Filthy Rodgers' stats

[Wilford Brimley]

http://coldhardfootballfacts.com/Articl ... story.html

To put those TD-INT ratios into perspective, here are the numbers of Rodgers, Rivers and some other notable quarterbacks, Hall of Famers or CHFF favorites:

Aaron Rodgers: 2.60 to 1

After Sunday’s win over the Vikings, Rodgers now boasts the second highest "unofficial" passer rating in NFL history, at 96.87. (Rodgers is still 30 attempts shy of the min. 1,500 attempts needed to qualify for “official” NFL records.)

[El Duderino]

I love Rodgers as most Packer fans do and can easily envision him ending up in the HOF so long as his health holds up over a long career.

That said, as i posted in a different thread when someone posted Aaron's career passer rating compared to Favre, fans and even HOF voters in the future really need to put passing stats of today into context when comparing quarterbacks of previous era's. Even going back not all that long ago like the mid-90's when guys like Favre and Aikman were in their primes. With multiple rules changes that have all benefited the passing game over the last say 5-7 years, it has significantly skewed passing stats for all QB's today. For example like i posted in another thread.

"Six quarterbacks last year had a QB rating of 100 or higher, none did even just back in 1996 when Favre won the MVP and only Favre/Young were at 90 or above. In 1995 only one QB had a rating above 100. In 1997 only Young was at 100 or higher. So far this year four are at 100 or higher and a whopping 16 are at 90 or higher.

There were 10 QB's who threw for over 4000 yard last year, only three did in 1996 and in 1978 as a random year i picked, only 5 QB's reached 3000 yards. HOF quarterback Roger Staubach lead the NFL in passer rating at only 84.9 and only 6 were able to reach 80. Jason friggin Campbell and Kyle Orton last year had more passing yards and a higher QB rating than anyone in the NFL in 1978."

You can go back and pick many other years and quarterbacks. A few examples.

Dan Fouts is in the HOF with a career passer rating of 80.3, a 93.3 year being his highest, and only three years above 90.

Dan Marino has a career QB rating of 86.4 and 12 of 17 seasons under 90.

Troy Aikman was a HOF QB and won multiple rings, 81.6 though is his career rating.

Jim Kelly is another HOF quarterback, his career QB rating is only 84.4 with 8 of 10 seasons under 90.

Joe Montana never threw for 4000 yards, has a career passer rating of 92.3, and in 9 of his 13 seasons Montana's passer rating was under 90.

Last season though in the NFL, 12 quarterbacks had a passer rating of 90 or higher. This year 16 are at 90 or higher, with retread scrub John Kitna just a hair below from making it 17 QB's by being at 88.9.

[ReasonablySober]

I don't think it's an issue of rules, particularly when it comes to comparing players in the 80s and 90s vs players today.

I think it's an evolution of offenses. Today you're seeing more empty sets. You're getting more three, four and five wide formations. Teams are running less out of the I and Pro Set formations. Offensive coordinators have become more creative.

Players and their positions are also evolving. While you still have your prototypical "big" TEs and WRs, you also have a greater emphasis on speed and how it can create mismatches all over the field. Wes Welker in the slot really showed that you don't need a 6'1" WR to handle the middle of the field. Gates showed that a fast TE can be a teams biggest receiving threat.

Teams have become less concerned with who is out there but how they're used.

[LeopoldStotch]

I think the rest of the article clears up the now vs. then argument:

Now, listen, the Cold, Hard Football Facts know better than anybody that numbers in this day and age are much easier to come by for quarterbacks than they have been in past years. So we are not saying that Rivers and Rodgers are better than Brady or Manning, Marino or Montana, Unitas or Starr, Luckman or Baugh.

What we are saying is that both Rivers and Rodgers are putting up numbers in critical areas that nobody else has done before, historic numbers that could someday have either remembered as one of the all time greats.

But fairly or not – and we argue fairly – the great quarterbacks are always remembered by team accomplishments. That means big performances in January and showers of confetti in February.

And on both these counts, Rivers and Rodgers have a lot to prove. But for out statistical money, both look capable of taking the steps to that next level this year. Then the "best QB in the game today" argument gets really crowded.

