Preseason Week 3: The Fail Mary Bowl

[LUKE23]

I'm puttting the over/under on the number of times Fail Mary is mentioned and/or the replay is shown at 12.

I really dislike the Seahawks. I don't want to, because I like Wilson, but Pete Carroll and the Fail Mary play alone have made it so.

Things I'm looking for tonight:

1. NO **** INJURIES!!
2. OL play against the Seahawks #1 D
3. Lacy against a physical defense
4. How we cover the read option (if they even run it, which I doubt)

I like the third preseason game, starters play quite a bit.

[PkrsBcksGphsMqt]

I also hate the Seahawks, mostly be cause I have a lot of Seahawk fans as friends and they were total **** about the game winning interception last year. Anyone going to the game? I'll be in a Box for a work event. Grendon errrrrrr Kerb will be there too. Looking forward to seeing Lacy play 3+ quarters to see if he can wear down the defense.

[humanrefutation]

Well, at least we won't have replacement refs.

[Newz]

All that matters to me is no injuries.

Just by the last game alone it is apparently Lacy should be starting and getting most of the important carries at RB... so if I were MM, he wouldn't see many touches today. No reason to put extra wear and tear on RBs.

[askdavescat]

All that matters to me is no injuries.

Just by the last game alone it is apparently Lacy should be starting and getting most of the important carries at RB... so if I were MM, he wouldn't see many touches today. No reason to put extra wear and tear on RBs.

Agreed. Let Harris get 8 - 10 carries in the first half, he needs the work. Rotate Green and Starks in the 3rd, along with maybe one or two series in the 4th ( let them fight for the last RB slot ), and then let Franklin finish it up ( they know they're not cutting him anyways ).

[PkrsBcksGphsMqt]

We need to see if Lacy's conditioning is where it needs to be for the regular season. Plus it would be valuable to know how much he can wear down an elite defense over the course of an entire game. I fully expect him to play 3 quarters if not more. Getting that much playing time in a preseason game is not going to shorten the length of his career or wear him down for the regular season. I don't understand the argument that we need to sit him because we don't want to put "extra wear and tear" on him. Seems a bit drastic to me.

Edit: He also didn't have many carries in college compared to most backs. He has plenty of tread left. Let's see what he can do for an entire game.

[Newz]

We need to see if Lacy's conditioning is where it needs to be for the regular season. Plus it would be valuable to know how much he can wear down an elite defense over the course of an entire game. I fully expect him to play 3 quarters if not more. Getting that much playing time in a preseason game is not going to shorten the length of his career or wear him down for the regular season. I don't understand the argument that we need to sit him because we don't want to put "extra wear and tear" on him. Seems a bit drastic to me.

Edit: He also didn't have many carries in college compared to most backs. He has plenty of tread left. Let's see what he can do for an entire game.

I think it makes about as much sense as wanting to see how much he can wear out a defense over the course of an entire game... when it's a preseason game where the opposing team likely won't be playing their starters beyond halftime.

Running back is a brutal position where guys typically have short careers. I absolutely think that if you have a guy that is special or even looks special at that position you don't give him heavy work (or any work at all) in the preseason.

[MickeyDavis]

When: Friday, 7 p.m.

Where: Lambeau Field.

Broadcast: Radio — AM-620. TV — Channel 58.

Injury report: Packers — WR Randall Cobb (biceps), TE Matthew Mulligan (elbow), WR Charles Johnson (knee), TE Andrew Quarless (thigh), OLB Andy Mulumba (knee), DE Datone Jones (ankle) and CB James Nixon (knee) are questionable. CB Tramon Williams (knee), OT Bryan Bulaga (knee) and WR Jordy Nelson (knee) are out; S Sean Richardson (neck), OL JC Tretter (ankle), OT Derek Sherrod (leg) and DE Jerel Worthy (knee) are on the PUP list. Seahawks — DL Jesse Williams (knee), FB Mike Robinson (sickness), WR Steven Williams (undisclosed), Bryan Walters (hamstring), Jordan Hill (arm) and CB Antoine Winfield (knee) may not play; De Chris Clemons (knee), DL Greg Scruggs (knee), CB Tharold Simon (foot) and WR Percy Harvin (hip) are on the PUP list; and LB Korey Toomer (hip) is on the non-football injury list.

FIVE THINGS TO WATCH
GETTING THEIR KICKS: There is a lot of pressure on K Mason Crosby going into the final preseason game at Lambeau Field. When he missed three of four field goal attempts in practice Wednesday, he broke a string in which he hit better than 90% of his tries. Challenger Giorgio Tavecchio continues to be consistent, and how each kicks on the home field should help decide the race.

HYDE AND SEEK: Expect rookie Micah Hyde to handle the slot position in the nickel defense to start things out. He has been an effective blitzer from the slot, and coordinator Dom Capers seems to be carving out a Charles Woodson role for him. It's likely last year's slot corner, Casey Hayward, will get about 15 snaps after returning from a hamstring injury.

