Rodgers rank among QBs

[eagle13]

Rodgers is playing like the best QB in the NFL this year. He and Brady are setting the pace. Where does Aaron rank among QBs since the SuperBowl began? (The All-Time ranking with guys like Sammy Baugh & Otto Graham is beyond me. At least I’ve seen all the QBs play since the SB began.)

I used a simple formula to evaluate by.
½ = stats – especially completion %, TDs & wins
¼ = SB wins/appearances
¼ = MVP honors, team strength, leadership, blunders, etc.

TOP 25 QB since the Super Bowl began =

1- (tie) Montana3/3, Brady3/4, Starr2/2,
4- (tie) Elway2/5, Favre1/2, Marino0/1,
7- (tie) Young1/1, ManningP1/2,
9- (tie) Staubach2/4, Unitas1/1
11- (tie) Aikman3/3, Bradshaw4/4, Tarkenton0/3,
14- Rodgers1/1,
15- (tie) Kelly0/4, Warner1/3, Brees1/1,
18- (tie) Griese2/3, Plunkett2/2, Stabler1/1,
21- (tie) Fouts0/0, Moon0/0, Rivers0/0, Rothensberger2/2
25 - ?

As you can see I have Rodgers ranked 14th - just a tad ahead of the group tied at 15. That’s pretty high for a guy with only 4 years as a starter. But he’s getting it done with elite stats and a SB win & MVP. Where would you rank him? How do you feel about the other guys rank?

IMO IF he wins the SB again this year and keeps up his incredible passer rating and to a lesser degree is named season’s MVP he moves up – probably in tie for 9th. And it would only take a couple more productive years to be pushing into the #4 group.

[Newz]

For how he is playing right now, in his prime, I'd rank him right along with the best ever.

But when you are talking about overall, longevity factors into it in a major way. So I'd say you have him right about where he should be.

Those are pretty good rankings, though I'd probably swap Marino and Manning with one another.

[LUKE23]

It's the second best start to a season ever (Brady, 2007). If he continues the current pace throughout (which is possible but not likely), it will be the best overall season ever, IMO.

His current QB rating would be best ever if he finished the season with it. Right now the record is 121.1 by Manning in 2004.

[Newz]

Definitely agree with you that it's unlikely that Rodgers keeps it up Luke. I think the cold weather will definitely have an impact.

This Packers team would be totally unstoppable if we played in a dome.

[MickeyDavis]

All 5 of our December/January games are outside, 3 at Lambeau, so the numbers will go down a bit. But I sure love watching him. All of the great plays Favre used to make with none of the boneheaded ones.

[an_also]

Montana is 4 for 4 on superbowls by the way.

[eagle13]

Montana is 4 for 4 on superbowls by the way.

My bad. That's a Wow! Further reinforces his ranking.

What's cool is if Rodgers continues playing like this, within a couple years the Pack will have 3 QBs among the top 10. Frisco will have 2 with Young gradually dropping. Starr already challenges Montana and Farve is better than Young. IF Aaron stays healthy who knows what he'll achieve.

[LUKE23]

Starr already challenges Montana and Farve is better than Young.

I disagree with both of those statements.

[an_also]

I'll agree that Favre had a better career and a better peak than steve young.

[Newz]

I'd take Favre over young by just a bit.

Starr is incredibly hard to rank because the league was so different when he played. No doubt he is a legend and one of the best ever, probably not on Montana's level though.

[an_also]

More accolades for Montana. The dude's postseason career was unparalleled.

Career postseason record: 16-7
Career postseason statistics: 460-734, 5772 yards, 45 TD, 21 INT; 95.6 passer rating


I also think John Elway belongs in the same tier as Joe Montana. He carried a lot of those broncos teams in the 80s that weren't close to being talented as some of the other powerhouses in the league. I feel Elway always gets overlooked a bit.