[MickeyDavis]

I agree that what you do in January is very important. It's always fun to "debate" players from different eras. And there is no right or wrong, it's just interesting. Cold Hard Football Facts rates Starr as the #1 all-time.

1. BART STARR (Green Bay, 1956-71)

Best season (1966): 156 for 251 (62.2%), 2,257 yards, 9.0 YPA, 14 TD, 3 INT, 105.0 passer rating
Career: 1,808 for 3,149 (57.4%), 24,718 yards, 7.8 YPA, 152 TD, 138 INT, 80.5 passer rating
Championships: 1961, 1962, 1965, 1966, 1967
Overview: That’s right. Bart Starr. The greatest quarterback in the history of the game.

Sit down and take notes:

History has done a grave disservice to the legacy of Starr, the 17th-round draft pick out of pre-Bear Bryant Alabama who turned into the most clutch and most cruelly efficient passing assassin of his or any other generation.

History remembers Starr’s legendary coach, and the bevy of Hall of Fame talent that surrounded him. It forgets that Starr was Lombardi’s second in command, a tremendous big-game performer, and that the Packers of the 1960s would have been just another team without the prolific Starr as their beloved on-field leader. Instead, they won five NFL championships, with Starr at the helm of every single one of those title teams, while he crafted an NFL-record 9-1 postseason mark. The rings say it all: Starr is the only quarterback in history who has one for every finger on his throwing hand.

And even if you listen to teammates today, they make it pretty clear that they would have fallen on a grenade for Starr. Leadership is an elemental piece of quarterbacking – probably more important than gaudy passing stats. And that love his teammates had for their field general is an incredible sign of his leadership.

But forget, for a moment, the team accomplishments and the “intangibles” of leadership.

If you want to talk passing and statistics, we’ll put Starr up against anybody. Anybody.

He led the NFL in passer rating five times. Johnny Unitas led the league in passer rating just twice. Ditto Joe Montana. Only Steve Young surpassed Starr’s mark (six).

And, lest we forget, Starr was the best postseason passer in NFL history, as evidenced by his record 104.8 playoff passer rating and 1.41 percent interception rate, also a postseason record (CHFF readers are well aware of the importance of not throwing picks in the playoffs). Starr played in an era when 80 was a decent passer rating. Yet he still performed more efficiently in the playoffs than folks such as Montana, Brady, Manning, Marino, Young and … well, anybody, ever.

There’s a cause and effect here, folks: NFL’s greatest dynasty, only winners of three-straight title games, and a record 9-1 postseason mark. And there, underlying it all, is Starr with his postseason passing records. The two are intricately intertwined.

History also remembers Starr’s Packers as a great running team, and that’s certainly true of their earlier years. But the truth is that they typically passed the ball more effectively than they ran it, especially during their run of three straight, when they were a below-average running team.

In their 1965 championship season, the Packers were 11th in the 14-team league with an average of 3.4 yards per rushing attempt. They were second in the league, with an average of 8.2 yards per passing attempt.

In their 1966 championship season, the Packers were 14th in the 15-team league, with an average of 3.5 yards per rushing attempt. They were first in the league, with an average of 8.9 yards per passing attempt.

In their 1967 championship season, the Packers were 4th in the 16-team league, with an average of 4.0 yards per rushing attempt. They were first in the league, with an average of 8.3 yards per passing attempt (Starr himself that season averaged 8.7 YPA).

Starr averaged a remarkable 7.85 YPA over the course of his entire career, the 8th-best mark in history, and better than that of a slate of quarterbacks who are generally regarded as the best passers in history, including Dan Marino (7.37), Joe Montana (7.52), Roger Staubach (7.67), Dan Fouts (7.68), Sonny Jurgensen (7.56), Fran Tarkenton (7.27), Y.A. Tittle (7.52), Terry Bradshaw (7.17) and Joe Namath (7.35).

Six times in the 1960s, Starr surpassed 8.2 YPA for a season. To put that into context, Peyton Manning has surpassed 8.2 YPA just twice in his brilliant 10-year career.

And, if you want drama, don’t forget that Starr scored the winning TD in the Ice Bowl, probably the most famous game in NFL history. Sure, Montana led his team 92 yards for the game-winning score in Super Bowl XXIII. But he did it on a 68-degree night in Miami. Turn down the thermostat by 86 degrees (it was 18-below in the fourth quarter of the Ice Bowl) and you begin to approximate the conditions under which the greatest quarterback in NFL history operated during his greatest moment in the sport’s greatest game.

