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In the last two years, he's plus-70 in touchdown-to-interception ratio, and that is not a misprint: 84 touchdowns, 14 interceptions.

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Brady might have had it if he didnt get injured in 08, but I cant recall a two year stretch like Godgers has had the last two years.

whats funny is, he has been frustrated all year and should have played better i.e. not holding to the ball and missing wide open guys he hit last year

nevertheless, we're so lucky to have him

Best first 5 seasons as a starter ever.

Pending best career ever.

You have to rank Brees over the last 2 years as well.
10,500 yds and 90 td's.
Rating is not the only stat.

Lippo wrote:You have to rank Brees over the last 2 years as well.
10,500 yds and 90 td's.
Rating is not the only stat.

Brees also has 33 interceptions over that period.

Rodgers record was 26-6(should be 27-5 if not for Seattle) and Brees went 20-12.

So I don't think you have to consider Brees as good as Rodgers the last 2 years unless you are just going to go by sheer volume.

Brees attempts: 1327
Rodgers attempts: 1054

So Brees has a full 26% more volume in pass attempts for 19% more yards and 21.5% more TDs while throwing 136% more interceptions.

So yeah, if you want to base it on throwing the ball a metric **** ton and going for pure volume of yards sure Brees should be considered.

by that logic Eric Decker had a better season than Calvin Johnson, because CJ has 80 more targets than Decker. If Decker would have had = targets he would have produced 141 catches, 1675 yds and 22 td's so he is obviously better than Calvin, lol.

Don't get me wrong I luv Rodgers, I was calling for a Favre trade the day we drafted Rodgers and I won over a grand betting on California that year. I was an advocate of trading up to the top 5 to draft him in my Mocks and when he actually fell to us AND we took him, I Jizzed myself. But Brees has the yardage record. Is the best wr or rb the one that gets the most yards in the season or the best APC.

chuckleslove wrote:

Lippo wrote:You have to rank Brees over the last 2 years as well.
10,500 yds and 90 td's.
Rating is not the only stat.

Brees also has 33 interceptions over that period.

Rodgers record was 26-6(should be 27-5 if not for Seattle) and Brees went 20-12.

So I don't think you have to consider Brees as good as Rodgers the last 2 years unless you are just going to go by sheer volume.

Brees attempts: 1327
Rodgers attempts: 1054

So Brees has a full 26% more volume in pass attempts for 19% more yards and 21.5% more TDs while throwing 136% more interceptions.

So yeah, if you want to base it on throwing the ball a metric **** ton and going for pure volume of yards sure Brees should be considered.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/l ... career.htm

If you go by qb rating player like Romo/Pennington/Garcia/Rivers are better than Montana/Marino/Fouts/Aikman.

I still happen to think Marino is a top 5 QB all time, he is 17 on that list.

Well that is comparing across generations which is harder to do, the game much favors passing now than it used to, but you are comparing 2 players over the same 2 year period and there is ONLY one measure by which Brees is equal or better to Rodgers and that is in pure volume.

That also completely ignores the threat Rodgers is with his feet compared to the statue that is Brees in the pocket.

chuckleslove wrote:Well that is comparing across generations which is harder to do, the game much favors passing now than it used to, but you are comparing 2 players over the same 2 year period and there is ONLY one measure by which Brees is equal or better to Rodgers and that is in pure volume.

That also completely ignores the threat Rodgers is with his feet compared to the statue that is Brees in the pocket.

Once again Ill bring up the Decker/Calvin... the only measure CJ is equal or better than Decker is in pure volume.
Eric Decker had a better season than Calvin Johnson, because CJ has 80 more targets than Decker. If Decker would have had = targets he would have produced 141 catches, 1775 yds and 22 td's so he is obviously better than Calvin.

I have no doubt AR could have put up even better stats than Brees if MM had the killer instinct that Payton/Bress did, but the fact is MM didn't run the scores up.

It's different for WRs. Getting that many targets is a testament to CJ's ability to get open. Drew Brees just threw the ball a s*** load.

Rodgers has better advanced stats than Brees. Period.

You can't just compare Wide Receiver targets vs QB attempts. WR targets a lot of the time a factor is their ability to create separation or to catch a ball in a crowd despite being covered. You argument is just stupid and there is no point in even debating it with you. If you cannot comprehend why Rodgers had a better 2 year stretch, and it isn't really all that close, then enjoy your delusional idea that Brees had as good of a 2 year stretch as Rodgers.

