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Arrested again for the same ****

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=A ... kers-jolly

Technically this is like "so long" for about the third time. After the last arrest it was pretty much guaranteed that he'd never play in the league again. Such a damn idiot.

He was pretty talented too. Can't say I feel sorry for him, but what a waste.

Jolly was very good. To bad hes one of the dumbest ppl on the planet.

You take take the player out of the hood but you can't take the hood out of the player. Dat purple drank dawgg.

So, Jolly must've either surrounded himself with awful people, or was such an ass that everyone who had ever legitimately cared about him had to cut him out of their lives, or he was in such a financial bind he went back to the purple well.

By all accounts, he was a nice guy....just really, really dumb. The guy would've been a huge asset this year.

MartyConlonOnTheRun wrote:By all accounts, he was a nice guy....just really, really dumb.

He just seems like an addict to me. Codeine is addictive just as other pain killers are, Jolly just seems to prefer a more enjoyable method for ingesting it than other avenues for getting it into the bloodstream.

I understand why people call him stupid, but i'm quite sure the NFL is littered with guys addicted to painkillers, along with former players.

RiotPunch wrote:You take take the player out of the hood but you can't take the hood out of the player. Dat purple drank dawgg.

Sure, because everyone who grew up in the hood sells/uses drugs.

OBF-MKE wrote:So, Jolly must've either surrounded himself with awful people, or was such an ass that everyone who had ever legitimately cared about him had to cut him out of their lives, or he was in such a financial bind he went back to the purple well.

Or he was an addict, which would involve a combination of those options IMO, though I don't know about the addictive qualities of codeine. Either way, this is a sad story and I do hope he gets his life together.

ETA: I missed El Dude's comments on the addictiveness of Codeine, but assuming they're accurate, that's where I'd bet my money.

Codeine is highly addictive humanrefutation.

The one caveat i'd give though about Jolly is that while i'm very certain that many current and former players either have a painkiller addiction right now or had an addiction at one time, it seems like Jolly initially formed his addiction through recreational use with friends doing the purple drank party mix instead of forming that addiction mainly through using painkillers prescribed by the team to help with injuries as happens with many players.

Most of the media attention when it comes to drug addiction focuses on crack, meth, and heroin, but abuse of prescription painkillers has been skyrocketing for awhile now and a strong addiction can be just as hard to break in some cases. Prescription painkillers are almost all opiate based, the main ingredient in heroin.

They are cleaner to use though vs shooting some smack, so it can easily sucker in people who then become addicts before they know it. FWIW, i'm not trying to let Jolly off the hook here. The guy had a choice once he got busted the first time. Take getting clean very seriously and stop hanging with guys who could drag him back down, but he obviously didn't. I just don't automatically fall into the Jolly is a brainless moron thought because his behavior is much more consistent with how so many drug addicts behave and it's certainly not only low IQ folks who become addicts.

El Duderino wrote:Codeine is highly addictive humanrefutation.

The one caveat i'd give though about Jolly is that while i'm very certain that many current and former players either have a painkiller addiction right now or had an addiction at one time, it seems like Jolly initially formed his addiction through recreational use with friends doing the purple drank party mix instead of forming that addiction mainly through using painkillers prescribed by the team to help with injuries as happens with many players.

Most of the media attention when it comes to drug addiction focuses on crack, meth, and heroin, but abuse of prescription painkillers has been skyrocketing for awhile now and a strong addiction can be just as hard to break in some cases. Prescription painkillers are almost all opiate based, the main ingredient in heroin.

They are cleaner to use though vs shooting some smack, so it can easily sucker in people who then become addicts before they know it. FWIW, i'm not trying to let Jolly off the hook here. The guy had a choice once he got busted the first time. Take getting clean very seriously and stop hanging with guys who could drag him back down, but he obviously didn't. I just don't automatically fall into the Jolly is a brainless moron thought because his behavior is much more consistent with how so many drug addicts behave and it's certainly not only low IQ folks who become addicts.

Thanks for the info. I assumed that codeine had an addictive quality, I just wasn't sure how high it was by comparison to hydrocodone, oxycodone, percocet, or other commonly prescribed painkillers. While I do think individuals with addictions have to take some responsibility for their choices, I have sympathy for anyone suffering from addiction. It can ruin someone's life, and it very well could ruin Jolly's.

Per NFP:

Johnny Jolly faces serious charges in Houston after he’s been arrested for the third time, allegedly in possession of codeine.

A judge has denied him bond and he’s currently on parole, meaning previous charges could jam him up also. It’s a sad tale of a player who was once a dominant defensive lineman for the Green Bay Packers but is now suspended indefinitely by commissioner Roger Goodell and as far from the NFL as you can magine.

His former teammates are disappointed by the situation and quarterback Aaron Rodgers said taking Jolly away from the support system of the league hasn’t helped.

“I’ve been in touch with him off and on the last couple years. It’s just disappointing. And I’ll be honest, I think the league deserves some of the blame in this case,” Rodgers said, on ESPN Milwaukee, according to sportsradiointerviews.com. “When you look at some of the other guys that have been reinstated in the league after jail sentences, and justly, rightly so, Johnny didn’t serve any days in prison, sat out for a year and still couldn’t get his case heard, from what I was told. I just think that that’s wrong.

“I think the commissioner’s done a great job of cleaning up some of the stuff in the league. That said, if you take a guy away from his support system … I don’t think that’s helping.”

Good for Rodgers for bringing this up... I wondered why Jolly couldn't even get his case heard as well.

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Aar ... -case.html

Dead on.

Great point by Rodgers. Favre said the same things about Koren Robinson back in the day, and it's 100% true.

So dumb. Never mind football, hopefully Jolly can just conquer whatever demons he has and not end up spending a good portion of his life in prison.

JayMKE wrote:So dumb. Never mind football, hopefully Jolly can just conquer whatever demons he has and not end up spending a good portion of his life in prison.

At this point prison might be the only thing that CAN save him.

jakecronus8 wrote:

JayMKE wrote:So dumb. Never mind football, hopefully Jolly can just conquer whatever demons he has and not end up spending a good portion of his life in prison.

At this point prison might be the only thing that CAN save him.

Prison doesn't save people, rehabilitative services does.

humanrefutation wrote:
Prison doesn't save people, rehabilitative services does.

Debatable.

Wade-A-Holic wrote:

humanrefutation wrote:
Prison doesn't save people, rehabilitative services does.

Debatable.

Not really. Rehabilitative services don't always work, but if recidivism rates have shown us anything, it is that prison does not save people.