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Draft Grades

Posted: Sun Apr 28, 2013 6:29 am
by wichmae
Round 1 pick 26, Datone Jones DE UCLA 6'4" 283
I love the Jones pick. Has an amazing first step and has room to put on more weight. At his pro day he was already up to 289. Killed overall top pick Eric Fisher all Senior Bowl week and is a a huge weapon for Dom. He literally can play all over the line and has even the potential to stand up and rush the passer. He is truly a 3 down player that plays the run and pass both equally. Only other pick I would have looked at around 26 would have been Alec Ogletree, John Cyprien, or Menelik Watson.
I give this pick an A

Round 2 pick 61, Eddie Lacy HB Alabama 5'11" 231
Easily a 500 foot homerun for me. He is a perfect one cut and go back with amazing vision. I love his pass protection and pass catching ability as well. Only worry I have is his turf toe which he has battled over the last year. Bringing in Eddie almost all but ensures that FB dives go away. Another true 3 down player. There isnt another player I would have considered at this position.
I give this pick an A+

Round 4 pick 109, David Bakhtiari OT Colorado 6'4" 299
Ill be honest here and say I had to do a little more research once David was picked. Theres a lot of people who were very high on him as a LT prospect. I admittedly really didnt know much about him. He's a pass protection LT with a nice mean streak. He really isnt much of a run blocker but lets be honest here. Most LT's arent run blockers. At this pick I would have probably went Barrett Jones and would have given a much higher grade here if thats the route we went.
I give this pick a B+

Round 4 pick 122, J.C. Tretter OG/C Cornell 6'4" 307
I actually know a little about Tretter. I watched some on him because he tested really well athletically and is kind of that TE/LT hybrid type of player. I think his best pro position is at center and it heps that he is incredibly smart. Has a 3.4 GPA at an Ivy league school. Athletically he should be just fine at center with being able to get to that second level during runs to block LB's. Gun to my head I probably would have taken Baccari Rambo (who I obviously rated much higher than the rest of the NFL) or Marcus Lattimore.
I give this pick a B+

Round 4 pick 125, Johnathan Franklin HB UCLA 5'10" 205
Another absolute moon shot by TT. I was astounded that Franklin was still on the board and to be honest forgot entirely about him until we took him. I assumed he was gone round 2/3. I love Lacy and think he can be a star in the NFL but I think the sky is the limit for Franklin. He has everything you want in a NFL back. The top end speed is his only downfall. He has no big injury issues and is elite in blitz pick up. The running back position from this draft went from a huge question mark to an area of strength. I think the best comparison for Franklin in the NFL right now is Matt Forte.
I give this pick an A+

Round 5 pick 159, Micah Hyde CB Iowa 6'0" 197
The only pick TT made that I really dont like. There was initial rumors that they would try him at safety which made some sense to me. However, after hearing all the presser's they think he is a corner. I dont believe he is fast enough to play on the outside or agile enough to play on the inside. He's more of a zone, read and react, straight line corner. He needs to play in space and honestly I dont think he fits well. I would have went Rambo (addressed before), Ricky Wagner, Brandon Jenkins, or Ryan Swope.
I give this pick a C and hold out hope they'll play him at safety

Round 5 pick 167, Josh Boyd NT Mississippi State 6'3" 310
Josh is a nice value pick here. He can play both Nt and DE in the 3-4 and has a non-stop motor. I commented in the day three thread that they seemed to to change the strategy from last season and went with high effort lower ceiling guys later rather than the physical skills unmotivated types from last year. Josh should be able to provide some nice depth on the D line and help eat up some space to allow the LB's to make plays in space. I think Josh also has more room to put weight/strength on. If I take Wagner at 159 like above I probably still stick with Boyd here or the other option I would have went was Swope.
I give this pick a A-

Round 6 pick 193, Nate Palmer OLB/Rush LB Illinois State 6'2" 248
I had a hard time finding out information on Nate Palmer. He wasnt really on anyone's mocks anywhere. From recent research I found he is very athletically gifted and has some really nice pass rushing moves. Besides the fact he is a Bears fan I guess I dont see much else I dont like as a 6th rounder. He has a good motor and seems to be a good teammate. Other options I wouldnt have minded was Kappy Lewis-Moore, Justin Fauria, or Kevin Reddick.
I give this pick a C+ purely because I just dont enough to have a good opinion of him.