MORE PLEASE: This will be RB DuJuan Harris' first live action of the summer and he's eager to get back into the swing of things. He is past his nagging knee injury and has had almost two weeks of practice, so it will be interesting to see if he can pick up where he left off. He'll get some opportunities, but expect rookie Eddie Lacy to be fed also.

RIGHT OF WAY: If he wants, RT Don Barclay can wrap up a starting job. All he has to do is continue to be physical in the run game and not have any big breakdowns in pass protection. Barclay is expected to start with Newhouse playing both right and left tackle as a backup. Barclay will be put to the test against lightning-quick Seahawks end Bruce Irvin.

HARD KNOCKS: The offense will be going up against a defense every bit as physical as San Francisco's, so this should be a good test of how tough Mike McCarthy's squad can be, especially when it comes to running the ball. The Seahawks have allowed just five rushing first downs and 2.7 yards per carry in two games. They have outscored opponents, 71-20.

[PkrsBcksGphsMqt]

We need to see if Lacy's conditioning is where it needs to be for the regular season. Plus it would be valuable to know how much he can wear down an elite defense over the course of an entire game. I fully expect him to play 3 quarters if not more. Getting that much playing time in a preseason game is not going to shorten the length of his career or wear him down for the regular season. I don't understand the argument that we need to sit him because we don't want to put "extra wear and tear" on him. Seems a bit drastic to me.

Edit: He also didn't have many carries in college compared to most backs. He has plenty of tread left. Let's see what he can do for an entire game.

I think it makes about as much sense as wanting to see how much he can wear out a defense over the course of an entire game... when it's a preseason game where the opposing team likely won't be playing their starters beyond halftime.

Running back is a brutal position where guys typically have short careers. I absolutely think that if you have a guy that is special or even looks special at that position you don't give him heavy work (or any work at all) in the preseason.

We better not play him much in week 1, so we can have him for week 2, or maybe we should just sit him until the Super Bowl. He's a rookie without very much mileage. Let's see what he can do, not to mention he probably needs to fine tune some things before the regular season, he is a rookie.

[Newz]

We need to see if Lacy's conditioning is where it needs to be for the regular season. Plus it would be valuable to know how much he can wear down an elite defense over the course of an entire game. I fully expect him to play 3 quarters if not more. Getting that much playing time in a preseason game is not going to shorten the length of his career or wear him down for the regular season. I don't understand the argument that we need to sit him because we don't want to put "extra wear and tear" on him. Seems a bit drastic to me.

Edit: He also didn't have many carries in college compared to most backs. He has plenty of tread left. Let's see what he can do for an entire game.

I think it makes about as much sense as wanting to see how much he can wear out a defense over the course of an entire game... when it's a preseason game where the opposing team likely won't be playing their starters beyond halftime.

Running back is a brutal position where guys typically have short careers. I absolutely think that if you have a guy that is special or even looks special at that position you don't give him heavy work (or any work at all) in the preseason.

We better not play him much in week 1, so we can have him for week 2, or maybe we should just sit him until the Super Bowl. He's a rookie without very much mileage. Let's see what he can do, not to mention he probably needs to fine tune some things before the regular season, he is a rookie.

Yeah, you make a ton of sense comparing games that actually matter to the preseason. I get where you are coming from now, I guess?

[MickeyDavis]

Putting last years week #2 aside, this is a good opponent to have for game 3. Should be an interesting first half.

[PkrsBcksGphsMqt]

I think it makes about as much sense as wanting to see how much he can wear out a defense over the course of an entire game... when it's a preseason game where the opposing team likely won't be playing their starters beyond halftime.

Running back is a brutal position where guys typically have short careers. I absolutely think that if you have a guy that is special or even looks special at that position you don't give him heavy work (or any work at all) in the preseason.

We better not play him much in week 1, so we can have him for week 2, or maybe we should just sit him until the Super Bowl. He's a rookie without very much mileage. Let's see what he can do, not to mention he probably needs to fine tune some things before the regular season, he is a rookie.

Yeah, you make a ton of sense comparing games that actually matter to the preseason. I get where you are coming from now, I guess?

How much wear and tear do you think Lacy will save by skipping a few quarters in the preseason? The preseason is meant to develop rookies and get them ready for the meaningful portion of the season. Whether it's making sure he's in condition, knows the plays/audibles, develop pass blocking skills, etc, it's definitely worthwhile to give Lacy significant playing time in at least one preseason game. Hell, he didn't even play in the first game. Holding him out for fear of wearing him down is foolish.

[Newz]

How much wear and tear do you think Lacy will save by skipping a few quarters in the preseason? The preseason is meant to develop rookies and get them ready for the meaningful portion of the season. Whether it's making sure he's in condition, knows the plays/audibles, develop pass blocking skills, etc, it's definitely worthwhile to give Lacy significant playing time in at least one preseason game. Hell, he didn't even play in the first game. Holding him out for fear of wearing him down is foolish.

