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The Desmond Bishop dilemma

Posted: Tue Aug 3, 2010 3:31 am
by Captain Erv
I'd just hate for us to trade him and when he finally gets a chance he turns out to be a stud.

Frustration continues to mount for LB Bishop

By Rob Reischel
Aug. 2, 2010 6:42 p.m.

Green Bay — Desmond Bishop’s frustration level continues to rise.

Green Bay’s fourth year inside linebacker is off to another terrific start this summer. That’s been the story for Bishop ever since he arrived as a sixth round draft choice from Cal in 2007.

When the regular season has arrived, though, Bishop has become a forgotten man. And Bishop doesn’t know how he can change that.

“I know what I can do, but I’m not sure they do,” Bishop said, referring to his coaches. “I think I’m just caught in a situation where my talents can’t flourish here. It’s frustrating because I love the guys that we have and everything, but I feel like I can be, and I will be one of the top tier linebackers in the NFL if I get the opportunity. It just sucks that I could be that good, but after three years, there’s been no return. I need counseling.”

Bishop sits No. 4 among Green Bay’s inside linebackers behind starters Nick Barnett and A.J. Hawk, as well as top reserve Brandon Chillar. During Tuesday’s lone practice, Chillar moved outside at times and Bishop had another solid day.

Twice, Bishop had blanket coverage on tight end Jermichael Finley during a two-minute drill in which the defense stopped the offense. Bishop also intercepted a Matt Flynn pass Sunday, and he laid out rookie tight end Andrew Quarless Saturday.

"I think he is having another good camp,” Packers coach Mike McCarthy said of Bishop on Sunday. “I think he is even really positioning himself to take his game to the next level.”

After Monday’s practice, Bishop was asked if he’s one of the two best inside linebackers in Green Bay. After a 25-second pause, he said: “Wow. That’s a tough question. The honest answer is I think I’m one of the best two inside linebackers in the National Football League.”

Bishop’s contract expires at the end of the 2010 season. He said he hasn’t asked for a trade yet, but would welcome such a move.

“I guess so,” he said. “Unless Chillar goes outside … unless that’s permanent, there is no way I’m going to play. There’s no way really. There’s no way.

“I’m sleeping on it, I guess. I’ve always been sleeping on it. It’s always been an option. But my agent hasn’t told me that someone wants me yet. It’s not a good feeling.”

According to a source, a handful of teams have inquired about Bishop in previous years but were rebuffed by the Packers.

In the past, Green Bay’s coaches have cited a lack of trust as to why Bishop doesn’t play more. Bishop called that an “excuse”, and said one reason he didn’t play more is that he’s a late round draft pick.

Both Hawk and Barnett are former first rounders, while Chillar signed as an unrestricted free agent before the 2008 season.

“Hell yes,” Bishop said, when asked if his draft status played a role in his lack of playing time. “Oh man. Wow. You have no idea. It’s life. It’s politics. It sucks. Oh man it sucks.”


Greg_A_Bedard

Um, yup RT @PackersPlanet: So you think Bishop is that much better than Hawk vs the pass?


Greg_A_Bedard

Look, I'm not waving the banner for Bishop. Long ways to go. But at some point players need to just play ala Rodgers.

Re: The Desmond Bishop dilemma

Posted: Tue Aug 3, 2010 3:46 am
by Turk Nowitzki
Yeah, I posted this in the Training Camp thread. I agree with Bedard, we know what Hawk can do, he's solid but not anything special. Bishop has a chance to be more and at some point we're going to have to find out for more than a handful of plays per game.

Re: The Desmond Bishop dilemma

Posted: Tue Aug 3, 2010 3:51 am
by ReasonablySober
Captain Erv wrote:I'd just hate for us to trade him and when he finally gets a chance he turns out to be a stud.


Worse if he leaves for nothing and he turns out to be a stud.

I really like Bishop. He was my 2nd favorite pick in the 2007 draft (next to Crosby...oops) and he's been a terror in August. I think they have to find a way to get him on the field and let him sink or swim.

