2017 Packers Outlook

[jakecronus8]

Made this thread because I think this coming off season there will be a lot of tough decisions to be made. Obviously there is a lot of season to play out yet, but I really think they are gonna have to make some unpopular cuts to keep the defense intact.

Peppers I assume will be gone, but I wonder how much it will take to keep Perry and Jones (particularly the former) if they continue to break out.

Shields' long term prognosis could be a death blow to the secondary too. We have some good depth, but as far as just having a great cover guy goes, we have seen Randall and Rollins don't appear to be up to the task yet.

Anyone know what Bulaga and Cobb's cap holds are for next year and I suppose Jordy too. If I had to guess based on how we've drafted lately, those two-maybe three could be the most likely candidates to go.

Furthermore, I don't think we will keep Lacy barring another Raji-Perry situation where we will keep giving you one year deals if you don't get paid. If Lacy leaves, we will need to transform the running game as I think this is also Starks' last season in green and gold.

[jakecronus8]

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Guys I think will be gone next year:
Lacy (far too risky to give financial security)
Starks (done)
Cook (injury situation can really muck this up)
Bulaga (replacements potentially drafted and cap #)
Barclay (done)
Shields (retirement)
Hyde (younger players to replace him)
Peppers (retirement)
Schum (sucks)

Could be gone surprises:
Jordy (way outta left field but small possibility due to age and money)
Cobb (If Jordy likely stays could be cap casualty and we have position depth)
Adams (if he continues to be unreliable)
Tretter (could get overpaid and we have Linsley)
Taylor (if Bulaga is kept and moved to G)

[RRyder823]

Personally I want em all back, except for Barclay and Schum, but I'll give it a shot.

Lacy- Probably resigned to a modest incentive laden deal that people complain about

Cook- Gone. Either he blows up or does so little that it's not worth it.

Barclay- Easyily gone

Hyde- One of the more interesting options. Probably resigned to a modest deal that isn't alot bit people complain about seeing his name on the depth chart anyways.

Schum- (see Barclay)

Tretter- Gone. I like him but with Lynsley behind him it's all about price point

Lang- The suprise Gone. They move Bulaga down and start Spriggs at RT.

D Jones- Back on a modest one year deal similar to the one Perry is playing on

Peppers- Retirement

Perry- If he stays healthy all year we burn most of our cap space bringing him back and we all end up simply hoping and praying his injury riddled past is behind him for good

As for cuts:

Shields- Before his last concussion I felt he was going to be next year's cap casualty





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[RRyder823]

Back in business!

Guys I think will be gone next year:
Lacy (far too risky to give financial security)
Starks (done)
Cook (injury situation can really muck this up)
Bulaga (replacements potentially drafted and cap #)
Barclay (done)
Shields (retirement)
Hyde (younger players to replace him)
Peppers (retirement)
Schum (sucks)

Could be gone surprises:
Jordy (way outta left field but small possibility due to age and money)
Cobb (If Jordy likely stays could be cap casualty and we have position depth)
Adams (if he continues to be unreliable)
Tretter (could get overpaid and we have Linsley)
Taylor (if Bulaga is kept and moved to G)

Not bad, even if I think they'll go in a different direction in a few of those spots, I just disagree with your could be gone suprise. Whether Bulaga moves down or not Taylor will be on the roster next season, Tretter wouldn't be a suprise to leave in the least and there's little to no chance they cut ties with any of the top 3 WRs imo

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[jakecronus8]

Somehow I totally forgot about Lang. I assume he's gone as well.

[FAH1223]

Back in business!

Guys I think will be gone next year:
Lacy (far too risky to give financial security)
Starks (done)
Cook (injury situation can really muck this up)
Bulaga (replacements potentially drafted and cap #)
Barclay (done)
Shields (retirement)
Hyde (younger players to replace him)
Peppers (retirement)
Schum (sucks)

Could be gone surprises:
Jordy (way outta left field but small possibility due to age and money)
Cobb (If Jordy likely stays could be cap casualty and we have position depth)
Adams (if he continues to be unreliable)
Tretter (could get overpaid and we have Linsley)
Taylor (if Bulaga is kept and moved to G)

Bulaga ain't going nowhere. He's steady and a damned good tackle. You don't just cut tackles. Especially one who's settled in the RT spot for 6+ seasons.

Spriggs will be brought along slowly. Or if he impresses they move Bulaga over.