Round 7 pick 216, Charles Johnson WR Grand Valley State 6'3" 203
A player again I was absolutely shocked to see on the board still. If Charles played in the SEC he would have went 4 rounds earlier. He runs a 4.4 40 yard dash, has good hands, catches naturally with his hands, runs good routes, and is a decent blocker on the perimeter. Johnson has the tools to be elite and an absolute steal. The knock on him as that he can get lost at times with focus and has had some off the filed troubles. Still though. You dont need to be a neurosurgeon to play wideout in the NFL. I wouldnt have drafted anyone else at this spot if I were TT.
I give this pick an A

Round 7 pick 224, Kevin Dorsey WR Maryland 6'3" 213
Kevin was a victim of terrible QB play in Maryland. I think at some point during the season they had a wideout playing QB (fifth string I think). Kevin isnt a blazer. I think he ran a 4.55 or something like that. He runs good routes and has decent hands. He does have a chance to stick and make an NFL team. Personally I would have looked at someone with some return ability to move Cobb off that duty, or I would have gone the small school route again with Aaron Mellette.
I give this pick a B

Round 7 pick 232, Sam Barrington ILB South Florida 6'2" 246
I actually seen a little of Barrington play while watching some Kayvon Webster. A cornerback who went in the third round to Denver I believe. He's a little stiff and has some trouble turing to run with TE's down the middle of the filed. He does however fill holes well and is relatively disciplined in his gap assignments. He kind of reminds me of Desmond Bishop to a degree. He's not as athletic but does have good instincts. I dont mind the flier on him though I would have definitely would have taken a developmental QB with my last pick. Probably Tyler Bray or Sean Renfree.
I give this pick a B+

Overall I love portions of this draft and am ok with other portions of it. There is only one pick I just cant get behind. I also cant fault TT for all the trading down because it seemed to work on the surface. I wish, however, we addressed the safety position with a true safety. Im hoping Hyde eventually gets there in that position. Im a big McMillon fan dont get me wrong. I just think theres room to improve there. I also wish we addressed KR/PR in the draft too. Figured I would add in the UDFA's as well since they'll be part of this class. Patrick Lewis, Lane Taylor, and Jake Stoneburner all have a chance to stick.
Overall I give this class an A- with a possibility to be an A+. TT did an excellent job this weekend, and I for one am very thankful he is our leader.

Scout.com wrote:— Lane Taylor, G, Oklahoma State: We talked to him after his pre-draft visit.
— Matt Brown, QB, Illinois State: We talked to him after his pre-draft visit.
— Ben Ericksen, S, Illinois State: Ericksen (6-1, 194) ran 4.42 with 36.5-inch vertical at pro day. He earned All-America honors with seven interceptions. He played receiver his first two seasons and averaged 27.0 yards per kickoff return as a sophomore.
— Patrick Lewis, C, Texas A&M: Had pre-draft visit with the Packers. Lewis (6-1, 311) ran 5.28 with 29-inch vertical and 25 reps at pro day. He started his first two seasons at guard before running the Aggies’ no-huddle the past two seasons as their center.
— Andy Mulumba, OLB/DE, Eastern Michigan: Mulumba (6-3, 260) pre-draft visit with the Packers. Ran 4.80 with 36-inch vertical and 23 reps at pro day. The native of Montreal, who is expected to be one of the top picks in the CFL Draft next week, had one sack and seven tackles for losses as a senior.
— Angelo Pease, RB, Kansas State: Pease (5-10, 201) ran 4.50 with 32-inch vertical and 25 reps at pro day. In two seasons, he carried 96 times for 477 yards and two touchdowns and caught seven passes for 44 yards and another score.
— Gilbert Pena, DT, Mississippi: Pena (6-3, 330) ran 5.47 with 24-inch vertical and 23 reps at pro day. Had 6.5 tackles for losses as a senior. Pena quit football for four years to help his family so is significantly older than most rookies.
— Jake Stoneburner, TE, Ohio State: Stoneburner (6-3, 252) ran 4.53 at pro day, better than at the Combine, where he ran 4.62 with a 34.5-inch vertical and 18 reps. He finished his career with 53 receptions, 714 yards and 13 touchdowns. As a senior, he played a receiver/tight end hybrid.
— Jeremy Vujnovich, OT, Louisiana College: (Tryout) Vujnovich (6-5, 290) is an intriguing target. The Division III standout ran in 4.87 with 35 reps on the bench.
— Myles White, WR, Louisiana Tech: White (6-1, 182) ran 4.42 with 37.5-inch vertical at pro day. He caught 56 passes for 718 yards and six touchdowns as a senior. He spent 2009 at Michigan State. (We’ll have more on Sunday on White.)
— Devin Willis, CB, Northern Arizona: (Tryout) A product of prep powerhouse Miami Northwestern, Willis intercepted one pass and broke up six others as a senior.