Re: The Desmond Bishop dilemma

Posted: Tue Aug 3, 2010 3:56 am
by xTitan
He is not going to be a stud, he gives up huge plays that results in scores.....sure he will make a big hit every now and again (see Adrian Peterson) but he just makes way to many mental mistakes, is out of position, and yet another LB who can't cover.....his big value is on special teams. If Bishop had "stud" ability he would be playing, you guys watch to much football to miss all of his mistakes when the games count.

Re: The Desmond Bishop dilemma

Posted: Tue Aug 3, 2010 4:01 am
by ReasonablySober
xTitan wrote:He is not going to be a stud, he gives up huge plays that results in scores.....sure he will make a big hit every now and again (see Adrian Peterson) but he just makes way to many mental mistakes, is out of position, and yet another LB who can't cover.....his big value is on special teams. If Bishop had "stud" ability he would be playing, you guys watch to much football to miss all of his mistakes when the games count.


I watched every game last season. Only once do I remember looking at the TV and thinking, "Oh, Bishop's in the game. Cool."

Maybe I'm totally off and he played a lot of snaps. :-?

Re: The Desmond Bishop dilemma

Posted: Tue Aug 3, 2010 4:03 am
by eagle13
Agreed - Hawk has had his shot & he scored a B-/C+
Now its time to give Bishop some REAL live regular season chance to show if he's B+ or better

I tend to see it as Bishop - being a 6th rd draft pick plays some part -
TT might be giving Hawk unfair preference b/c TT picked him #5
and IF so - thats BS.

Re: The Desmond Bishop dilemma

Posted: Tue Aug 3, 2010 4:05 am
by xTitan
DrugBust wrote:
xTitan wrote:He is not going to be a stud, he gives up huge plays that results in scores.....sure he will make a big hit every now and again (see Adrian Peterson) but he just makes way to many mental mistakes, is out of position, and yet another LB who can't cover.....his big value is on special teams. If Bishop had "stud" ability he would be playing, you guys watch to much football to miss all of his mistakes when the games count.


I watched every game last season. Only once do I remember looking at the TV and thinking, "Oh, Bishop's in the game. Cool."

Maybe I'm totally off and he played a lot of snaps. :-?


he played in the 5 LB blitz package, and I don't believe he recorded a pressure ever in that. I also thought he played a fair amount against the Vikings, he was burned for a TD by Chester Taylor out of the backfield. Bishop had more opportunities last year than he has had, but he is a preseason wonder who lacks the discipline and intelligence to stay on the field. I hope the light goes on this year and he gets it, because this team is desperate for a real play maker, but you just can't make fundamental mistakes.

Re: The Desmond Bishop dilemma

Posted: Tue Aug 3, 2010 4:08 am
by xTitan
eagle13 wrote:Agreed - Hawk has had his shot & he scored a B-/C+
Now its time to give Bishop some REAL live regular season chance to show if he's B+ or better

I tend to see it as Bishop - being a 6th rd draft pick plays some part -
TT might be giving Hawk unfair preference b/c TT picked him #5
and IF so - thats BS.



I see it as Hawk makes the basic plays, calls a lot of the defense, and is almost always in the right spots, just not a playmaker....Bishop lacks the baility to do what Hawk does, but has the ability to be a much bigger hitter and force fumbles....both can't cover anyone. I know everyone loves to pile on TT, but do you really think if all the coaches wanted Bishop to play he wouldn't? Giving up big plays gets coaches fired, that is why Bishop doesn't play....I think the staff likes him and just doesn't want to say he isn't smart enough.

Re: The Desmond Bishop dilemma

Posted: Tue Aug 3, 2010 4:14 am
by ReasonablySober
Who didn't have a bad game vs the Vikings? You're talking about someone who rarely see's the field vs a three time NFL MVP. It's a bit of a mismatch.