And Starr was brilliant on that drive, in the decisive moments of the sport’s most famous game: he completed 5 of 5 passes in ball-busting cold, and then called a run play for the winning score. But instead of handing it off, he decided in his mind, without telling his teammates, that he was going to punch it in himself. It was only fitting: the game’s greatest signal-caller taking matters into his own hands in the sport’s signature moment.

To cap his career achievements, Starr earned MVP honors in the first two Super Bowls after shredding the best the AFL could throw his way for 452 yards on 47 passing attempts (9.6 YPA). Among those victims were the 1967 Raiders, perhaps the AFL's greatest single team. He posted a combined 106.0 passer rating in those two games. If you think it was no small feat to beat up on "upstart" AFL teams, just look at how NFL quarterbacks fared in Super Bowls III and IV. (Here's a hint: they were embarrassed.)

When it comes to a combination of leadership, victories, big-game performances and statistical supremacy nobody – NOBODY – put together a more total package than Bart Starr, the greatest quarterback in NFL history.

[Wilford Brimley]

Welp, he became the #1 highest rated passer of all time. For about 3 hours, and then Rivers surpassed him.

Still has the highest TD/INT ratio ever, though.

[Wilford Brimley]

Last 4 games (3-1):

74%
1232 yards
11 TD
0 INT

131 rating

24 carries
124 yards
5.2 ypc
1 TD
1 TO

[LUKE23]

Rodgers is legitimately in the MVP discussion at this point.

[Newz]

Rodgers is legitimately in the MVP discussion at this point.

Yeah, he's getting there.

IMO Tom Brady is running away with it though. No one else is really close at this point.

[chuckleslove]

For sure, I give the edge to Brady as long as they keep winning but he is definitely in the discussion.

[Wilford Brimley]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NFL_career ... ng_leaders

[LUKE23]

I think Vick and Brady are neck and neck. Then I'd have Rodgers and Ryan in there. If Rivers team had a better record I'd probably have him right with Rodgers and Ryan.

[emunney]

It's Brady no question for me.

[Newz]

I think Vick and Brady are neck and neck. Then I'd have Rodgers and Ryan in there. If Rivers team had a better record I'd probably have him right with Rodgers and Ryan.

I have it ranked probably:

1. Brady (By a wide margin. 23/4 is just sick. Everyone thought he would fall off without Moss, instead he just keeps dominating. I know it's not a popular opinion, but IMO Brady is the best QB ever and probably the best football player ever.)
2. Vick (Would be close if he didn't miss so much time)
3. Ryan (Good numbers, team is winning, clutch play)
4. Rivers (On pace to make history statistically, team coming on strong)
5. Rodgers (Gaining on the others in numbers, leading an injury depleted team towards the playoffs)

If Rodgers play continues, he will definitely move up above those other two guys though. Rodgers had a little bit of a slow start... He's definitely gaining ground and fast though.

[chuckleslove]

I have to keep Vick down some because of the missed time, but like Rodgers if he continues his play and his team keeps winning he will be in the discussion by the end of the year.

Rivers chances took a huge hit for me when his team got killed by the Raiders yesterday and he didn't play all that well.

[MickeyDavis]

Pack vs. Pats on Sunday night football is key. IF we win and IF Rodgers outplays Brady, it could be the turning point in the MVP race. Brady is a media golden boy though. He gets votes just because of where he plays.

[Newz]

Pack vs. Pats on Sunday night football is key. IF we win and IF Rodgers outplays Brady, it could be the turning point in the MVP race.

I agree with this.

Brady is a media golden boy though. He gets votes just because of where he plays.

Brady has one MVP where he had the best season of all-time by a QB. He's having EASILY the best season out of any QB this year.

How could you not vote for him?

[braindazer]

Brady gets votes for his wife!!

[an_also]

Right now its

1. Brady
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2. Vick, Rivers
3. Ryan, Rodgers

[Flames24Rulz]

Rivers isn't winning it if the Chargers don't make the playoffs. Same with Aaron.

I think it's a toss-up between Brady and Ryan.