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Did Holmgren impersonate God to get R. White to sign w/ GB?

Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2011 3:31 am
by PkrsBcksGphsMqt
Pretty good read.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/sports_ ... ith-g.html

FOOTBALL LEGEND: Mike Holmgren impersonated God in an attempt to get Reggie White to sign with the Green Bay Packers.

STATUS: I'm Going With True.

I'm going to be doing something a little bit different the next few weeks. This week and next, I will be featuring a legend involving one of the two teams playing in this year's Super Bowl. This week, a Green Bay Packers legend and next week a Pittsburgh Steelers legend! Then, the week after the Super Bowl, I'll do another legend on whichever team wins!

The Green Bay Packers have long been an oddity in the world of professional sports. In a thirty-two team league where the Buffalo Bills have the thirty-first smallest metropolitan area population at 1.1 million people, the Packers have less than a third of that population, and Green Bay, Wisconsin sits over 110 miles from Milwaukee's 1.5 million. So while the Packers (who are owned by the community of Green Bay itself) will almost certainly never move, when the National Football League (NFL) began having unrestricted free agency in 1993, the Packers' relatively small stature as a metropolitan area was seen as a major disadvantage to the team in its pursuit of prospective free agents.

But then God helped them out...with an assist from Mike Holmgren...or maybe it was the other way around?

Read on to find out more!

Reggie White was one of the most dominant defensive ends of his generation. After coming out of the University of Tennessee, where he set school records for most sacks in a career, season and game, White was recruited by the United States Football League (USFL), the rival league to the NFL that formed in 1983. The USFL pursued rookies aggressively with large promises of money. This allowed the USFL to sign some very big names, like Herschel Walker, Doug Flutie, Mike Rozier, Steve Young, Jim Kelly (they signed three straight Hesiman Trophy Award winners!) and, naturally, Reggie White.

White played for the Memphis Showboats for two seasons before the franchise (and eventually, the entire league) went under. The Philadelphia Eagles owned White's draft rights, so they signed him for the 1986 NFL season. White would go on to be one of the best Eagles of all-time. In the eight seasons he played for the Eagles, he made the Pro Bowl every year and was named an All-Pro (first team) each season. He won the NFL Defensive Player of the Year Award in 1987, a season he complied a shocking 1.75 sacks per game! In total, he ended up with more sacks for the Eagles than games played for the team.

A court ruling gave White and a group of other players the right to become unrestricted free agents, thereby leading to a settlement with the league that created the modern era of NFL free agency. White did not want to return to Philadelphia (stating so he never felt that the owner of the Eagles, Norman Brama, had done everything it took to field a championship-level team), and in an article by Peter King for Sports Illustrated, White's agent, Jimmy Sexton, laid out the guidelines for what type of team White was looking for.

White wanted to go to a franchise intensely committed to winning, because in 16 years of high school, college and pro ball he has never been on a championship team. And wherever he goes, he wants to establish a Christian ministry and work with the needy of the inner city.
In the article, King mentions that White would be visiting Green Bay, but lumped them in with a bunch of other teams that seemed unlikely that White was seriously interested in signing with, instead focusing on the Cleveland Browns and the Washington Redskins, with White even noting:

The thing that worries me a little bit, is that with teams like Cleveland, Detroit, Phoenix, Atlanta and the Jets, they might figure, Our savior has arrived. In Washington, I think there'd be less pressure. I don't mind pressure, because I bust my butt on every play. But I don't want anybody to think I'm the only guy out there. Still, this is a great position to be in."
See? Green Bay did not even merit a mention as an also-ran team.

However, the General Manager of the Packers, Ron Wolf, kept persisting for White to visit Green Bay, and since White was already going to be in the Mid-West on a trip to Detroit, White agreed to come visit (again, though, this first batch of free agents all went on tons of visits - the novelty of unrestricted free agency was appealing at the time, even unheralded free agents visited over a dozen teams).

The Packers knew that they were facing an uphill battle, most notably the very visible lack of an inner city for White to form his ministry, but also the fact that Green Bay had only had six winning seasons in the previous twenty-five years, plus it was a small town with cold weather and a reputation for not being willing to spend big money on their team. Man, when you put it all together, it sure does sound like a daunting task, huh?

Well, White was taken aback by the Packer approach. He was met by the General Manager Wolf, the coach Mike Holmgren and the defensive coordinator, Ray Rhodes, and instead of lavishing White and his wife, Sara, with expensive gifts, they just talked football with him. The Packers picked White up at the airport in a 4x4 Jeep Wrangler and interviewed him in a small windowless office in their facility. Instead of taking White to a fancy restaurant, they took him to a Red Lobster so that White could have his favorite food - catfish.