Jordy won't be cut. He's getting better each week. As long as he's producing he's staying. We kept Driver for a long time because he was productive into his mid 30s.

Shields is a mystery but the prognosis from the concussion specialist from all accounts was good.

If he stays healthy the rest of the year and performs as we have seen him do, I don't think he gets cut either. The CB depth was overblown and losing Hayward really sucks right now.

If anything I can see them moving Sam to nickle and dime to preserve him in his last year of his deal. But the Packers need some type of experience there. We're seeing how inexperienced the guys we have now are. It seems every year at some position we're having this discussion of guys youth showing with the same mistakes over and over.

[WeekapaugGroove]

If Perry keeps playing like he has the first three weeks hell get tricky to sign. He's only 26 and some team will throw huge money at him. I know the packers never use the tags but this might be a time to if they want to see him stay healthy and prove it one more time before talking long term extension after 2017.

[HKPackFan]

If Perry keeps playing like he has the first three weeks hell get tricky to sign. He's only 26 and some team will throw huge money at him. I know the packers never use the tags but this might be a time to if they want to see him stay healthy and prove it one more time before talking long term extension after 2017.

Nick Perry is looking pretty huge right now. We also might not be able to let him go with Peppers retiring or not being re-signed.

If he keeps this up he could be a premier OLB and we can't afford to lose that kind of talent. I love his Run Defense as well, he's been playing the Run D and the pass rush so well, we really need to do what we can to bring him back. I could see the franchise tag being considered if he keeps up this current pace.

[HKPackFan]

Personally I want em all back, except for Barclay and Schum, but I'll give it a shot.

Lacy- Probably resigned to a modest incentive laden deal that people complain about

Cook- Gone. Either he blows up or does so little that it's not worth it.

Barclay- Easyily gone

Hyde- One of the more interesting options. Probably resigned to a modest deal that isn't alot bit people complain about seeing his name on the depth chart anyways.

Schum- (see Barclay)

Tretter- Gone. I like him but with Lynsley behind him it's all about price point

Lang- The suprise Gone. They move Bulaga down and start Spriggs at RT.

D Jones- Back on a modest one year deal similar to the one Perry is playing on

Peppers- Retirement

Perry- If he stays healthy all year we burn most of our cap space bringing him back and we all end up simply hoping and praying his injury riddled past is behind him for good

As for cuts:

Shields- Before his last concussion I felt he was going to be next year's cap casualty





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I'm pretty close to this.

For me on this list Perry is becoming the most important, then ONE of Tretter or Lang.

I agree Lacy could come back on a 2 year modest deal. We could starks him every year give him one or two year deals. Can't invest too much into him.

Starks, Peppers, Barclay, Schum should be gone.

I think it's too early to say with Cook, but it's a strong chance he's a 1 year rental (like you said if he has a monster year he's too expensive, if he doesn't do much more than Dick, then he's not worth it).

D. Jones it's too early to say, still showing flashes, still getting hurt, and not always available. Maybe we treat him like Starks or if there is a money pinch to keep Perry Jones doesn't get re-signed.

Micah Hyde is an enigma. The defense staff love his jack of all trades talents, but #1) Jeez he looks bad in man coverage. #2) There is a lot of talented raw youth on the team with better speed, and better hitters. I just don't know how the rookies back there can handle Hyde's responsibilities. That's really the biggest question. Also I think Hyde's use on special teams is less important, Trevor and Ty have more speed and I think are more dynamic (although Hyde was very productive). I think he can be had for a modest deal, but I would not shed tears if he left, maybe bring him back for a year on a cheaper deal considering we can't have so much youth in the secondary. My real hope is someone like Brice or Evans improves and can be an upgrade over Hyde. I think they have a higher ceiling and Hyde is not going to get much better and his game has definite weaknesses.

[RRyder823]

Personally I want em all back, except for Barclay and Schum, but I'll give it a shot.

Lacy- Probably resigned to a modest incentive laden deal that people complain about

Cook- Gone. Either he blows up or does so little that it's not worth it.

Barclay- Easyily gone

Hyde- One of the more interesting options. Probably resigned to a modest deal that isn't alot bit people complain about seeing his name on the depth chart anyways.

Schum- (see Barclay)

Tretter- Gone. I like him but with Lynsley behind him it's all about price point

Lang- The suprise Gone. They move Bulaga down and start Spriggs at RT.