I guess we have differing opinions because I don't think playing tonight will really help him at all. If he plays tonight or doesn't I think he'll be just as good week 1... and you avoid the unnecessary risk of injury at a position that is very injury prone, as well as avoid the wear and tear it would cause.

And yes, I do think for a running back every carry counts.

[crkone]

1-What Rodgers can do with the young WRs and see who can make something happen. I'm expecting White and Walker to battle for that 5 spot so it's up to them to perform. Also may see Johnson and Dorsey for the first time.

2-What Lacy can do against this D. I don't want him to get injured in a meaningless (from his perspective) game but the info the coaching staff can get on him will be invaluable. Let's also see what Harris brings. The SEA D has been stellar this preseason.

3-Can someone, anyone take the other safety spot. McMillian is gifted but the Doctor seems to be more steady.

4-Will we get pressure on Wilson and contain him if he pulls it down? We've got 4 sacks, 8 hits, and 25 pressures in 2 games so far. Let's continue that.

5-Kickers... ugh.

[askdavescat]

The Packers are sick of the 'softie' label, this will be an excellent opportunity to start proving the doubters wrong. It would be a wonderful thing to see a Packers run play and watch the GB offensive line drive a very good defensive line downfield, rather than routinely getting backed up 2 yards into the backfield.

[eagle13]

IMO the way the Offense personnel PT should be divided

1ST HALF
play the top guys & guys you want to see with top

#1 OL should play 1st half at most.
Rodgers should play 1st qtr
Young should play 2nd qtr
Lacy should only play with #1 OL and for 1st quarter at most
Harris should get to play with #1 OL for 2nd quarter - does he still have it?.
Finley should take only a few snaps 1st half only w both AR & Young
DJ & Bostick receiving skills should be evaluated - do either stand out?
At WR - top 4 are set & should play little - should evaluate CJ, Ross & Walker

2ND HALF
#2 OL
more Young 3rd qtr
Campbell in 3rd & 4th qtr
Harrel in 4th qtr
Green & Starks & Franklin
Quarless & Stoneburner receiving skills evaluated 3rd & 4th qtrs.
Mulligan & Taylor blocking should be evaluated 3rd & 4th qtrs.
play all WRs except top 4

[Bucksfans1and2]

How much wear and tear do you think Lacy will save by skipping a few quarters in the preseason? The preseason is meant to develop rookies and get them ready for the meaningful portion of the season. Whether it's making sure he's in condition, knows the plays/audibles, develop pass blocking skills, etc, it's definitely worthwhile to give Lacy significant playing time in at least one preseason game. Hell, he didn't even play in the first game. Holding him out for fear of wearing him down is foolish.

I guess we have differing opinions because I don't think playing tonight will really help him at all. If he plays tonight or doesn't I think he'll be just as good week 1... and you avoid the unnecessary risk of injury at a position that is very injury prone, as well as avoid the wear and tear it would cause.

And yes, I do think for a running back every carry counts.

You have to play Lacy tonight. The lack of hitting in camp pretty much demands it. The running lanes and the blitz pickup are all different when there's a guy from another team across the line from you. I'm not saying give him 20 carries, but get the blood pumping and let him get used to seeing live rounds fired.

This game is going to be the most intense preseason game in recent memory, IMO

[Bucksfans1and2]

IMO the way the Offense personnel PT should be divided

1ST HALF
play the top guys & guys you want to see with top

#1 OL should play 1st half at most.
Rodgers should play 1st qtr
Young should play 2nd qtr
Lacy should only play with #1 OL and for 1st quarter at most
Harris should get to play with #1 OL for 2nd quarter - does he still have it?.
Finley should take only a few snaps 1st half only w both AR & Young
DJ & Bostick receiving skills should be evaluated - do either stand out?
At WR - top 4 are set & should play little - should evaluate CJ, Ross & Walker

2ND HALF
#2 OL
more Young 3rd qtr
Campbell in 3rd & 4th qtr
Harrel in 4th qtr
Green & Starks & Franklin
Quarless & Stoneburner receiving skills evaluated 3rd & 4th qtrs.
Mulligan & Taylor blocking should be evaluated 3rd & 4th qtrs.
play all WRs except top 4

I think you've got to give Coleman some more reps. He's thoroughly outplayed both Young and Harrell. Though Harrell is probably closer if DJ Williams can catch the ball.

[emunney]

I'm with Newz. I don't see why we need to play Lacy at all. I wouldn't play Rodgers either, tbh. Those guys are ready to go.

[humanrefutation]

To be honest, I'd like to see Harrell, Coleman, and Young roll with the first team offense. We need to see what they'd do if faced with the same situation in the regular season.