At the end of the day, the Packers had three things to sell White. The first was the gentlemen that he met with - Holmgren and Rhodes were (and are) an impressive coaching duo and they certainly could convince pretty much anyone that they had the right view of how to run a championship contender. The second was young quarterback Brett Favre, who had just led a young Packers team to a 9-7 record the previous season as a 23-year-old. The third was that Wolf had received permission from Packers President Bob Harlan to be financially competitive with any other offer out there to White. Years later, White told Harlan that he had no intention of ever coming to Green Bay, but once he got here it was a totally different story. On the plane ride home from Green Bay, White told his agent not to be surprised if White signed with Green Bay.

Holmgren and Rhodes continued to be persistent in their pursuit of White, even both attending a conference where he was speaking. They definitely showed him the love.

Holmgren, meanwhile, also made one of the most famous phone calls in NFL recruiting history. White was a religious man, obviously, and he had made public mention right from the start that he would go where God wanted him to go. Well, as the story goes, Holmgren called White one night and when he got White's answering machine, Holmgren said into the machine, "Reggie, this is God. Come to Green Bay."

A while later, White signed with the Packers for 4 years/$17 million, an (pardon the expression) ungodly amount of money at the time for a free agent, so while White might very well have appreciated Holmgren's joke, the money certainly helped.

As to whether Holmgren actually made the joke in question - Holmgren himself has said that he did it, Packers historian Lee Remmel (who is practically the Word of God himself when it comes to Packers history) says it happened. Perhaps most notably was that the incident was reported at the time, as Don Pierson of the Chicago Tribune reported it back in July of 1993. The closer to the actual incident that the story is told is a good sign - the incidents you really wonder about are when a guy 20 years later recalls some crazy thing that happened 20 years ago that he never talked about until now. So I'm willing to believe that Holmgren actually made the call in question.

As to the other issues White had with Green Bay, he noted in 1993 that, "I was with a friend one night who said, `God told me to tell you not to worry about the ministry. When I heard that, I realized this could give me an opportunity financially to do some things I need to do and want to do." It is true; $17 million could do a whole lot of good. And as for the worries about White, as an African-American, coming to Green Bay, Packer star Sterling Sharpe (also African-American) partially assuaged those fears earlier in 1993 at the Pro Bowl. Speaking of the signing years later, White remarked, “It changed the stigma that was on this team, that black players couldn’t have fun up here, that the town was racist. I think by me saying, ‘I’m going to play for Green Bay’ and then liking it here, it changed a lot of guys’ attitudes, black and white. I think it made guys want to play here.”

The Packers certainly did do better with high-profile free agents over the rest of the decade, including Defensive linemen Sean Jones and Santana Dotson, linebacker Seth Joyner, tight end Keith Jackson and kick returner Desmond Howard. As Harlan later noted, “It opened up a whole new era of football in Green Bay."

White continued to play strong football in Green Bay (although, naturally, not as amazing as he was in his youth in Philadelphia), making the Pro Bowl each season and making the All-Pro each year, as well (just with some second teams mixed in there). In addition, he won the 1998 NFL Defensive Player of the Year Award. Oh, and perhaps most importantly, he won a Super Bowl ring with the Packers in Super Bowl XXXI in 1997.

White passed away in 2004. Two years later he was enshrined in the Pro Football Hall of Fame.

Thanks to Peter King, Lee Remmel, Mike Vandermause, Don Pierson and Pete Dougherty for the information behind this piece.

--Brian Cronin

Re: Did Holmgren impersonate God to get R. White to sign w/ GB?

Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2011 3:38 am
by paulpressey25
I remember the day in April that signing was announced. It was a glorious moment as the news came over WTMJ radio......

Reggie was a great guy and great player.

Reggie RIP.

Re: Did Holmgren impersonate God to get R. White to sign w/ GB?

Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2011 3:58 am
by Wilford Brimley
RIP Reggie, he died on my birthday.

Re: Did Holmgren impersonate God to get R. White to sign w/ GB?

Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2011 3:59 am
by eagle13
Great story. God(s) bless you Reggie - both Jehovah & Mike!

Re: Did Holmgren impersonate God to get R. White to sign w/ GB?

Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2011 4:02 am
by Wilford Brimley
Speaking of Packer myths/legends there are a lot of things I have wondered about things that almost happened but didnt, or little tidbits that we hear that often get forgotten in the grand scheme of things.

Not sure how accurate this stuff is, but here is what Ive heard over the years:

1960s

-In the 1960s, under Lombardi, after a Packers win (or loss, I would presume) fans in Green Bay would light a candle in the window looking onto the street. This would signify to the players that that certain home was open incase the players need help getting home, or got lost, what have you.

