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Wide Receiver Discussion

Posted: Tue May 3, 2016 10:15 pm
by MickeyDavis
Last season we were in disarray with Jordie out, Cobb and Adams not stepping up, Montgomery getting hurt, etc... Here's Silverstein's take on how the WR battle will shape up

When the Green Bay Packers open training camp in a couple of months, Aaron Rodgers and the other quarterbacks will have a dozen or so wide receivers lining up with them.

After drafting speedy Trevor Davis in the fifth round of the NFL draft, the Packers added to a roster the includes Jordy Nelson, Randall Cobb, Davante Adams, Ty Montgomery, Jeff Janis, Jared Abbrederis, Ed Williams and Jamel Johnson. After the draft, general manager Ted Thompson added three more receivers.

"Feel really good about the wide receiver group," Packers coach Mike McCarthy said Saturday night.

How good should the Packers feel about their wideout corps?

The return of Nelson (ACL) and Montgomery (ankle surgery) to full health might make a huge difference, but it's not a sure thing they'll regain their Pro Bowl form (Nelson) and potential (Montgomery). And we can't forget that Cobb and Adams were locked down in man-to-man coverage for most of last season or that the coaches didn't feel comfortable enough to put Abbrederis and Janis on the field full time.

Teams played the Packers as if their receivers couldn't beat them deep.

Going into a new season, McCarthy said he's "not concerned about overall speed at all."

"You can just make that clear right now," he said. "It's been great that we've been able to add 4.3 (Davis) to the mix. But we've got guys who can run, that can run fast, that can go over the middle. I think getting the health of that unit back will be the biggest improvement."

Davis could make the mix interesting, but it's not as if the Packers didn't have that kind of speed on the roster already. Janis ran the 40-yard dash in 4.42 seconds and was just about equal with Davis in the 40-yard split times, three-cone drill and the 20-yard shuttle. Janis is two inches taller, 30 pounds heavier and benched 225 pounds 20 times to Davis' 11, too. But it took him two full years of training and injuries at the position to get on the field.

What impressed West Coast scout Sam Seale about Davis – besides the speed – is that he has large hands and, according to director of football operations Eliot Wolf, only had two drops last season. He also played in a high-powered Division 1 offense – unlike Janis – led by the No. 1 pick in the draft, Jared Goff.

"I'm an old Raider and I'm going to try to talk like my old boss used to, 'Speed kills,'" Seale said. "Once you have speed, that's all you need. Very big hands. He can catch the football. I think he brings an extra dimension to this team whereas last year sitting at home watching TV where everybody was daring us to go deep, I hope they do that with this kid. I'm hoping they do.

"I figure if they do that, after the first four, five games you won't see that anymore."

If Davis does pan out – and everyone knows Thompson is loathe to cut a draft choice – how do all those other receivers fit onto a 53-man roster?

Nelson and Cobb are sure things, but Adams, Abbrederis, Montgomery, Janis, Davis and developmental players Williams and Johnson are going to be battling for their lives. The Packers might keep six receivers, but if they keep seven it means going light at another position.

And Adams, Montgomery and Davis would have to join Janis as regulars on special teams.

In 2007 when the Packers went 13-3, piled up nearly 6,000 yards and made it to the NFC Championship Game, McCarthy employed a good deal of five-receiver sets, preferring a fifth wide receiver to tight ends Donald Lee and Bubba Franks. It meant he was able to go lighter at the tight end position.

Because both Cobb and Montgomery are capable of lining up in the backfield and carrying the ball, McCarthy may be able to steal a spot from the running back position, carrying just two instead of three. And instead of going with two fullbacks, he could go with just one.

How he chooses to use them all should he keep six or seven will be interesting to see.

Nelson is his big-play receiver. Cobb is good at playing off the attention Nelson receives in the secondary. Montgomery supposedly can replicate much of what Cobb can do. Adams was supposed to be a big red-zone target. Abbrederis is a slot receiver who gained Rodgers' trust late in the year. And Janis and Davis are the speed demons who would be expected to stretch the field.

