Re-Grade the Packers 2011 Rookie Class

chuckleslove · Post #1 » by **chuckleslove** » Sun May 11, 2014 4:09 pm

#32 - Derek Sherrod
#64 - Randall Cobb
#96 - Alex Green
#131 - Davon House
#141 - D.J. Williams
#179 - Caleb Schlauderaff
#186 - D.J. Smith
#197 - Ricky Elmore
#218 - Ryan Taylor
#233 - Lawrence Guy

UDFA:
Anthony Bratton, DB, Delaware; Ray Dominguez, G, Arkansas; Chris Donaldson, DE, Oklahoma State; Sampson Genus, C, South Florida; Tori Gurley, WR, South Carolina; Jon Hoese, FB, Minnesota; M.D. Jennings, CB, Arkansas State; Eli Joseph, LB, Temple; Peanut Joseph, NT, Temple; Jamari Lattimore, OLB, Middle Tennessee State; Brandon Saine, RB, Ohio State; Shaky Smithson, WR, Utah; Kerry Taylor, WR, Arizona State

gbmb34 · Post #2 » by **gbmb34** » Sun May 11, 2014 4:19 pm

C

Cobb the only starter. I liked the Sherrod pick a lot, but injuries have killed his productivity. Taylor and House have been solid depth guys. Would probably go C- if that was an option.

Newz · Post #3 » by **Newz** » Sun May 11, 2014 4:20 pm

I think I would give this draft a C+ with the potential to go higher. I still think Sherrod has an outside chance to be a good player.

Cobb is a star and one of the best slot guys in the NFL. House is a solid depth corner who has shown flashes of potentially being more.

Ryan Taylor is a reasonable depth guy too.

WiscoKing13 · Post #4 » by **WiscoKing13** » Sun May 11, 2014 4:36 pm

I voted D, but after thinking about it I have to say it has to be incomplete. You can't judge TT on a draft with 2 out of the top 3 picks get career ending injuries.

chonestown · Post #5 » by **chonestown** » Sun May 11, 2014 4:48 pm

C-. Cobb saves an awful draft. If Lattimore emerges to supplant Jones, it could be bumped to C. Prediction is House doesn't make it through cuts in 2014. Not much depth added as well. I rock with TT on the regular, but this was not his finest hour.

Aaron It Out · Post #6 » by **Aaron It Out** » Sun May 11, 2014 5:07 pm

Damn I remember thinking Ricky Elmore was going to be insane. In his tape he looked just like Clay Matthews. Looked completely out of place in the NFL though.

Post #7 » by **paulpressey25** » Sun May 11, 2014 5:35 pm

chonestown wrote:C-. Cobb saves an awful draft. If Lattimore emerges to supplant Jones, it could be bumped to C. Prediction is House doesn't make it through cuts in 2014. Not much depth added as well. I rock with TT on the regular, but this was not his finest hour.

Agreed. As you look back, I think this draft was one that ended up hurting the team last year (i.e. other than Cobb, no one was stepping up big time into top tier starter roles). Last year was where you needed probably two more of these 2011 guys to really distinguish themselves.

ETA: This was the first draft where John Schneider had absolutely no ties to the team in any respect. For the 2010 draft, the team still had all his work/scouting from the 2009 college season.

Bernman · Post #8 » by **Bernman** » Sun May 11, 2014 5:45 pm

I'll give that one a D+. There were busts galore, and no huge, individual difference makers like A-Rodg to compensate. Only a couple 2-3 good players. If every draft were like that, we'd be the Browns.

wichmae · Post #9 » by **wichmae** » Sun May 11, 2014 6:09 pm

Cobb isnt a difference maker? I also have a hard time judging TT because guys got injured. Neither Green or Sherrod were major injury concerns when they came out. Just a tough luck draft IMO. Ill go C+ because I think Cobb is almost elite and Taylor is very serviceable (dont forget he flipped Schauderoff for a pick).

Bernman · Post #10 » by **Bernman** » Sun May 11, 2014 6:14 pm

I said huge individual difference makers, like a good qb would be, all pro, or at least a guy looking like a virtual perennial pro bowler. Cobb is a very good player, but he hasn't reached that level yet. Picking him alone doesn't practically make a draft. You were nitpicking.

chuckleslove · Post #11 » by **chuckleslove** » Sun May 11, 2014 6:23 pm

This certainly as of now seems like a fairly week draft, the only real contributor is Cobb.

giraldo5 · Post #12 » by **giraldo5** » Sun May 11, 2014 6:25 pm

Bernman wrote:I said huge individual difference makers, like a good qb would be, all pro, or at least a guy looking like a virtual perennial pro bowler. Cobb is a very good player, but he hasn't reached that level yet. Picking him alone doesn't practically make a draft. You were nitpicking.

When TT picked in the 1st round, there is only one guy in the entire draft that I would definitely take over Cobb. (R Sherman). You can argue Kaepernick but no way we take him and no way would I take him over Cobb. TT gets a solid B for me just for a huge difference maker in Cobb.

Bernman · Post #13 » by **Bernman** » Sun May 11, 2014 6:38 pm

It's just arguing semantics or being unrealistic.