Small sample, and an extremely bad one in my opinion if you're gonna extrapolate any information on how he might do as a regular player.

Like eagle said, we know what Hawk is going to bring to the table. I'm not convinced Bishop couldn't give us at least that.

However, something is keeping him off the field that the coaches know about that we don't. But I hope it isn't where he was picked or his salary.

Re: The Desmond Bishop dilemma

Posted: Tue Aug 3, 2010 4:21 am
by eagle13
I have not piled on TT since the 1st season when he (arguably) deserved it.
I have been and am a solid consistent supporter of his since.
But he is not above critique or question.

And I did say IF.

And as Hawk has played OK - I do think draft status affects things - however small.
Do you really think Harrell would have lasted this long if he were a 6th rd pick?

Re: The Desmond Bishop dilemma

Posted: Tue Aug 3, 2010 12:11 pm
by LUKE23
Bishop is a better player than Hawk, IMO. I could care less if he's made some mistakes while in the game, he makes more big plays. It's not like Hawk always makes the right play (and he NEVER makes a big play). Bishop is getting a raw deal here right now.

Re: The Desmond Bishop dilemma

Posted: Tue Aug 3, 2010 2:13 pm
by BucksRuleAll22
Bishop should be starting. AJ Hawk is horrible! Im sorry but Hawk has been a bust for where he was picked in the draft.

Re: The Desmond Bishop dilemma

Posted: Tue Aug 3, 2010 3:10 pm
by LarryHarris
I'd like to see Bishop play, but if he can't knock Hawk out of the starting lineup this preseason (and he won't), I'd prefer to trade him for a pick... He clearly isn't happy and is motivated to become a starter, whether he has that ability to play at a high level isn't something we appear destined to see...

I remember people saying all these great thinks about Abdul Hodge as well. I'd imagine he is out of the league now... I'm not totally sold on DB...

Re: The Desmond Bishop dilemma

Posted: Tue Aug 3, 2010 3:52 pm
by jakecronus8
I think best case scenario is bishop plays and becomes an above average starter.

Worst case: he's just as mediocre as hawk without the huge salary. Let the kid play

Re: The Desmond Bishop dilemma

Posted: Tue Aug 3, 2010 7:43 pm
by RollingRock138
I agree with what most of you are saying Bishop deserves some reps with the ones. Hawk has had his chance to shine and hasn't. The only reason he is still a starter is cus he was a top 5 pick. Ted doesn't wanna look like a knob so they are gunna give Hawk as many chances as possible but its time to bench him or trade him, he's nothing special

Re: The Desmond Bishop dilemma

Posted: Tue Aug 3, 2010 8:04 pm
by Ayt
Hawk and Chillar are just better players with fewer flaws. Bishop has no range or awareness in coverage.

Re: The Desmond Bishop dilemma

Posted: Tue Aug 3, 2010 8:54 pm
by Ill-yasova
Ayt wrote:Hawk and Chillar are just better players with fewer flaws. Bishop has no range or awareness in coverage.

I don't know about that. AJ Hawk probably has the worst coverage skills of any LB on the roster. Also it's been said in one of the blogs that Bishop has been blanketing Finley every time he covers him. Not an easy feat.

Re: The Desmond Bishop dilemma

Posted: Wed Aug 4, 2010 4:21 am
by Wade-A-Holic
Here's the blog you're referring to. I don't know what the Desmond Bishop skeptics have seen that is making them so sure of themselves that he's dumb, can't cover, doesn't move well, etc. Is he generally over-hyped by casual fans because of what he does every preseason? Absolutely, but I haven't seen or read anything that corroborates some of the skeptical claims that have been made in this thread.

Green Bay — Desmond Bishop’s frustration level continues to rise.

Green Bay’s fourth year inside linebacker is off to another terrific start this summer. That’s been the story for Bishop ever since he arrived as a sixth round draft choice from Cal in 2007.

When the regular season has arrived, though, Bishop has become a forgotten man. And Bishop doesn’t know how he can change that.