1991

-Troy Aikman made it known he didn't want to play in Green Bay

1997

-Chris Jacke was released because he was dating Holmgren's daughter. Holmgren found out when he walked into a GB restaurant and Jacke was there with his daughter (LOL if true)

Super Bowl XXXII

-In Super Bowl 32, after it was 7-0, players were already celebrating on the sidelines. This meant calling family members on cell phones, and playing Gameboy.

-Favre didn't come back to the team hotel until 5am the morning of the Super Bowl. Many people in the Packers organization believe had he gotten a good nights sleep, he would have hit Brooks and Freeman on the last drive. (Ie fatigue). Instead, he threw the ball behind him.

-I am 100% this one is true - that last play to Chewy - they hadn't run that play all year. No idea a) why Holmgren would call it b) why Favre wouldn't audible

-On the final drive, the reason Holmy/Lewis didn't give the ball to Dorsey Levens more on the final drive, is because they wanted Favre to get the MVP (I believe I heard this from Santana Dotson on 102.9)

-Gabe Wilkins refused to re-enter Super Bowl 32 after getting knicked up, for fear of damaging his FA stock. Had he reentered, it is likely Darius Holland woudn't have gotten run over by Davis.

1998

-Barry Sanders was given options of MIA or GB in 1998, as trade partners, but chose to retire instead

2008

-The Packers were set to take Joe Flacco at 26, but Baltimore out of nowhere traded up to snag him.

-Same draft, Green Bay was on the phone with Antoine Cason when the Chargers took him. They then traded back to pick up Jordy, instead.



Has anyone heard of any of these or any thing else?

Re: Did Holmgren impersonate God to get R. White to sign w/ GB?

Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2011 4:09 am
by eagle13
In 2007 Brett wanted special laundering for his jock.

Re: Did Holmgren impersonate God to get R. White to sign w/ GB?

Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2011 4:18 am
by CorporateBucks
I've heard the one about Jacke from my girlfriends dad, along with a particularly stomach churning one about Mossy Cade, don't know if that one is considered a myth or it's well known.

Re: Did Holmgren impersonate God to get R. White to sign w/ GB?

Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2011 4:40 am
by Wilford Brimley
Is the Mossy Cade one about raping an underage girl or something? Pretty sure that's true.

Re: Did Holmgren impersonate God to get R. White to sign w/ GB?

Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2011 4:49 am
by CorporateBucks
Wilford Brimley wrote:Is the Mossy Cade one about raping an underage girl or something? Pretty sure that's true.


I was told it was his aunt actually

*Edit - Aunt through marriage I guess

Re: Did Holmgren impersonate God to get R. White to sign w/ GB?

Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2011 5:01 am
by SugarRay34
I never heard the Flacco one but why in the world would they ever have done that?

Re: Did Holmgren impersonate God to get R. White to sign w/ GB?

Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2011 5:14 am
by ReasonablySober
CorporateBucks wrote:I've heard the one about Jacke from my girlfriends dad, along with a particularly stomach churning one about Mossy Cade, don't know if that one is considered a myth or it's well known.


Like the sig. I'd change up my Matthews one to something with Collins, Shields, Chuck and Tramon but I'm hella superstitious when it comes to sports.

I remember where I was when Reggie passed. Very, very sad moment.

Re: Did Holmgren impersonate God to get R. White to sign w/ GB?

Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2011 5:56 am
by El Duderino
I remember back then reading about how Reggie was visiting Green Bay during his free agency tour,never once though did i think he'd actually sign here.

In Ron Wolf's book or maybe it was during an interview with him, i recall Wolf mentioning that a big reason he perused White wasn't just because he was a great player. Wolf said that it was also crucial to change the whole perception of the Packers franchise because when he arrived there, he said he felt that the organization as a whole had a complacent feeling of non-high expectations. There were no strong aspirations for trying to be great or feeling they shouldn't even bother wasting time going after an elite player because the player would just say no.

Timing can be everything at times in sports and the strong ego of Wolf and his unwillingness to just accept mediocrity was perfect for that time in Packers history where the franchise badly needed someone who was both as skilled as Wolf was and that carried himself as he did.

People often talk about how lucky Packer fans are to have gone from one great QB in Favre right to Rodgers and that's certainly true. We are also very blessed to have had a pretty long run under a great GM like Wolf who returned the Packers to being relevant again in the NFL and then after a brief bad time with Sherman as the GM, Bob Harlan struck GM gold yet again by hiring Ted Thompson.

Nothing in professional sports is more vital to the success of a franchise/team than having a high quality GM. If given the full authority, they fill out the rosters and hire the head coach or manager. Both Ron Wolf and now Ted Thompson are why the Packers franchise escaped from decades of mostly being irrelevant to one of the most prominent franchises in the NFL and one that looks like it will continue staying that way for awhile now given the roster in place that Ted has put together.