[eagle13]

Young was great no doubt but stats, MVPs, most records held say Farve > Young. However I'll concede Young as the better passer & decision maker while Farve the better play maker and leader compiling superior stats with much less talent surroundiing him than Young had.

I'll keep Elway where he is = Farve.

As for Montana & Starr I have equal respect. One objective view of Bart

Cold Hard Football Facts rates Starr as the #1 all-time.

1. BART STARR (Green Bay, 1956-71)

Best season (1966): 156 for 251 (62.2%), 2,257 yards, 9.0 YPA, 14 TD, 3 INT, 105.0 passer rating
Career: 1,808 for 3,149 (57.4%), 24,718 yards, 7.8 YPA, 152 TD, 138 INT, 80.5 passer rating
Championships: 1961, 1962, 1965, 1966, 1967
Overview: That’s right. Bart Starr. The greatest quarterback in the history of the game.

Sit down and take notes:

History has done a grave disservice to the legacy of Starr, the 17th-round draft pick out of pre-Bear Bryant Alabama who turned into the most clutch and most cruelly efficient passing assassin of his or any other generation.

History remembers Starr’s legendary coach, and the bevy of Hall of Fame talent that surrounded him. It forgets that Starr was Lombardi’s second in command, a tremendous big-game performer, and that the Packers of the 1960s would have been just another team without the prolific Starr as their beloved on-field leader. Instead, they won five NFL championships, with Starr at the helm of every single one of those title teams, while he crafted an NFL-record 9-1 postseason mark. The rings say it all: Starr is the only quarterback in history who has one for every finger on his throwing hand.

And even if you listen to teammates today, they make it pretty clear that they would have fallen on a grenade for Starr. Leadership is an elemental piece of quarterbacking – probably more important than gaudy passing stats. And that love his teammates had for their field general is an incredible sign of his leadership.

But forget, for a moment, the team accomplishments and the “intangibles” of leadership.

If you want to talk passing and statistics, we’ll put Starr up against anybody. Anybody.

He led the NFL in passer rating five times. Johnny Unitas led the league in passer rating just twice. Ditto Joe Montana. Only Steve Young surpassed Starr’s mark (six).

And, lest we forget, Starr was the best postseason passer in NFL history, as evidenced by his record 104.8 playoff passer rating and 1.41 percent interception rate, also a postseason record (CHFF readers are well aware of the importance of not throwing picks in the playoffs). Starr played in an era when 80 was a decent passer rating. Yet he still performed more efficiently in the playoffs than folks such as Montana, Brady, Manning, Marino, Young and … well, anybody, ever.

There’s a cause and effect here, folks: NFL’s greatest dynasty, only winners of three-straight title games, and a record 9-1 postseason mark. And there, underlying it all, is Starr with his postseason passing records. The two are intricately intertwined.

History also remembers Starr’s Packers as a great running team, and that’s certainly true of their earlier years. But the truth is that they typically passed the ball more effectively than they ran it, especially during their run of three straight, when they were a below-average running team.

In their 1965 championship season, the Packers were 11th in the 14-team league with an average of 3.4 yards per rushing attempt. They were second in the league, with an average of 8.2 yards per passing attempt.

In their 1966 championship season, the Packers were 14th in the 15-team league, with an average of 3.5 yards per rushing attempt. They were first in the league, with an average of 8.9 yards per passing attempt.

In their 1967 championship season, the Packers were 4th in the 16-team league, with an average of 4.0 yards per rushing attempt. They were first in the league, with an average of 8.3 yards per passing attempt (Starr himself that season averaged 8.7 YPA).

Starr averaged a remarkable 7.85 YPA over the course of his entire career, the 8th-best mark in history, and better than that of a slate of quarterbacks who are generally regarded as the best passers in history, including Dan Marino (7.37), Joe Montana (7.52), Roger Staubach (7.67), Dan Fouts (7.68), Sonny Jurgensen (7.56), Fran Tarkenton (7.27), Y.A. Tittle (7.52), Terry Bradshaw (7.17) and Joe Namath (7.35).

