Pack looking to trade for S. Jackson

JEIS · Post #1 » by **JEIS** » Tue Oct 30, 2012 1:05 am

Could be a nice addition he and Benson for the playoff run.

http://aol.sportingnews.com/nfl/story/2 ... mended_2_5

emunney · Post #2 » by **emunney** » Tue Oct 30, 2012 1:08 am

If we did this, what are the rules on comp picks? Would we still get one if he walked? If so, I say **** it.

Now that I've asked it, I'm going to try to look it up.

I think we would, but will Jax really get a salary big enough to justify a 3rd round comp pick? I have a hard time seeing him getting that kind of payday.

RiotPunch · Post #3 » by **RiotPunch** » Tue Oct 30, 2012 1:41 am

Pretty sure we'd still get a comp pick, but yeah more likely to be a 4th than a 3rd realistically.

We'll probably get a 4th round comp this year for Flynn, so we will likely have 1,2,3,4,4,5,6,7. With the two 4ths, a 3rd is somewhat expendable.

Not sure if I like this idea or not.

Post #4 » by **ReasonablySober** » Tue Oct 30, 2012 1:51 am

I think it's remarkable that there are people who didn't want to trade Jennings for a 1st or 2nd are now against dealing a 3rd or 4th for Jackson. It's the same **** principal. You don't waste a chance at a super bowl run for a draft pick, etc.

zmanishere11 · Post #5 » by **zmanishere11** » Tue Oct 30, 2012 1:53 am

As long as it's not more than a 4th I'm good with this.

The guy I'd personally be looking at is Mark Ingram. NO is going no-where fast, and dude is barely playing over there. I'd rather give up a 3 for Ingram than a 4 for S-Jax.

Trades do not affect comp picks - so we'd still get a 3 / 4 for Flynn.

Actually if we traded for S-Jax and he got a decent offer in the off-season and left, I think we'd be in line for a comp pick in 2014 for him!

Post #6 » by **ReasonablySober** » Tue Oct 30, 2012 1:54 am

zmanishere11 wrote:As long as it's not more than a 4th I'm good with this.

The guy I'd personally be looking at is Mark Ingram. NO is going no-where fast, and dude is barely playing over there. I'd rather give up a 3 for Ingram than a 4 for S-Jax.

Trades do not affect comp picks - so we'd still get a 3 / 4 for Flynn.

Actually if we traded for S-Jax and he got a decent offer in the off-season and left, I think we'd be in line for a comp pick in 2014 for him!

Nice idea for Ingram.

emunney · Post #7 » by **emunney** » Tue Oct 30, 2012 1:56 am

zmanishere11 wrote:Trades do not affect comp picks - so we'd still get a 3 / 4 for Flynn.

Actually if we traded for S-Jax and he got a decent offer in the off-season and left, I think we'd be in line for a comp pick in 2014 for him!

Right, the 2014 was the one I was thinking of. I couldn't remember if they changed the rules so that certain types of acquisitions didn't yield comp picks when they left in FA. I think I was thinking of baseball.

RiotPunch · Post #8 » by **RiotPunch** » Tue Oct 30, 2012 2:01 am

DrugBust wrote:I think it's remarkable that there are people who didn't want to trade Jennings for a 1st or 2nd are now against dealing a 3rd or 4th for Jackson. It's the same **** principal. You don't waste a chance at a super bowl run for a draft pick, etc.

I agree, although I'm not entirely sold that S-Jax would be all that awesome with our O-Line.

zmanishere11 wrote:Trades do not affect comp picks - so we'd still get a 3 / 4 for Flynn.

Actually if we traded for S-Jax and he got a decent offer in the off-season and left, I think we'd be in line for a comp pick in 2014 for him!

Don't think anyone thought the Flynn comp was in question. I think you're right on the last part though.

Kerb Hohl · Post #9 » by **Kerb Hohl** » Tue Oct 30, 2012 2:01 am

DrugBust wrote:I think it's remarkable that there are people who didn't want to trade Jennings for a 1st or 2nd are now against dealing a 3rd or 4th for Jackson. It's the same **** principal. You don't waste a chance at a super bowl run for a draft pick, etc.

I remember that one time when we won a Super Bowl after not making a trade for a BETTER running back (at this point in his career).

I'm not going to complain if we make a Jackson trade, but TT can keep replenishing the roster for cheap, and I'm not really that sure that S-Jax is much of an upgrade. I haven't been a fan of him for a while except for the fact that he's durable and can carry the load. He's already becoming a shell of his former self.

And to Ingram. No thanks. Wasn't a huge fan of him coming into the league as he looks stiff and slow with the ball. I'm a fan of buying low (like a 5th or later) but I wouldn't waste my time on a guy that thus far looks as bad or worse than Alex Green.

Post #10 » by **humanrefutation** » Tue Oct 30, 2012 2:17 am

DrugBust wrote:I think it's remarkable that there are people who didn't want to trade Jennings for a 1st or 2nd are now against dealing a 3rd or 4th for Jackson. It's the same **** principal. You don't waste a chance at a super bowl run for a draft pick, etc.

It's not the same principal if you don't think Steven Jackson is enough of an upgrade to be worth giving up a pick for him. His YPC numbers are better than any back on our roster, but they're still not very good. Lynch was 24 when we were talking about acquiring him. Jackson is 29 with a lot of mileage on him.

I'm not going to throw a fit if we acquire Jackson. I just don't know if he's a difference maker anymore. I would be more inclined to talk to the Saints about Ingram, though there are no indications that he's on the block.

