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The Buccaneers GM was ahead of TT. Really? They had what injuries? They didn't make the playoffs and their schedule was easy as hell.

I thought this was a total ripoff until I saw the names of the guys who got the votes. All those guys did a great job this year and this is voted on right after the regular season.

So yeah, I can see where he didn't get top 3. TT would be the second guy in the entire NFL I'd want running my team nows a days though, BB obviously being first.

What did the Bucs GM do? Did anyone look at their schedule? They also had a negative point differential with the schedule. They were about as poor of a 10-6 team as there is.

To me, EOTY should be based on success that is directly tied to moves a GM made that season. For us, you could write a book. Shields is an amazing story. Walden filling in after all our OLB's go down. Overcoming the most injuries in the league.

It really is a joke to be honest.

LUKE23 wrote:The Buccaneers GM was ahead of TT. Really? They had what injuries? They didn't make the playoffs and their schedule was easy as hell.

They did win 7 more games than last year. Mike Williams looks like he is going to be an elite player and McCoy looks like he could also be elite.

I think he is deserving of the votes that he got. They had the same record as the Packers, they just barely missed the playoffs.

It's a regular season award, not a post season award. I can see voting for those three guys over TT this year considering the Packers record actually got worse this year over last year... Even though TT did a brilliant job acquiring talent to overcome injuries.

Obviously if there was a revote today now that the Super Bowl is over, TT would get just about every first place vote.

LUKE23 wrote:The Buccaneers GM was ahead of TT. Really? They had what injuries? They didn't make the playoffs and their schedule was easy as hell.

Seriously. The Bucs were a complete fraud this year. Luckily for them they get an NFC West team again next year, plus the Panthers twice and a 3rd place schedule.

LUKE23 wrote:What did the Bucs GM do? Did anyone look at their schedule? They also had a negative point differential with the schedule. They were about as poor of a 10-6 team as there is.

To me, EOTY should be based on success that is directly tied to moves a GM made that season. For us, you could write a book. Shields is an amazing story. Walden filling in after all our OLB's go down. Overcoming the most injuries in the league.

It really is a joke to be honest.

Oh, apparently Mike Williams and McCoy are total scrubs... A 7 game increase in wins is just nothing.

Homer view point? I think so.

According to these awards, who did a particularly good job of propelling the Pack to winning the Super Bowl and being #2 in the regular season in point differential, in spite of the massive amount of injuries?

Bucs were a fraud this year. They had a ridiculously easy schedule and won a lot of close games with that easy schedule. They just were nowhere near as good as their record. He didn't deserve votes over TT, especially with far less (understatement) injuries.

Bernman wrote:According to these awards, who did a particularly good job of propelling the Pack to winning the Super Bowl and being #2 in the regular season in point differential, in spite of the massive amount of injuries?

That is my thought. We were one of the best 10-6 teams ever (looking at point differential, really bad luck in close losses), with the most injuries in the league. Our success and ability to overcome was directly tied to players TT nabbed.

Who cares if their schedule was easy and they won close games? They won 7 more games than they did last year. In addition he drafted a guy who looks like he could become elite at WR and another guy who looks like he could become elite at DT.

The Bucs GM did a great job this year. Anyone who says otherwise is clearly just trying to rip him to boost their own GM.

TT did a great job too. I honestly think the biggest joke out of all of them is the Falcons GM. My vote(s) would have gone to TT, the Bucs GM, KC's GM or Bellicheck. All four of those guys did a tremendous job this year.

Oh, apparently Mike Williams and McCoy are total scrubs... A 7 game increase in wins is just nothing.

Homer view point? I think so.

McCoy was the 2nd pick in the draft. Why does win improvement get EOTY? All that means is the GM was awful the year before. Look at the Bucs schedule. Look at their injury report. Then look at our schedule and our injury report.

No, it isn't homer and I'm guessing if you polled this around the league to non-GB and non-TB fans, TT wins by a large margin.

The Bucs GM did a great job this year. Anyone who says otherwise is clearly just trying to rip him to boost their own GM.

Or they have been ripping on the Bucs all season (and not being the only one). I've been talking about how overrated TB was all year, and it is because it is true.

The people who vote for these things don't care about point differential. They care about 14 wins vs. 10 wins for us when were preseason favorites. They care about a 7 win improvement for the Bucs.

We won the only award that really matters.

LUKE23 wrote:McCoy was the 2nd pick in the draft. Why does win improvement get EOTY? All that means is the GM was awful the year before. Look at the Bucs schedule. Look at their injury report. Then look at our schedule and our injury report.

No, it isn't homer and I'm guessing if you polled this around the league to non-GB and non-TB fans, TT wins by a large margin.

So what if he was the second pick in the draft? Win improvement was part of the reason why TT won his Executive of the Year...

You are pretty much ripping everything Tampa's GM did. I agree Thompson had a better year as a GM, I think he had a better year than any GM to be honest. But to just sit there and act like the Tampa GM did nothing is a joke and shows you either 1. know nothing about football or 2. you just want to try to say everything he did sucks in order to boost what TT accomplished.

Perhaps admitting they both did a great job and saying you think TT deserves it more would be a more logical approach? Maybe? No?

Also, this is voted on by (mostly) people who are non-GB and non-TB fans. That's a pretty amusing argument.

emunney wrote:The people who vote for these things don't care about point differential. They care about 14 wins vs. 10 wins for us when were preseason favorites. They care about a 7 win improvement for the Bucs.

We won the only award that really matters.

I agree, but I'm saying I disagree with them.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/team/schedule/_/ ... buccaneers

Look at their schedule. They played 6 playoff teams, and were 1-5 against them with several blowouts. They had a 7 win improvement, but that is only because their talent base was so bad the year before and they got abnormally lucky this season in close games.

I want to know what shrewd moves the Bucs GM made. McCoy at #2? What else?

emunney wrote:The people who vote for these things don't care about point differential. They care about 14 wins vs. 10 wins for us when were preseason favorites. They care about a 7 win improvement for the Bucs.

We won the only award that really matters.

They should obviously though, because it's reflective of the amount of plays made by Rodg, Clay, Tramon, and the caliber of team that TT picked.

They'd also be remiss to not factor in circumstance. If you are that high caliber with 15 guys on IR, and 19 out for the Super Bowl, the coach is doing a great job of creating a system, GM of amassing talent, or a couple guys on each side of the football who have remained are supreme.

It's about the principle, the principality of the decisions.

The thing that annoys me most about TT not winning (or being right there), is the amount of in season moves he had to make, and the under the radar moves that panned out to save our season.

I mean, lets make a list:

1. Drafting Starks in the sixth round, even though he didn't play college ball the year before, and having him resurge our running game in the postseason

2. Grabbing Howard Green off waivers after our DL was decimated, and having him really help our run D down the stretch.

3. Shields. Enough said.

4. Walden. Enough said.

Among several others. I think this award should be based on in season moves that are directly correlated with team success.

Tampa has some tougher teams next year, I hope they go 6-10. Not much to really say about this award other than LOL.

LUKE23 wrote:I want to know what shrewd moves the Bucs GM made. McCoy at #2? What else?

Mike Williams who looks like he's going to become an elite WR? Blount who rushed for 1,000 yards as a rookie?

I find it amusing you think McCoy shouldn't count. Who cares where he was picked? He still turned out to be a good player.

Oh, Tampa also has 13 guys listed on the IR too. http://www.buccaneers.com/team-and-stats/roster.html

Hilarious.