“I know what I can do, but I’m not sure they do,” Bishop said, referring to his coaches. “I think I’m just caught in a situation where my talents can’t flourish here. It’s frustrating because I love the guys that we have and everything, but I feel like I can be, and I will be one of the top tier linebackers in the NFL if I get the opportunity. It just sucks that I could be that good, but after three years, there’s been no return. I need counseling.”

Bishop sits No. 4 among Green Bay’s inside linebackers behind starters Nick Barnett and A.J. Hawk, as well as top reserve Brandon Chillar. During Tuesday’s lone practice, Chillar moved outside at times and Bishop had another solid day.

Twice, Bishop had blanket coverage on tight end Jermichael Finley during a two-minute drill in which the defense stopped the offense. Bishop also intercepted a Matt Flynn pass Sunday, and he laid out rookie tight end Andrew Quarless Saturday.

"I think he is having another good camp,” Packers coach Mike McCarthy said of Bishop on Sunday. “I think he is even really positioning himself to take his game to the next level.”

After Monday’s practice, Bishop was asked if he’s one of the two best inside linebackers in Green Bay. After a 25-second pause, he said: “Wow. That’s a tough question. The honest answer is I think I’m one of the best two inside linebackers in the National Football League.”

Bishop’s contract expires at the end of the 2010 season. He said he hasn’t asked for a trade yet, but would welcome such a move.

“I guess so,” he said. “Unless Chillar goes outside … unless that’s permanent, there is no way I’m going to play. There’s no way really. There’s no way.

“I’m sleeping on it, I guess. I’ve always been sleeping on it. It’s always been an option. But my agent hasn’t told me that someone wants me yet. It’s not a good feeling.”

According to a source, a handful of teams have inquired about Bishop in previous years but were rebuffed by the Packers.

In the past, Green Bay’s coaches have cited a lack of trust as to why Bishop doesn’t play more. Bishop called that an “excuse”, and said one reason he didn’t play more is that he’s a late round draft pick.

Both Hawk and Barnett are former first rounders, while Chillar signed as an unrestricted free agent before the 2008 season.

“Hell yes,” Bishop said, when asked if his draft status played a role in his lack of playing time. “Oh man. Wow. You have no idea. It’s life. It’s politics. It sucks. Oh man it sucks.”


http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/99801929.html

Re: The Desmond Bishop dilemma

Posted: Wed Aug 4, 2010 2:32 pm
by jakecronus8
I guess Bishop has gotten into multiple fights, with two very important players to the franchise (Jermichael Finley, Brian Bulaga) both of which ended with Bish ripping their helmets off.

He's clearly starting to get pissed. IMO, the organization needs to pull him aside and either tell him they'll try to trade him or tell him he can win a starting job on the field.if he hurts someone they will have some splaining to do.

Re: The Desmond Bishop dilemma

Posted: Wed Aug 4, 2010 10:37 pm
by bucks59
Thumbs Down

Those convinced Desmond Bishop should be an every-down player should have seen Tuesday night’s practice.

Given the opportunity to play with the starters for the entire practice in base and nickel for the first time this summer, Bishop did what he often does in his few real game opportunities.

That is, he gave up too many plays.

A day after he was thrown into a new-look nickel package, he also got the base reps because Nick Barnett was resting his surgical repaired knee.

Bishop might be a powerful hitter and a decent rusher, but he once again struggled in coverage. He gave up a long catch to tight end Jermichael Finley on a seam route for a 21-yard gain in the 7-on-7 two-minute drill. In the same drill, he gave up the winning touchdown to Donald Lee on first-and-goal from the 6-yard line with 16 seconds left. He also was in coverage on Nelson’s deep seam route.

Sure, Bishop made some noise, like when he knocked off Finley’s helmet after the tight end made a short catch in the flat but for every big play he makes, he seems to give up one, too.

Maybe that’s why in his first three seasons, he never received any consistent playing time.


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