Even though the Packers signed free agent tight end Jared Cook and are expecting more from tight end Richard Rodgers, this 2016 offense might wind up revolving around the receivers. It's a group from which McCarthy is going to expect a lot and it all starts with the competition in training camp.

McCarthy has said repeatedly it's a quarterback-driven game and yet last year Rodgers showed he needed better wide receiver play, better offensive line play, better tight end play and better running back play in order to perform at an elite level. He was not able to drive the show all by himself

"Having a great quarterback's a great thing to have," Thompson said. "I'm not trying to be funny. There are teams that struggle at that position. We're extraordinarily grateful and lucky to be where we are.

"Do you put any more emphasis (on helping him)? I don't know. Obviously, if you're sitting in my chair, then you probably are going to want to get another offensive lineman or two when you have a chance to during the job, which we did. You're probably going to want to get another speed receiver if you can, which we did. And you want other things, too, and you wish you could do those other things, too, but you can't do everything in a single drive."


http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packers/competition-will-be-fierce-at-packers-wr-position-b99718246z1-377978341.html

Re: Wide Receiver Discussion

Posted: Tue May 3, 2016 11:58 pm
by zmanishere11
Montgomery looked like a keeper before he got hurt last year - really hope he can stay healthy for the year.

I HAVE to believe that all of Nelson, Cobb, Montgomery, Janis (special teams), and Davis (draft status) are absolute locks to make the roster. Adams is highly unlikely to be cut, and that puts us at 6 there. Abby looks like the odd man out - but I'd have to imagine he's a guy we could trade pretty easily if one of the younger guys shows anything in camp.

Still think that MM's inability to even give Janis a chance until late last year was a big reason we couldn't stretch the field.

Let's hope we stay healthy at this position in 2016!

Re: Wide Receiver Discussion

Posted: Wed May 4, 2016 12:11 am
by BUCKnation
Yeah, unfortunately doesn't look good for Abby barring an injury to someone else or Davis is just terrible.

Re: Wide Receiver Discussion

Posted: Wed May 4, 2016 1:06 am
by PkrsBcksGphsMqt
Abbrederis played well late in the year, but if we have to cut someone, I'd default to him just because I'm still not convinced of his durability. Isn't he about one concussion away from having to retire?

Re: Wide Receiver Discussion

Posted: Wed May 4, 2016 1:48 am
by emunney
If Jordy is 100%, we don't need much else to go right for WRs. If not, we need two guys to break out or the offense is going to struggle again.

I hope we don't wait to put speed on the field this season.

Re: Wide Receiver Discussion

Posted: Wed May 4, 2016 2:44 am
by xTitan
Only 1 fullback this year, perhaps that extra spot can go to a WR.....or maybe someone gets hurt

Re: Wide Receiver Discussion

Posted: Wed May 4, 2016 2:38 pm
by Ron Swanson
They can fit Abbrederis in the roster just fine. I'm assuming Kuhn is gone and we only keep Lacy/Starks/Rip active for game days. Backman also might be on the bubble if he doesn't show something in training camp. Wouldn't be surprising if McCarthy only kept 2 TEs between Cook and RR considering how many snaps Dick-Rod took last season.

Re: Wide Receiver Discussion

Posted: Wed May 4, 2016 2:45 pm
by HKPackFan
Ron Swanson wrote:They can fit Abbrederis in the roster just fine. I'm assuming Kuhn is gone and we only keep Lacy/Starks/Rip active for game days. Backman also might be on the bubble if he doesn't show something in training camp. Wouldn't be surprising if McCarthy only kept 2 TEs between Cook and RR considering how many snaps Dick-Rod took last season.


I think they go with Crockett at the 4th spot unless Burks beats him.

But I guess it is possible to stash the 4th rb on the ps and pay him a little extra.