At the end of the day, if every draft of ours produced Cobb, House, and Lattimore; we'd suck. Thus it's a sub-par draft. If you replace Cobb with Rodgers or Watt, then you could get away with the bunch of holes a draft like this would create, because you'd have guys getting double and triple teamed, and an asset at by far the most important position on the field. But that's not the case here.

Buckrageous · Post #14 » by **Buckrageous** » Sun May 11, 2014 6:45 pm

Im a huge Cobb fan but hes the only above average player they got in the draft. Thats pretty terrible, F.

chuckleslove · Post #15 » by **chuckleslove** » Sun May 11, 2014 7:18 pm

This gets a C only because of Cobb, injuries have certainly played a part in the lack of success from this draft class but it is pretty ugly across the board here.

WiscoKing13 · Post #16 » by **WiscoKing13** » Sun May 11, 2014 7:22 pm

Buckrageous wrote:Im a huge Cobb fan but hes the only above average player they got in the draft. Thats pretty terrible, F.

I'd agree F as far what this draft did for the pack.

C to C+ out of this draft considering what TT had control of. He can't control a Torn ACL on Green or Sherrod breaking his leg.

Post #17 » by **humanrefutation** » Sun May 11, 2014 7:24 pm

That draft gets a D from me, and that's only because of Cobb. If Sherrod can be salvaged into a solid rotation player on the OL, I'd bump it up to a C-.

PkrsBcksGphsMqt · Post #18 » by **PkrsBcksGphsMqt** » Sun May 11, 2014 8:18 pm

Solely because of Cobb, I went with a C(-), but with a chance of becoming a solid B with some "extra credit." That extra credit would be attained if Sherrod develops into a starter and House becomes more consistent. I think the talent is there for both of them, they just need to overcome some hurdles. Definitely not a good draft by TT's standards. These are the types of drafts that have really crippled Chicago and Detroit recently. It's difficult to build/maintain a conference contender when you are only getting 1-3 useful players per draft class.

bizarro · Post #19 » by **bizarro** » Sun May 11, 2014 11:00 pm

I voted a 'C'. And, I really mean a SOLID 'C'. And, let me begin with the addendum: Gents!! This is our beloved Packers. You can't grade a draft by leaving out UDFA's. It's a foolish maneuver. Three UDFA's proved great pick-ups: Dezman Mozes. Where would we have been without his one-year production? Don Barclay: Hell of a pick-up. He's been a huge cover-up for several injuries and he's extremely reliable and flexible - even if he's simply an average athlete; a slightly above average lineman; and a mauler. Sean Richardson: He's still on the roster. He's healthy. I liked what I saw from him last season. I think, if nothing else, he'll give us better depth and good ST's play. Hell, he may even play in some packages.

On to the actual draft:

It's really hard to imagine what would have happened for Sherrod had he not suffered such a gruesome injury. It's simply bad luck and truly unfortunate. Given the players surrounding him, I have to simply give this an 'INC'. Cobb is an unbelievable talent and just a borderline star. I give this pick a straight A+. I remember Green was considered a reach a the time by some pundits. And, sadly, this proved mostly true. Before his knee injury, however, he was showing some ability in our zone scheme. I give this pick a 'C+', however, because I believe it was the failure that led us to finally move away from our dominant and unsuccessful zone running scheme. Now we see our zone used in a mixture of Power. That is a great great development for GB. At the time, I thought the DJ Williams pick was a sleeper pick. However, he turned into a nothing pro. Given the fact he was taken in the range of Richard Sherman time, I give this pick an F. Along with every other time but Seattle who picked before the Hawks in round 5. You all **** up

. Additionally, I give the Schluderhaff pick a D. I wasn't enamoured with the pick to being with. However, I liked the trade to the Jets - it made sense and, hey, it gave us flexibility. BUT, when you turn around and use this flexibility to acquire the self-proclaimed best ILB in the league in Terrell Manning...that's a fat F. Who did we miss in this general vicinity: Marvin Jones, George Iloka, Justin Bethel, Greg Zurlein, and Blair Walsh. If a team's goal is to marry BPA with need...they **** this up BIG time. Ricky Elmore: Yikes. But, hey, did you see that YouTube clip?!? He can jump out of a pool standing up. Amazing. I like Ryan Taylor. He afforded us the ability to let Crabtree walk. He's a great ST's player. I give this pick a solid B. Lawrence Guy got injured...BUT...he also had a learning disability to begin with. It was a bad pick, in general. I give it a D+.

In Sum:

When you pick up a borderline All-Pro at WR; a solid back-up TE and ST'er; a serviceable OL starter and great back-up; an additional safety valve at Safety; and future draft flexibility amidst injury problems (go figure)...I give that a solid 'C'.

ugliestboy · Post #20 » by **ugliestboy** » Tue May 13, 2014 2:54 am

Dezman Mozes, Don Barclay and Sean Richardson were all UDFA the next year in the 2012 Nick Perry, Worthy, Hayward draft. That draft is going to end up looking pretty good this time next year.

Lattimore and Jennings are not enough to up the grade for this rookie class. This one is a C because of Cobb makes up for all the misses and Taylor and House are the definition of C players. I also add a side dish of INC, I can't grade Sherrod b/c his injury was of the freak and long to recover from type.

What grade do you give the 2011 Draft?