The reason I ignored your Decker vs Megatron comparison the first time is because it was beyond stupid so I really didn't feel it needed addressing but if you are going to keep bringing it up until I state the obvious then so be it.


EDIT: looks like someone else beat me to it.

Whatever the stats say I take Rodgers the last 2 years on the interceptions alone.

Lippo..you don't even believe what your saying! On top of the difference in passing attempts, should we bring up the fact Brees plays in perfect weather conditions more often that not? Oh and Rodgers has 5 rushing touchdowns in the past two years, to Brees having 2

A Diddy2231 wrote:Lippo..you don't even believe what your saying! On top of the difference in passing attempts, should we bring up the fact Brees plays in perfect weather conditions more often that not? Oh and Rodgers has 5 rushing touchdowns in the past two years, to Brees having 2

In 2011 he had an 8 yard TD run, this year it was just a QB sneak, not even really "making" a play.

Please stop, this is the same argument we used last season when comparing the two for MVP. Its not rocket science to figure out Rodgers has been better.

A Diddy2231 wrote:Lippo..you don't even believe what your saying! On top of the difference in passing attempts, should we bring up the fact Brees plays in perfect weather conditions more often that not? Oh and Rodgers has 5 rushing touchdowns in the past two years, to Brees having 2

I guess I'm just old school. I see YDs and TD's as the measuring stick. Its like scoring titles in the NBA, they don't take into account PER , TS%. I grew up in the 80's before QB Rating, and loved the Lynn Dickeys, Dan Fouts and Dan Marinos.

I ask you this
If a RB A ran for 2123yd/23td and 2040yd/21td in 2 years, at 4.9 avg had 8 fumbles and 30 catches on a 20-12, would his season be better than
RB B that had 1800/17 and 1900/17 at 5.6 avg , 80 catches and 4 fumbles on a 24-8 team
I say RB A, even though if there was a RB Rating, back 2 would probably have a better rating.

Dont really know what is going on with the Running back A vs Running back B comparison here...


But just looking at what Rodgers has done along with his numbers to back him up, makes the past two years insane. I had the argument with a friend regarding the whole brees vs rodgers issue. To me you can talk about the 5000 yds passing, but I always look at the mistakes and rodgers does not throw INTs. That right there makes a great case for how amazing his carreer has been.

Lippo wrote: I grew up in the 80's before QB Rating, and loved the Lynn Dickeys, Dan Fouts and Dan Marinos.

Did they not keep track of passing attempts?

Lippo wrote:

A Diddy2231 wrote:Lippo..you don't even believe what your saying! On top of the difference in passing attempts, should we bring up the fact Brees plays in perfect weather conditions more often that not? Oh and Rodgers has 5 rushing touchdowns in the past two years, to Brees having 2

I guess I'm just old school. I see YDs and TD's as the measuring stick. Its like scoring titles in the NBA, they don't take into account PER , TS%. I grew up in the 80's before QB Rating, and loved the Lynn Dickeys, Dan Fouts and Dan Marinos.

I ask you this
If a RB A ran for 2123yd/23td and 2040yd/21td in 2 years, at 4.9 avg had 8 fumbles and 30 catches on a 20-12, would his season be better than
RB B that had 1800/17 and 1900/17 at 5.6 avg , 80 catches and 4 fumbles on a 24-8 team
I say RB A, even though if there was a RB Rating, back 2 would probably have a better rating.

2082 yards, 22 TDs, 4.9 YPC, 4 fumbles, 15 receptions

vs.

1850 yards, 17 TDs, 5.6 YPC, 2 fumbles, and 40 catches

I'll argue that B is a more impressive stat line every time.
- I detest fumbles.
- TDs for RBs are usually about which RB gets the carry on the goal line rather than who's actually the best back.
- The extra 25 receptions probably makes up for the lost yardage based on opportunities.

Now it needs to be stated that Running Back, more than any other position, can't be accurately evaluated based on stat lines because it's so dependent on QB and Line play.

but RB A broke the yardage record!, just like Brees broke the yardage record. Maybe they should have RB and WR ratings as well.

Yes If you take in account Rodgers rushing stats it could go either way.
That why I initially said Brees is in the discussion, and it is debatable either way.
Its advanced stats vs traditional stats