Re: Draft Grades

Posted: Sun Apr 28, 2013 1:01 pm
by jakecronus8
After seeing San Francisco's and Seattle's draft classes (when you factor in Harvin), I give them both grades of "holy f*ckin' sh*t"

Re: Draft Grades

Posted: Sun Apr 28, 2013 3:46 pm
by RiotPunch
Don't see what the big deal is with Seattle's draft class. Michael and Williams were good gets, but both have enormous question marks.

San Fran did very well, although that Reid comes with some real risk too. McDonald, Patton and Lattimore make that offense ridiculous though. Lemonier will probably shine on their defense as well.

Re: Draft Grades

Posted: Sun Apr 28, 2013 4:20 pm
by Wilford Brimley
So jealous of SF and SEA :(

Re: Draft Grades

Posted: Sun Apr 28, 2013 5:16 pm
by Balls2TheWalls
RiotPunch wrote:Don't see what the big deal is with Seattle's draft class. Michael and Williams were good gets, but both have enormous question marks.

San Fran did very well, although that Reid comes with some real risk too. McDonald, Patton and Lattimore make that offense ridiculous though. Lemonier will probably shine on their defense as well.


This. I don't get why people are gooing over Seattle's draft.

Re: Draft Grades

Posted: Sun Apr 28, 2013 6:07 pm
by jakecronus8
You have to include Harvin with their class. Still just 24 and will make more of an impact than any rookie for a team that is already a Super Bowl contender.

Re: Draft Grades

Posted: Sun Apr 28, 2013 6:24 pm
by RiotPunch
An expensive, oft-injured WR? Obviously he is huge for them when healthy, but that's a lot of money for a dude that struggles to stay on the field. Harvin, Michael and Williams are all super risky picks. If they pan out, it could go down as a good draft, but they had a ton of mediocre selections.

San Fran I understand the love.

Re: Draft Grades

Posted: Sun Apr 28, 2013 6:31 pm
by wichmae
RiotPunch wrote:An expensive, oft-injured WR? Obviously he is huge for them when healthy, but that's a lot of money for a dude that struggles to stay on the field. Harvin, Michael and Williams are all super risky picks. If they pan out, it could go down as a good draft, but they had a ton of mediocre selections.

San Fran I understand the love.

I agree RP. I dont see the Seattle infatuation. I know Jake has a man crush on Harvin so I get that, but I just as an entire piece cant rate them ahead of us. SF had a couple luxury picks and went boom/bust with Tank and Lattimore. I like Reid but think they should have went Cyprien and the onl other ones I give a good grade too is Lemonier. Patton can play but he isnt special and the late round picks arent upside players. I think they did a good job but same with GB.

Now if you want to really praise teams I think the top three drafts were Cincy, STL, and JAX. All three had amazing drafts.

Re: Draft Grades

Posted: Sun Apr 28, 2013 6:40 pm
by wichmae
ANyone with insider able to see Kiper's grade for us?

Re: Draft Grades

Posted: Sun Apr 28, 2013 6:46 pm
by Godgers
Kipper gave us the 5th best draft.

Needs: B
Value: A
Overall B+

Re: Draft Grades

Posted: Sun Apr 28, 2013 6:47 pm
by Godgers
Green Bay Packers

Top needs: S, RB, DE, OT, WR


Summary: I love what Green Bay got out of this draft, particularly at two spots -- defensive end and running back. Datone Jones is a perfect scheme-fit for the defense. He's the penetrating 3-4 defensive end who should line up to the right of B.J. Raji. The Packers improved their pass rush last year after a disastrous 2011, and Jones is going to provide yet another player who can cause some problems for opposing quarterbacks. I know some teams have health questions with Eddie Lacy, but getting the guy I had as the No. 1 RB in the draft all the way down at No. 61 is terrific value. The Packers build their offensive portfolio off Aaron Rodgers' arm, but it'd be nice to see that 43-game streak of no running backs reaching 100 yards come to an end. Remember, Rodgers also took plenty of hits over the last two years, so a little more reliability in the run game is key. Adding to that, Johnathan Franklin will produce if called upon. That position is now a strength. There isn't a lot else here that will factor into the 2013 plans. J.C. Tretter can give them reps, but won't be needed early. One sleeper here is Charles Johnson from Grand Valley State. I thought he might come off much earlier than No. 216. Green Bay did well with its early picks, and that's plenty.