D Jones- Back on a modest one year deal similar to the one Perry is playing on

Peppers- Retirement

Perry- If he stays healthy all year we burn most of our cap space bringing him back and we all end up simply hoping and praying his injury riddled past is behind him for good

As for cuts:

Shields- Before his last concussion I felt he was going to be next year's cap casualty





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I'm pretty close to this.

For me on this list Perry is becoming the most important, then ONE of Tretter or Lang.

I agree Lacy could come back on a 2 year modest deal. We could starks him every year give him one or two year deals. Can't invest too much into him.

Starks, Peppers, Barclay, Schum should be gone.

I think it's too early to say with Cook, but it's a strong chance he's a 1 year rental (like you said if he has a monster year he's too expensive, if he doesn't do much more than Dick, then he's not worth it).

D. Jones it's too early to say, still showing flashes, still getting hurt, and not always available. Maybe we treat him like Starks or if there is a money pinch to keep Perry Jones doesn't get re-signed.

Micah Hyde is an enigma. The defense staff love his jack of all trades talents, but #1) Jeez he looks bad in man coverage. #2) There is a lot of talented raw youth on the team with better speed, and better hitters. I just don't know how the rookies back there can handle Hyde's responsibilities. That's really the biggest question. Also I think Hyde's use on special teams is less important, Trevor and Ty have more speed and I think are more dynamic (although Hyde was very productive). I think he can be had for a modest deal, but I would not shed tears if he left, maybe bring him back for a year on a cheaper deal considering we can't have so much youth in the secondary. My real hope is someone like Brice or Evans improves and can be an upgrade over Hyde. I think they have a higher ceiling and Hyde is not going to get much better and his game has definite weaknesses.

Yeah we are pretty close. It's really the Olineman that we differ and can see a scenerio where we bring back Lang, as I think Tretter is the clear walk here, but "if" they feel good about Spriggs ability at RT AND Bulaga and his ability to slide down then it looks like one the best spots to save the cap space needed to resign Perry who if he stays healthy is going to command ALOT and I'd like Jones back as well for the rotation at OLB.

Then again I should just enjoy reading posts of people praising Perry for being a beast when I've defended him on a couple different boards when people would call him a scrub or trash. The man just could never stay healthy. Hell it's STILL a concern.

But yeah Hyde is enigma. Reason why I think he'll be back is because I don't think he'll be in high demand and like you said the coaches definitely love him as a Swiss army knife. Admittedly, while I think it'd be nice to have an upgrade, if Hyde is your #4 CB and #3 Saftey few teams in the league have a player as good as him manning those spots and it does save a roster spot

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[HKPackFan]

Personally I want em all back, except for Barclay and Schum, but I'll give it a shot.

Lacy- Probably resigned to a modest incentive laden deal that people complain about

Cook- Gone. Either he blows up or does so little that it's not worth it.

Barclay- Easyily gone

Hyde- One of the more interesting options. Probably resigned to a modest deal that isn't alot bit people complain about seeing his name on the depth chart anyways.

Schum- (see Barclay)

Tretter- Gone. I like him but with Lynsley behind him it's all about price point

Lang- The suprise Gone. They move Bulaga down and start Spriggs at RT.

D Jones- Back on a modest one year deal similar to the one Perry is playing on

Peppers- Retirement

Perry- If he stays healthy all year we burn most of our cap space bringing him back and we all end up simply hoping and praying his injury riddled past is behind him for good

As for cuts:

Shields- Before his last concussion I felt he was going to be next year's cap casualty





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I'm pretty close to this.

For me on this list Perry is becoming the most important, then ONE of Tretter or Lang.

I agree Lacy could come back on a 2 year modest deal. We could starks him every year give him one or two year deals. Can't invest too much into him.

Starks, Peppers, Barclay, Schum should be gone.

I think it's too early to say with Cook, but it's a strong chance he's a 1 year rental (like you said if he has a monster year he's too expensive, if he doesn't do much more than Dick, then he's not worth it).

D. Jones it's too early to say, still showing flashes, still getting hurt, and not always available. Maybe we treat him like Starks or if there is a money pinch to keep Perry Jones doesn't get re-signed.

