Colts Postgame: How's the draft looking like?

[FAH1223]

At 4-4... its probably best to tank. We can't win home games, our WRs can't get open, our QB is inconsistent, our defense is typical choke artists under Dom, and MM has to go.

Titans next week, no desire to watch.

[rilamann]

Like I said in the post game thread last week,this is not a good football team.

And it won't be a good football team until McCarthy is gone.

[FAH1223]

Like I said in the post game thread last week,this is not a good football team.

And it won't be a good football team until McCarthy is gone.

Patriots game in 2014 was peak MM era aside from the SB

[Rob Diaz]

Have any 2 coaches benefited more from 1 playoff run than McCarthy and Dom Capers?

[rilamann]

I'm trying to decide what was more embarrassing.Being down 31-13 at home to a bad Colts team.

Or getting back in the game and having a bad Colts just shred the clock on us like that to end the game.

[jakecronus8]

Tank talk is ludicrous.

[FAH1223]

Tank talk is ludicrous.

the product on the field is terrible

tanking to get a new regime and blue chip prospects is what should be prioritized

[raysbookclub]

Every team has problems, some more than others and everyone at different times in the season. Packers aren't a very good team now. Doesn't mean though that they won't be a very good team in a month.

Right now, their defense is the opposite of clutch. The ST might have lost them the game today. And offensively they're still a mystery. Are they the offense that can score so easily like they did for their final 2 TDs today? Are they the offense that struggled to score against a mediocre Colts team, at home?

Offensively, it seems like the basic prob is their receivers. They can't beat man coverage, despite the Packers investing top picks (87, 18, 17 are all 2nd rounders, 88 was a 3rd rounder, 82 was a 3rd rounder).

[trwi7]

8-10 in our last 18 regular season games.

[bizarro]

Every team has problems, some more than others and everyone at different times in the season. Packers aren't a very good team now. Doesn't mean though that they won't be a very good team in a month.

Right now, their defense is the opposite of clutch. The ST might have lost them the game today. And offensively they're still a mystery. Are they the offense that can score so easily like they did for their final 2 TDs today? Are they the offense that struggled to score against a mediocre Colts team, at home?

Offensively, it seems like the basic prob is their receivers. They can't beat man coverage, despite the Packers investing top picks (87, 18, 17 are all 2nd rounders, 88 was a 3rd rounder, 82 was a 3rd rounder).

BUT, you can't overlook the many many voices from outside the organization (many of whom are former players) that point to the antiquated offense. MM plays a philosophy that his WR's should be able to beat their opponent 1 v 1 and he has the qb to get it there. The problem here is nearly each and everybody NFL team knows this is what we do. We don't run any deception or pick plays. We straight up line up and challenge the opponent to stop our routes. The problem here, as we see week in and week out, is nobody is open. LaSt week, with a severely injured squad, we actually catered to basic tenets of the WC offense: we got rid of the bAll quickly and ran shorter routes. Rocket science. Then, we start out this week w the same predictable tired bs and suffer for it. Couple this with A Rod playing hero ball and wildly inconsistent, a severely crippled defense (particularly in the secondary), a FO who failed to provide adequate depth in the backfield...and you have your 2016 Packers. And, I don't think enough emphasis can be placed on the stubborn philosophies of both TT and MM. It's fine to have an identity and a path to getting to this point. BUT, when you are incapable of honest self-reflection and a deviation from the course when it is merited you are approaching what we call: fundamentalism. I don't think it's remiss to label both these men fundamentalists. And, they are on the hot seat as far as I'm concerned. To me, this current season merely feels like a lived expression of what I've been feeling for years with these two. One heartbreaking loss after another. That is a pattern. I'm tired of this pattern.

[thomchatt3rton]

How, after building offensive momentum for the last couple of games, do you come out and lay an egg of this size at home against an un-challenging opponent?

This loss was all about lack of effort, lack of focus, lack of patience, lack of concentration etc etc.

[GBPackers47]

Every team has problems, some more than others and everyone at different times in the season. Packers aren't a very good team now. Doesn't mean though that they won't be a very good team in a month.

Right now, their defense is the opposite of clutch. The ST might have lost them the game today. And offensively they're still a mystery. Are they the offense that can score so easily like they did for their final 2 TDs today? Are they the offense that struggled to score against a mediocre Colts team, at home?

Offensively, it seems like the basic prob is their receivers. They can't beat man coverage, despite the Packers investing top picks (87, 18, 17 are all 2nd rounders, 88 was a 3rd rounder, 82 was a 3rd rounder).

BUT, you can't overlook the many many voices from outside the organization (many of whom are former players) that point to the antiquated offense. MM plays a philosophy that his WR's should be able to beat their opponent 1 v 1 and he has the qb to get it there. The problem here is nearly each and everybody NFL team knows this is what we do. We don't run any deception or pick plays. We straight up line up and challenge the opponent to stop our routes. The problem here, as we see week in and week out, is nobody is open. LaSt week, with a severely injured squad, we actually catered to basic tenets of the WC offense: we got rid of the bAll quickly and ran shorter routes. Rocket science. Then, we start out this week w the same predictable tired bs and suffer for it. Couple this with A Rod playing hero ball and wildly inconsistent, a severely crippled defense (particularly in the secondary), a FO who failed to provide adequate depth in the backfield...and you have your 2016 Packers. And, I don't think enough emphasis can be placed on the stubborn philosophies of both TT and MM. It's fine to have an identity and a path to getting to this point. BUT, when you are incapable of honest self-reflection and a deviation from the course when it is merited you are approaching what we call: fundamentalism. I don't think it's remiss to label both these men fundamentalists. And, they are on the hot seat as far as I'm concerned. To me, this current season merely feels like a lived expression of what I've been feeling for years with these two. One heartbreaking loss after another. That is a pattern. I'm tired of this pattern.