Re: Draft Grades

Posted: Sun Apr 28, 2013 6:50 pm
by wichmae
Thats right about where I have them graded. About fifth best for the draft.

Re: Draft Grades

Posted: Sun Apr 28, 2013 6:59 pm
by chuckleslove
jakecronus8 wrote:You have to include Harvin with their class. Still just 24 and will make more of an impact than any rookie for a team that is already a Super Bowl contender.



You have to include him in their off season grade to include him in their draft grade is just not how draft grades work so I'm going to disagree there.

I also disagree about San Francisco and Seattle being way better than us, though I know it is a popular opinion with you and a few other posters around here.

Re: Draft Grades

Posted: Sun Apr 28, 2013 7:05 pm
by wichmae
chuckleslove wrote:
jakecronus8 wrote:You have to include Harvin with their class. Still just 24 and will make more of an impact than any rookie for a team that is already a Super Bowl contender.



You have to include him in their off season grade to include him in their draft grade is just not how draft grades work so I'm going to disagree there.

I also disagree about San Francisco and Seattle being way better than us, though I know it is a popular opinion with you and a few other posters around here.

SF did ok and I dont mind their draft but I disagree they did better than us. I have only Cincy, STL, JAX, and BAL ranked ahead of us. Baltimore with only a very slight grade above us.

Re: Draft Grades

Posted: Sun Apr 28, 2013 7:19 pm
by RiotPunch
I thought the Lions did extremely well too. They got three very good players in Ziggy, Warford and Slay.

Re: Draft Grades

Posted: Sun Apr 28, 2013 7:22 pm
by wichmae
Ziggy is boom or bust but I totallyagree on Warford and Slay (really like Slay)

Re: Draft Grades

Posted: Sun Apr 28, 2013 8:30 pm
by Reddeye
RiotPunch wrote:An expensive, oft-injured WR? Obviously he is huge for them when healthy, but that's a lot of money for a dude that struggles to stay on the field. Harvin, Michael and Williams are all super risky picks. If they pan out, it could go down as a good draft, but they had a ton of mediocre selections.

San Fran I understand the love.


Harvin only missed three games before last season. I wouldn't exactly call that oft-injured and struggles to stay on the field. Also, it appears he is past his migraine issues.

Re: Draft Grades

Posted: Sun Apr 28, 2013 9:42 pm
by RiotPunch
Sure, maybe calling him oft-injured is being a little harsh, but it's a what have you done for me lately league, and he has been off the field for awhile now. If he is truly passed his migraine issues (IDK how that could be definitively determined) then he will very likely be a star for Seattle.

Still though, Chuckles is right, Percy shouldn't factor into Seattle's draft grade, just their offseason grade. Their draft alone was subpar, at best.

And you could be right on Ansah, wich. He's a guy I adored throughout the process though, so I am biased when saying I think there is very little bust potential there. In two years or so, Suh, Fairley and Ansah will be hell and then some to deal with.

Re: Draft Grades

Posted: Sun Apr 28, 2013 10:32 pm
by chuckleslove
BTW Jake, I did see your offer to take me up on that bet, I had just gone off to do some work and didn't get back and read it until later last night.

I am okay with an injury clause, but since I'm giving you two teams I would only say the bet is off if both Kaepernick and Wilson go down vs just Rodgers for me.

Not sure if you want to do a sig bet or put some actual money on it, I'm okay with either I don't think RealGM lets us discuss the latter on the forums but I'm definitely willing to put my money where my mouth is, I think the talk of SF and SEA being much improved/better than us is such an over-exaggeration.

I think a sig bet could be fun, something like winner gets to choose the other's signature for the entire offseason, then I could make you proclaim how awesome TT really is ;)

Re: Draft Grades

Posted: Sun Apr 28, 2013 11:02 pm
by Profound23
B only because we didn't draft a safety.