Re: Wide Receiver Discussion

Posted: Wed May 4, 2016 3:00 pm
by humanrefutation
I think it's possible that Adams gets cut.

Re: Wide Receiver Discussion

Posted: Wed May 4, 2016 3:20 pm
by ReasonablySober
There's no way Id be cutting solid young WR talent to keep two FBs and/or three TEs. **** that.

Re: Wide Receiver Discussion

Posted: Wed May 4, 2016 4:48 pm
by askdavescat
zmanishere11 wrote:Abby looks like the odd man out - but I'd have to imagine he's a guy we could trade pretty easily if one of the younger guys shows anything in camp.
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It would be nice if we could trade him, but I highly doubt that's the way it will play out. Even we can see the numbers game for GB's receivers, so every other GM in the league will soon be aware of it too. They'll just wait until GB has to drop one of them in the final round of cuts, and pick that guy ( probably Abby ) up then.

Re: Wide Receiver Discussion

Posted: Wed May 4, 2016 5:40 pm
by LUKE23
No chance Adams gets cut.

I think they will base it on training camp, but I agree it's likely Abby is out. I still don't see them keeping 7, but if there was one year they did it, this would be it.

I agree that Davis is a lock to make the roster, we just do not cut draft choices unless they are historically terrible.

Re: Wide Receiver Discussion

Posted: Wed May 4, 2016 6:31 pm
by BUCKnation
Yeah, keeping only Dick Rod/Cook and Rip and keeping 7 WR's is a viable option since the bottom WR's are likely to be major contributors to ST's.

Re: Wide Receiver Discussion

Posted: Wed May 4, 2016 7:52 pm
by Ayt
BUCKnation wrote:Yeah, keeping only Dick Rod/Cook and Rip and keeping 7 WR's is a viable option since the bottom WR's are likely to be major contributors to ST's.


I really can't see them going with only two TEs if they are only carrying one FB. Assuming Rip is the lone FB, I'd expect them to keep a developmental TE behind Cook and Dick Rod.

I also don't agree that the bottom WRs are likely to be major contributors on STs. Janis is the only one that would be on any type of coverage team (other than maybe Montgomery, but that isn't likely). You aren't going to see Abby or Davis on a coverage unit for example.

I think Abby is going to have a hard time making the team unless Davis is a flop.

Re: Wide Receiver Discussion

Posted: Wed May 4, 2016 9:33 pm
by raysbookclub
Would be shocking for them to keep 7 WRs. Probably will keep 6.

Who knows what injuries will come into play. Odds of making roster for opening game might go like this, as things stand now:

1a. Cobb. Big contract up in three years.
1b. Nelson. Same as Cobb.
3. Davis. 5th round rookie, maybe the fastest WR.
4. Janis. 3rd year, ST ace, size-speed.
5. Adams. 3rd year, 2nd round pick. Didn't produce last year, but maybe that was the injury?
6. Montgomery. 2nd year, 3rd round pick. Have him as #6 just because there's a chance he starts on PUP.
7. Abbrederis. Durable? Got cut last year before being brought back to PS.
8. Williams. PS last year.

Re: Wide Receiver Discussion

Posted: Thu May 5, 2016 2:01 am
by HKPackFan
Is Abby eligible for the PS again? Didn't they change the rule even if you accumulated a bunch of regular season time you can still go back to the PS?

Re: Re: Re: Wide Receiver Discussion

Posted: Sat May 7, 2016 7:25 am
by XtremeDunkz
HKPackFan wrote:Is Abby eligible for the PS again? Didn't they change the rule even if you accumulated a bunch of regular season time you can still go back to the PS?

no way he would clear waivers this time.

Re: Wide Receiver Discussion

Posted: Sat May 7, 2016 2:36 pm
by midranger
Seems easy enough, rather than keeping 3 te and 2 fb, keep 2 te and 1 fb and then find a veteran h back on the scrap heap to be the back up option at either spot.