M-C-G wrote: humanrefutation wrote:
What about Mac makes you think they have been adaptable in anyway? The same guy that for two years comes out every week and says it is the player and execution, never once the scheme. Maybe we need to finally admit our scheme, which may have been dependent on an elite, maybe godly QB play to be successful is no longer the correct scheme. Maybe the scheme needs to take a real **** look at the talent we have on the field and start to find ways to put in a position to do their thing.
I know some of you older guys remember early Mac, and we had what was described for a while as a YAC system. It was designed to get guys the ball with the opportunity to get YAC. Somewhere along the way we evolved in to the exact opposite, which was a "throw them open and get dropped on the spot" system. Our scheme is exposed, and it is up to our coaches to adjust now, but I fear they are completely incapable of change, because they are incapable of admitting their is an issue other than "execution"
We're talking about two different things here. Saying that the scheme needs a refresh is one conversation, saying that they have to make their scheme simpler for Janis is a whole 'nother conversation. The reason why I don't think the scheme is why Janis is failing is because Janis seems to be the only receiver to struggle with running his damn route with precision and accuracy
, even when the offense was humming in 2014-early 2015.
You want to discuss broader scheme concepts, that's all fine with me. But I wasn't really talking about that when it came to Janis. As Kurt Warner put it last year, the Packers run some of the simplest pass concepts in the league. If Janis can't get those concepts, I don't know what makes anyone think he'll get a more complicated system.
No, I am saying that it is time to adjust our schemes to the talents and capabilities of team. Janis is a microcosm of the larger issue and every team has a Janis, they might not play WR, but it is up to the staff to figure out how to use them.
In regards to the underlined, this is just false. Every one of our damn receivers have struggled to get open running their routes, but admittedly it has gotten better this year.
Nah, it's not false. Again, there's a difference between designing an effective scheme, and actually implementing that scheme. You're arguing about better design. I'm arguing that Janis is incapable of implementing a scheme that features the simplest pass concepts in the league, and even when the offense was going well (which you didn't underline for some reason).
For example, Cobb and Jordy and Adams and Montgomery and Rodgers and Cook all manage to get significant playing time and run correct routes. Their timing might be a bit off, or they might not be getting open, or they might drop the pass, but that doesn't mean that they aren't running the correct routes.
You want to design better routes? Better schemes? Let's talk about that. But Jeff Janis isn't seeing playing time because he isn't doing what is expected, and if you can't run the right route, you're going to **** up the whole scheme no matter how good it is.