Micah Hyde is an enigma. The defense staff love his jack of all trades talents, but #1) Jeez he looks bad in man coverage. #2) There is a lot of talented raw youth on the team with better speed, and better hitters. I just don't know how the rookies back there can handle Hyde's responsibilities. That's really the biggest question. Also I think Hyde's use on special teams is less important, Trevor and Ty have more speed and I think are more dynamic (although Hyde was very productive). I think he can be had for a modest deal, but I would not shed tears if he left, maybe bring him back for a year on a cheaper deal considering we can't have so much youth in the secondary. My real hope is someone like Brice or Evans improves and can be an upgrade over Hyde. I think they have a higher ceiling and Hyde is not going to get much better and his game has definite weaknesses.

Yeah we are pretty close. It's really the Olineman that we differ and can see a scenerio where we bring back Lang, as I think Tretter is the clear walk here, but "if" they feel good about Spriggs ability at RT AND Bulaga and his ability to slide down then it looks like one the best spots to save the cap space needed to resign Perry who if he stays healthy is going to command ALOT and I'd like Jones back as well for the rotation at OLB.

Then again I should just enjoy reading posts of people praising Perry for being a beast when I've defended him on a couple different boards when people would call him a scrub or trash. The man just could never stay healthy. Hell it's STILL a concern.

But yeah Hyde is enigma. Reason why I think he'll be back is because I don't think he'll be in high demand and like you said the coaches definitely love him as a Swiss army knife. Admittedly, while I think it'd be nice to have an upgrade, if Hyde is your #4 CB and #3 Saftey few teams in the league have a player as good as him manning those spots and it does save a roster spot

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Perry has always shown flashes, but the ROI on him has been terrible for so long. He'd finally get into a game, have 2 great pressures or a sack and then tear something and be out for another 2 months.

It has been frustrating as hell getting basically ZERO return on that 1st round investment for several years. I thought he got overpaid based on his 4 years of history but figured it was a one year deal so no worries. It kinda sucks while we had him cheap he didn't do much, but now that it's time to get paid he's killin it. But better late than never, he's so damn strong, his run D is amazing and he's been relentless for 3 weeks straight (not including what he showed late last season).

I just feel you can't let go of that much talent, he's turning into a difference maker on D and it's so difficult to find. The scary part is he's going to be a large investment so you have to hope and pray he's had his full of bad luck with injuries and it's all behind him.

[WeekapaugGroove]

If Perry keeps playing like he has the first three weeks hell get tricky to sign. He's only 26 and some team will throw huge money at him. I know the packers never use the tags but this might be a time to if they want to see him stay healthy and prove it one more time before talking long term extension after 2017.

Nick Perry is looking pretty huge right now. We also might not be able to let him go with Peppers retiring or not being re-signed.

If he keeps this up he could be a premier OLB and we can't afford to lose that kind of talent. I love his Run Defense as well, he's been playing the Run D and the pass rush so well, we really need to do what we can to bring him back. I could see the franchise tag being considered if he keeps up this current pace.

If Perry keeps it up they can't let him leave even if means letting a couple other free agents go. Its a premium position and the packers do have peppers contract coming off the books so i could see them paying nick.

The thing with perry is i think hes always been good against the run; hes a strong dude who sets a strong edge. Injuries have been the killer with him. Hope it was just bad injury luck and he gets a few full seasons in because the talent has aways been apparent.

[Ron Swanson]

This is why you cut the dead weight and get guys locked up on extensions early. I fully expect Perry to be re-signed and Datone might get a decent extension as well. It's amazing how people keep trying to criticize and doubt TT when it comes to roster decisions.

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He's gonna be so expensive.

[El Duderino]

Perry always had the talent, he just couldn't ever stay healthy.

Not only has he been a beast as a pass rusher, he's strong and great at holding the edge in the running game.

Both Ted and Perry rolled the dice on just a one year deal. If he can remain healthy all year, Perry will be able to command a big contract. He's been the best player on the defense this year.

[HKPackFan]

Perry always had the talent, he just couldn't ever stay healthy.

Not only has he been a beast as a pass rusher, he's strong and great at holding the edge in the running game.

Both Ted and Perry rolled the dice on just a one year deal. If he can remain healthy all year, Perry will be able to command a big contract. He's been the best player on the defense this year.

He's gonna want crazy money if he keeps up this pace. I'm all for trying to get him now.

[Ron Swanson]

Pass-rushing OLB's are a premium and Perry should be one of the few guys you need to be willing to break the bank in order to keep. Clay's cap hit jumps up to $15 mil next season and we can cut him with only $4 mil in dead money. Not saying I'd for sure do it, but if he wouldn't restructure and it came down to him vs. Perry....