Re: Did Holmgren impersonate God to get R. White to sign w/ GB?

Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2011 5:58 am
by Wilford Brimley
Great post.

Re: Did Holmgren impersonate God to get R. White to sign w/ GB?

Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2011 6:10 am
by PkrsBcksGphsMqt
Who do you guys think are the most important non-players in the Packers history? I'm only 25 so my first hand knowledge of Packers history is limited, but I'd have to think the top 5 would be these guys, not sure of the order though:

Curly Lambeau
Vince Lombardi
Ron Wolf
Mike Holmgren
Ted Thompson

Maybe Bob Harlan?

Re: Did Holmgren impersonate God to get R. White to sign w/ GB?

Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2011 6:35 am
by eagle13
PkrsBcksGphsMqt wrote:Who do you guys think are the most important non-players in the Packers history? I'm only 25 so my first hand knowledge of Packers history is limited, but I'd have to think the top 5 would be these guys, not sure of the order though:

Curly Lambeau
Vince Lombardi
Ron Wolf
Mike Holmgren
Ted Thompson

Maybe Bob Harlan?


Make it six & that's a good list

add
Bart Starr
Reggie White
Brett Farve
tie- Ray Nitschke / Willie Davis

and you have top ten (eleven)

Re: Did Holmgren impersonate God to get R. White to sign w/ GB?

Posted: Fri Jan 28, 2011 1:14 am
by paulpressey25
Wilford Brimley wrote:Speaking of Packer myths/legends there are a lot of things I have wondered about things that almost happened but didnt


The part about Favre, Chewie and Winters being out until 4am in the Gaslamp district of San Diego before the game is true.

As far as Aikman, that was the 1989 draft run-up and he let it be known through channels he would not want to come to Green Bay. Remember though, in 1989, Green Bay was every bit as bad a situation as the Bucks are today. We were rated the single worst destination in the NFL to play for.

The Packers were going to get the #1 overall pick and select Aikman, but Lindy Infante figured out how to win the last game of the season against the Cardinals that year to blow it. He blew the tank when he had victory in his grasp. So we dropped to the 2nd pick in that draft and took Tony Mandarich.

That 1989 draft was a Hall of Fame top five. Aikman, Mandarich, Barry Sanders, Derrick Thomas, Deon Sanders. Of course four of those guys made/will make the hall. The guy we picked works as a forest ranger now in the UP I believe.

Re: Did Holmgren impersonate God to get R. White to sign w/ GB?

Posted: Fri Jan 28, 2011 1:24 am
by trwi7
I just realized Mandarich is Canadian. No wonder he sucked.

Re: Did Holmgren impersonate God to get R. White to sign w/ GB?

Posted: Fri Jan 28, 2011 2:02 am
by El Duderino
PkrsBcksGphsMqt wrote:Who do you guys think are the most important non-players in the Packers history? I'm only 25 so my first hand knowledge of Packers history is limited, but I'd have to think the top 5 would be these guys, not sure of the order though:

Curly Lambeau
Vince Lombardi
Ron Wolf
Mike Holmgren
Ted Thompson

Maybe Bob Harlan?


Bob Harlan is the one who made the decision to hired Ron Wolf. It was under Ron Wolf that the Packers franchise finally reversed decades of mediocre and bad play, this allowed the Packers to return to being again a prominent franchise in the NFL. Wolf also hired Ted Thompson where Ted learned the ropes of building a football team.

Then after Harlan made a mistake giving Sherman the GM duties also, Harlan was willing to accept that he made a mistake in giving Sherman full authority even though Sherman did win a lot of games. Harlan followed that up by making yet another great hire in luring Thompson back to Green Bay. Harlan also lead the fight to get Lambeau Field renovated which was vital in keeping the franchise able to compete financially.

Bob Harlan's leadership on the stadium renovation and smart hires of Wolf/Thompson were more directly responsible to the franchise returning to prominence and staying there since the early to mid-90's than anyone else. If instead of hiring Wolf back then, Harlan had hired a GM who flopped, who knows what kind of shape the franchise would be in right now.

Re: Did Holmgren impersonate God to get R. White to sign w/ GB?

Posted: Fri Jan 28, 2011 2:08 am
by smooth 'lil balla
Reading dudes lastvtwo posts was like reading two great pieces ofbjournalism. Well done

Re: Did Holmgren impersonate God to get R. White to sign w/ GB?

Posted: Fri Jan 28, 2011 3:55 am
by Thunder Muscle
Majik and Barry Sanders would've dominated the world.