerMichael Finley with the incessant criticism. Says a lot. And what an absolute disaster a TT-FatMac pairing will prove to be. Yeah, yeah, "W-L record" and all that but if we only get 2 Super Bowls out of 30 years of first ballot HOF QB play history will not be kind, nor should it be. And McCarthy is exactly who many of us thought he was. The luckiest schlub in all of professional sports.

So the article confirms your feelings on MM but you refuse to let it effect your feelings on Rodgers.... Gotcha

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Rogers has a long-standing reputation as being arrogant, cocky, what have you... But that self-confidence has also been a key to his success. FWIW, So far, we haven't seen much-wholehearted defense of Mac since this kerfuffle broke. If anything, more questions have appeared as to why he didn't get any real interest in the coaching hire sweepstakes at the end of the season - especially when he had a four-week head start. We have seen a number of former Packers with nothing to gain from their statements have stepped up in defense of Rogers. Jennings has long complained of how he was treated, so take that for what it's worth. There are no good looks in any of this situation, but I'm not going to fret about Roger's actions.

[JimmyTheKid]

Stand up guys like Ryan Grant and James Jones are pro-Rodgers. Clowns like Greg Jennings and JerMichael Finley with the incessant criticism. Says a lot. And what an absolute disaster a TT-FatMac pairing will prove to be. Yeah, yeah, "W-L record" and all that but if we only get 2 Super Bowls out of 30 years of first ballot HOF QB play history will not be kind, nor should it be. And McCarthy is exactly who many of us thought he was. The luckiest schlub in all of professional sports.

So the article confirms your feelings on MM but you refuse to let it effect your feelings on Rodgers.... Gotcha

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I'm willing to fully admit that Rodgers is probably difficult. That he has a huge ego. That he's tough to manage. That he's petty. That he holds grudges. So what? Many all-time greats have a lot of the same traits, GOAT Brady included. Michael Jordan? Sheesh. Kobe? Its up to management to put the right people in place to massage (heh heh) those egos correctly. And the Packers organization has failed miserably at doing so.

Bottom line is Rodgers has more than carried his weight where it counts, the field. Putting up arguably (but lets be real, theres no argument) the best numbers in history. Management has failed to surround him with the necessary talent (players/coaches) to get him in the GOAT conversation. Damn shame too. Could have been a really fun ride. Instead, we're talking about this crap when we should be obnoxiously gloating Brady/Gronk-walking-through-the-airport style.

What are your thoughts on James Jones and Ryan Grant fully going to bat for Rodgers? While bitter Greg Jennings and clownshoes JerMichael Finley rip him? Which of those pairs would you prefer to defend your character?

[RRyder823]

Stand up guys like Ryan Grant and James Jones are pro-Rodgers. Clowns like Greg Jennings and JerMichael Finley with the incessant criticism. Says a lot. And what an absolute disaster a TT-FatMac pairing will prove to be. Yeah, yeah, "W-L record" and all that but if we only get 2 Super Bowls out of 30 years of first ballot HOF QB play history will not be kind, nor should it be. And McCarthy is exactly who many of us thought he was. The luckiest schlub in all of professional sports.

So the article confirms your feelings on MM but you refuse to let it effect your feelings on Rodgers.... Gotcha

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I'm willing to fully admit that Rodgers is probably difficult. That he has a huge ego. That he's tough to manage. That he's petty. That he holds grudges. So what? Many all-time greats have a lot of the same traits, GOAT Brady included. Michael Jordan? Sheesh. Kobe? Its up to management to put the right people in place to massage (heh heh) those egos correctly. And the Packers organization has failed miserably at doing so.

Bottom line is Rodgers has more than carried his weight where it counts, the field. Putting up arguably (but lets be real, theres no argument) the best numbers in history. Management has failed to surround him with the necessary talent (players/coaches) to get him in the GOAT conversation. Damn shame too. Could have been a really fun ride. Instead, we're talking about this crap when we should be obnoxiously gloating Brady/Gronk-walking-through-the-airport style.

What are your thoughts on James Jones and Ryan Grant fully going to bat for Rodgers? While bitter Greg Jennings and clownshoes JerMichael Finley rip him? Which of those pairs would you prefer to defend your character?

Well my thoughts on Grant and Jones defending him versus Jennings and Finley is pretty simple. Some people like him. Some people hate. Not unlike what was said in the article itself

I wont argue with place more blame on MM. He's the HC so even with Rodgers being a dick that's on MM to figure out and handle.

My reply was in response to the notion that Rodgers is somehow free from blame and useing an article to reaffirm one stance while disregarding the other information in the article because one doesnt like the narrative it portrays.

Like I said earlier. Plenty of blame to go around here

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[WeekapaugGroove]

I think theres some nuance Rodgers/Packers situation. TT failed from a roster standpoint and MM failed from a coaching standpoint but Rodgers attitude/leadership can be criticized too. If he ends his career with only 1 SB he won't be totally a victim in that. Now he could win another SB or two and the whole narrative will change. Hell John Elway didn't win his first ring until he was 37. I also think the notion that because you have a hall of fame QB you are entitled to multiple SB wins is kind of ridiculous. Marino had 0, Brees has 1, Manning only had 1 with the Colts. It's just not as much of a given as people want to make it out to be.

[BJ Sandered]

I haven't read the article myself yet, but it sounds like it confirms what most of us knew/suspected.

The McCarthy stuff was surprising.

I've heard about the massages.

[th87]

So our final decision-maker's mental acuity was visibly declining, and no one decided to do anything until he slept in meetings and stared off into space?

Absolutely insane for a supposed world-class organization.

[humanrefutation]

Well, this article certainly gives Aaron something to prove going forward. If LaFleur is as intelligent as his reputation indicates, Aaron isn't going to be able to justify ignoring him.

If I'm LaFleur, my number one job is to get buy-in from Aaron from day 1.