Six times in the 1960s, Starr surpassed 8.2 YPA for a season. To put that into context, Peyton Manning has surpassed 8.2 YPA just twice in his brilliant 10-year career.

And, if you want drama, don’t forget that Starr scored the winning TD in the Ice Bowl, probably the most famous game in NFL history. Sure, Montana led his team 92 yards for the game-winning score in Super Bowl XXIII. But he did it on a 68-degree night in Miami. Turn down the thermostat by 86 degrees (it was 18-below in the fourth quarter of the Ice Bowl) and you begin to approximate the conditions under which the greatest quarterback in NFL history operated during his greatest moment in the sport’s greatest game.

And Starr was brilliant on that drive, in the decisive moments of the sport’s most famous game: he completed 5 of 5 passes in ball-busting cold, and then called a run play for the winning score. But instead of handing it off, he decided in his mind, without telling his teammates, that he was going to punch it in himself. It was only fitting: the game’s greatest signal-caller taking matters into his own hands in the sport’s signature moment.

To cap his career achievements, Starr earned MVP honors in the first two Super Bowls after shredding the best the AFL could throw his way for 452 yards on 47 passing attempts (9.6 YPA). Among those victims were the 1967 Raiders, perhaps the AFL's greatest single team. He posted a combined 106.0 passer rating in those two games. If you think it was no small feat to beat up on "upstart" AFL teams, just look at how NFL quarterbacks fared in Super Bowls III and IV. (Here's a hint: they were embarrassed.)

When it comes to a combination of leadership, victories, big-game performances and statistical supremacy nobody – NOBODY – put together a more total package than Bart Starr, the greatest quarterback in NFL history

[Newz]

Starr averaged a remarkable 7.85 YPA over the course of his entire career, the 8th-best mark in history, and better than that of a slate of quarterbacks who are generally regarded as the best passers in history, including Dan Marino (7.37), Joe Montana (7.52), Roger Staubach (7.67), Dan Fouts (7.68), Sonny Jurgensen (7.56), Fran Tarkenton (7.27), Y.A. Tittle (7.52), Terry Bradshaw (7.17) and Joe Namath (7.35).

That's pretty crazy.

[emunney]

So many of those Starr teams were just crazy stacked, though. Those lines all featured multiple HoFers. Kind of crazy.

Imo, it's a slap in the face to have Unitas 9th.

[MickeyDavis]

Yup, I always point to the CHFF column. It's 3 years old but still good.

http://www.coldhardfootballfacts.com/Ar ... backs.html

[MickeyDavis]

The offensive lines under Starr were good but only Gregg is a hall of famer. Bowman, Kramer, Gillingham and Skoronski were not. Jim Ringo is a Hall of Famer but was traded after the '63 season and was not part of the 3 straight championship teams. Rodgers has far more weapons than Starr did, IMO. Obviously it's always hard to compare players from different era's but Starr gets overlooked because he didn't have gaudy numbers and because of Lombardi.

[MickeyDavis]

The best QB I've ever seen play in person was Montana. That guy was incredible.

[El Duderino]

It shocked me awhile ago when i was looking back at HOF quarterbacks that Elway only had two seasons with a QB rating of 90 or higher, with 93 in his last year being his highest.

[Badgerlander]

I don't know what the debate is about, Rodgers currently holds the rank of Captain

[emunney]

The offensive lines under Starr were good but only Gregg is a hall of famer. Bowman, Kramer, Gillingham and Skoronski were not. Jim Ringo is a Hall of Famer but was traded after the '63 season and was not part of the 3 straight championship teams. Rodgers has far more weapons than Starr did, IMO. Obviously it's always hard to compare players from different era's but Starr gets overlooked because he didn't have gaudy numbers and because of Lombardi.

Would you agree that both Gillingham and Kramer absolutely belong in the HoF? I will admit that I didn't know Kramer wasn't in it. That's ridiculous.