This says it all. Anyone who thinks these aren't legitimate problems needs a realty check.

[Iheartfootball]

Was at the game. These guys suck.


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[jlyons043]

This game was everything we've all hated about the Packers for the past 5 years.

**** kick off coverage
Terrible Secondary play
No pass rush
Awful Offense - GIVE MONTY THE BALL! WTF!
And of course the trademark choke by the defense when we ABSOLUTELY NEED them to get a stop.

[El Duderino]

I never thought i'd say this about a Packers team, but i'd feel fine with them missing the playoffs. Stale is what they feel like.

This team needs a house cleaning. The coaching staff for sure and while i'm not calling for Ted to be canned, i wouldn't lose sleep if he retired or was asked to do so.

If Ted stays, he's so conservative that i can't see him making a coaching change unless the playoffs are missed. Some say 9-7 finish where we sneaked into the playoffs and got bounced right away would likely lead to just more of the same next year.

Then again, i wouldn't be shocked either if the playoffs are missed and Ted doesn't make any significant changes.

[El Duderino]

This game was everything we've all hated about the Packers for the past 5 years.

**** kick off coverage
Terrible Secondary play
No pass rush
Awful Offense - GIVE MONTY THE BALL! WTF!
And of course the trademark choke by the defense when we ABSOLUTELY NEED them to get a stop.

I was watching the game with a friend and we both wanted them to onside kick it because neither of us had any confidence that the defense would get off the field. Given the time left and two timeouts, i get that the book says kick it deep, but expecting this defense to get that crucial stop isn't in the book. It's wishful thinking.

That blown sack by Haha is a microcosm of years of Packers defense needing a late stop. Swing and a miss.

[Profound23]

Bigger question should be does Eliot Wolf prefer Josh McDaniels, Kyle Shanahan, or Sean McDermott?

Just please no Darrell Bevell.

[ibanezjp]

Very interesting Rodgers in his press conference confirming what Simms was saying during the game that the energy and focus wasn't there coming out the gate. Rodgers also said the team has to be mentally tougher and be able to bounce back from the opening kick return. He also was pissed about Cobb not being used early in the game. He sounded like a guy very unsure this team can do anything this year. I know we've all been saying this is most likely a one and done team but to hear the QB vocalizing his lack confidence in his team and coach is pretty disheartening to hear. Can't believe we are 3rd in the Division. Our division is still very wide open but not sure this team can overcome the injuries and everything else to go on some kind of run. 2009 started 4-4 and somehow ended 11-5. Feels like 9-7 will be a struggle. What a weird season this year and last year has been. 2014 Seattle collapse feels like it will haunt us a long time.

[Mags FTW]

So when we have Lacy, McCarthy is committed to establishing a run game. Yet, when Monty is averaging 7.6 ypc, we only give it to him 7 times...

We aren't firing McCarthy mid season, and we aren't benching Rodgers. So let's talk about things that are actually feasible and pretend we are TT for a second. Here's what we do:

1) Tell McCarthy he needs to fire Zook immediately. This serves two purposes. First, it's deserved. Heading into today we had the 4th worst opponent kickoff return average.

www.espn.com/nfl/statistics/team/_/stat/returning/sort/yardsPerKickReturn/position/defense

After today we might be dead last. Second, it shows the current level of play will not be tolerated.

2) Get McCarthy and Rodgers in a room and tell them to "fix it". They need to be adults, work together, and fix this offense. Aaron needs to stop trying to hit a home run every time and take what's there. McCarthy needs to come up with better game plans than "go out there and beat your man". This means rub routes, bunch formations to force DBs to make quick decisions on which person they need to cover, run a goddamn screen (remember those?), etc. All of us here watch a decent amount of football, and never in my life have I seen a QB have so much time to throw so many times and nobody is open.

3) Capers. He's missing his best DBs and Matthews. He gets the closest thing to a "pass". His D forced 2 turnovers. They didn't give up the return TD, so they are only really responsible for 24 points. And they had a short field for the other long return. HOWEVER, when it's apparent that your guys are struggling you need to just go for it. This is 2 weeks in a row we died a slow death on the other team's final drive. Be aggressive.

[HKPackFan]

I turned my attention to the Bucks game to improve my mood and that only made things worse.



What's frustrating is like last year, the opposing team goes to prevent defense and our offense comes to life and closes the gap in the score and then fails at the end.

BUT IT IS A MIRAGE. Playing like garbage the entire game, then getting a couple scores at the end to make it a close game, just gives the illusion that this team is ALMOST THERE. THE OFFENSE IS SO CLOSE!!!

No, it's not. It's dog ****. This offense sucks. They are a terrible passing defense (Colts), and they lined up in man coverage LIKE EVERY TEAM DOES, and they broke our offense, JUST LIKE EVERY TEAM DOES, EVEN THE WORST defenses can pull it off.

MM system is crap. In their total 60 or 70 offensive plays I think I saw like 5 or 7 plays where they actually ran picks or something to get a WR open. AND NOT UNTIL THE 4th GODDAMN QUARTER WHEN DOWN BY A **** TON OF POINTS!


The first quarter game plan was focused on Dick **** Rodgers!! This offense is a joke. It's ****.

I''m not saying tank, but I get what people mean by tanking. Not tanking for a pick, but tanking to get MM the **** out of green bay. And conservative ass TT will never let go of MM unless the team has a losing record.