MikeIsGood · Post #11 » by **MikeIsGood** » Tue Oct 30, 2012 2:22 am

humanrefutation wrote:
DrugBust wrote:I think it's remarkable that there are people who didn't want to trade Jennings for a 1st or 2nd are now against dealing a 3rd or 4th for Jackson. It's the same **** principal. You don't waste a chance at a super bowl run for a draft pick, etc.

It's not the same principal if you don't think Steven Jackson is enough of an upgrade to be worth giving up a pick for him. His YPC numbers are better than any back on our roster, but they're still not very good. Lynch was 24 when we were talking about acquiring him. Jackson is 29 with a lot of mileage on him.

Yep, this.

emunney · Post #12 » by **emunney** » Tue Oct 30, 2012 2:35 am

29 or not, he's still a lot better than Ingram's shown to be.

Reddeye · Post #13 » by **Reddeye** » Tue Oct 30, 2012 2:43 am

Running back DeAngelo Williams has been the subject of a potential trade. A team source told the Observer that at least one playoff-contending team has reached out to the Panthers about possibly trading for the back.

Rivera said he has not discussed a Williams trade with anyone and referred questions to Brandon Beane, who has been handling personnel duties since Marty Hurney was fired last week. He declined to discuss the potential of a Williams trade further.

Turk Nowitzki · Post #14 » by **Turk Nowitzki** » Tue Oct 30, 2012 2:46 am

I'd be interested in Jackson but definitely not for a 3rd. I'd do a 5th with some reasonable conditions that could bump it up to a 4th or something like that.

SpursNBucks · Post #15 » by **SpursNBucks** » Tue Oct 30, 2012 2:52 am

DrugBust wrote:I think it's remarkable that there are people who didn't want to trade Jennings for a 1st or 2nd are now against dealing a 3rd or 4th for Jackson. It's the same **** principal. You don't waste a chance at a super bowl run for a draft pick, etc.

I couldn't agree more- if he is available for a 4th round pick it's an easy decision. That might give them the kind of extra push at the right time- a bit like the Super Bowl year they brought in Rison. Jackson may not be the back he was two/three years ago, but he sure is an upgrade from what they have now.

Post #16 » by **jr lucosa** » Tue Oct 30, 2012 2:54 am

I'll take Jackson or Williams, just get us a guy who can get the job done.

xTitan · Post #17 » by **xTitan** » Tue Oct 30, 2012 2:57 am

I sure the hell am not trading a 3rd round pick for a part time 30 year old RB. Benson will be back in 4 weeks, with a terrible o-line and questionable scheme, Benson will be good enough. It is also about time Starks gets some burn, if they don't like Starks, that's cool use him up and burn him out, who cares. To bad TT when against what he usually does and picked up a washed up fossil at center, made a lot of fans happy, at least those who remember Saturday from 5 -10 years ago.

BUCKnation · Post #18 » by **BUCKnation** » Tue Oct 30, 2012 3:20 am

Trading a 4th or higher for any one of the aforementioned RBs would make me happy.

Kerb Hohl · Post #19 » by **Kerb Hohl** » Tue Oct 30, 2012 3:33 am

As I stated before, I'm not getting the Ingram part of things.

SpursNBucks · Post #20 » by **SpursNBucks** » Tue Oct 30, 2012 3:41 am

zmanishere11 wrote:As long as it's not more than a 4th I'm good with this.

The guy I'd personally be looking at is Mark Ingram. NO is going no-where fast, and dude is barely playing over there. I'd rather give up a 3 for Ingram than a 4 for S-Jax.

Trades do not affect comp picks - so we'd still get a 3 / 4 for Flynn.

Actually if we traded for S-Jax and he got a decent offer in the off-season and left, I think we'd be in line for a comp pick in 2014 for him!

I thought Ingram was over-rated coming out of Alabama- not great speed (4.64/40), the worst 20 yd shuttle, with good (maybe not great in NFL) power. The main thing though is it's too early for them to trade him- they traded up in the first round- they aren't about to trade him after a year and a half for a 3rd round pick. Their run game like ours has had issues in large part because of the line play.

Deangelo Williams - as mentioned is def on the trading block, but he's also 29 and I don't believe he is as good as S-Jax. Part of the problem with Jackson you have to keep in mind is their o-line may be worse then the Pack's.

Options I came up with:

LeGarrette Blount- Ya, he is the guy who sucker punched the Boise State player, but the guy is young and runs about as hard as anyone.

Peyton Hillis- He's avg 4.6/carry, seems like Packer people, will be a free agent after the year, and playing on a team that is 1-6. The Chiefs have Charles so they would not have any problem unloading him cheap.

Felix Jones- Another guy that is set to be a free agent in 2013. He has a career avg of 4.9/carry, but Murray is their future. It is looking like Dallas is not going anywhere. I think this guy may just need a change of scenery- maybe you trade them a late pick and WR Boykin.

Keep in mind your not going to get an elite back, but they just need an upgrade. Starks always seems to be hurt, Alex Green is just not that good, and Benson when he returns - is a fumble machine and who even knows in what form he returns in if he even does. I'm in a agreement with some of you that feel a 4th may be too high (for me only the right guy)- and that a 5th is about as high as you should go in a trade.

Ted Thompson 4th round picks history (on the team): Mike Daniels, Davon House, Quarless (PUP), and Finley,
TT's 5th round picks on the team: Jeron McMillian, DJ Williams, and Marshall Newhouse.

Of that group - I like what I see in House, Finley has played at a Pro Bowl level before all the dropsies, McMillian has looked good at times, Williams may just be a little too small- I know they were high on him in camp, and Newhouse starts -although honestly he is clearly one of the worst starting LTs in the NFL- would like an upgrade there eventually.