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bizarro wrote:They need talent. Period. I agree Capers is not a sexy re-hire and you can definitely make an argument his soft zones etc are catastrophic. BUT, it is clear to me the real issue on the defensive side of the ball is the inability to find impact talent - be it draft; udfa; or FA. That is on TT.

jakecronus8 wrote:I'm fine with it. I think you're being disingenuous if you say the problem with the defense was scheme related. Capers lost a true #1 cover corner to a career ending injury, and so many other injuries to corners that they were using Gunter as their #1 by season's end (OT-I was actually encouraged by what I saw from him). If you lose Kentrell Brice in a playoff game and it's devastating, there's not much more you can do. I also don't believe many if any saw the regression of Rollins and Randall coming, as both had shown tons of promise throughout their rookie seasons. I also don't recall many losing sleep when they let Casey hayward walk. In fact, I remember a lot of gloating about Ted's ability to draft and develop corners. I digress.

Clay Matthews was abysmal after moving back outside. Many have said we need to give him an ultimatum to restructure his deal in order for him to return. It's been pointed out that the Packers don't have much if any leverage as given the lack of talent in the upcoming free agent pool, Matthews would likely be highly coveted if the Packers did indeed release him. I think they need to move Clay back inside. Besides him being a tremendous defensive QB there last season, he doesn't see as much contact and would likely help prevent those nagging injuries.

Peppers comes off the books this offseason. I wouldn't be opposed to bringing him back one season if he truly was able to swallow the pride and take a vet minimum deal. As an exclusive third down rusher playing 10-12 snaps a game I think he can still offer something, and provide a veteran voice in the locker room.

Nick Perry's situation is a conundrum. His injury/performance history have been spotty to say the least, but I think they have to bring him back even if it means ponying up to do so. Despite him magically having his best season miraculously in his prove it contract year, he's always been able to set the edge which is a valuable trait. You also know Thompson will not dip into free agency for a big time target so unless you plan on drafting a slew of pass rushers and banking on them, it only makes sense. Datone Jones is a guy I could see getting a similar deal to Perry last year. You've invested so much time and resources into developing a guy who admittedly has a ton of athletic ability. Unless he gets an out of left field contract, try to give him one more season to break out.

A lot of people won't agree with me, but the biggest need in my opinion defensively is a traditional nose. Clark looked solid especially toward the end of the season, but not like a first round guy. Guys like Guion are just that, guys. There are a few traditional fat boys potentially available in free agency, so if Ted is inclined to spend at all, I hope it's there. (Poe!!!!!!!!!!!!)

jlyons043 wrote:

jakecronus8 wrote:I'm fine with it. I think you're being disingenuous if you say the problem with the defense was scheme related. Capers lost a true #1 cover corner to a career ending injury, and so many other injuries to corners that they were using Gunter as their #1 by season's end (OT-I was actually encouraged by what I saw from him). If you lose Kentrell Brice in a playoff game and it's devastating, there's not much more you can do. I also don't believe many if any saw the regression of Rollins and Randall coming, as both had shown tons of promise throughout their rookie seasons. I also don't recall many losing sleep when they let Casey hayward walk. In fact, I remember a lot of gloating about Ted's ability to draft and develop corners. I digress.

Clay Matthews was abysmal after moving back outside. Many have said we need to give him an ultimatum to restructure his deal in order for him to return. It's been pointed out that the Packers don't have much if any leverage as given the lack of talent in the upcoming free agent pool, Matthews would likely be highly coveted if the Packers did indeed release him. I think they need to move Clay back inside. Besides him being a tremendous defensive QB there last season, he doesn't see as much contact and would likely help prevent those nagging injuries.

Peppers comes off the books this offseason. I wouldn't be opposed to bringing him back one season if he truly was able to swallow the pride and take a vet minimum deal. As an exclusive third down rusher playing 10-12 snaps a game I think he can still offer something, and provide a veteran voice in the locker room.

Nick Perry's situation is a conundrum. His injury/performance history have been spotty to say the least, but I think they have to bring him back even if it means ponying up to do so. Despite him magically having his best season miraculously in his prove it contract year, he's always been able to set the edge which is a valuable trait. You also know Thompson will not dip into free agency for a big time target so unless you plan on drafting a slew of pass rushers and banking on them, it only makes sense. Datone Jones is a guy I could see getting a similar deal to Perry last year. You've invested so much time and resources into developing a guy who admittedly has a ton of athletic ability. Unless he gets an out of left field contract, try to give him one more season to break out.

A lot of people won't agree with me, but the biggest need in my opinion defensively is a traditional nose. Clark looked solid especially toward the end of the season, but not like a first round guy. Guys like Guion are just that, guys. There are a few traditional fat boys potentially available in free agency, so if Ted is inclined to spend at all, I hope it's there. (Poe!!!!!!!!!!!!)

Too bad these issues have been occurring for more than just this season.

jakecronus8 wrote:

jlyons043 wrote:

jakecronus8 wrote:I'm fine with it. I think you're being disingenuous if you say the problem with the defense was scheme related. Capers lost a true #1 cover corner to a career ending injury, and so many other injuries to corners that they were using Gunter as their #1 by season's end (OT-I was actually encouraged by what I saw from him). If you lose Kentrell Brice in a playoff game and it's devastating, there's not much more you can do. I also don't believe many if any saw the regression of Rollins and Randall coming, as both had shown tons of promise throughout their rookie seasons. I also don't recall many losing sleep when they let Casey hayward walk. In fact, I remember a lot of gloating about Ted's ability to draft and develop corners. I digress.

Clay Matthews was abysmal after moving back outside. Many have said we need to give him an ultimatum to restructure his deal in order for him to return. It's been pointed out that the Packers don't have much if any leverage as given the lack of talent in the upcoming free agent pool, Matthews would likely be highly coveted if the Packers did indeed release him. I think they need to move Clay back inside. Besides him being a tremendous defensive QB there last season, he doesn't see as much contact and would likely help prevent those nagging injuries.

Peppers comes off the books this offseason. I wouldn't be opposed to bringing him back one season if he truly was able to swallow the pride and take a vet minimum deal. As an exclusive third down rusher playing 10-12 snaps a game I think he can still offer something, and provide a veteran voice in the locker room.

Nick Perry's situation is a conundrum. His injury/performance history have been spotty to say the least, but I think they have to bring him back even if it means ponying up to do so. Despite him magically having his best season miraculously in his prove it contract year, he's always been able to set the edge which is a valuable trait. You also know Thompson will not dip into free agency for a big time target so unless you plan on drafting a slew of pass rushers and banking on them, it only makes sense. Datone Jones is a guy I could see getting a similar deal to Perry last year. You've invested so much time and resources into developing a guy who admittedly has a ton of athletic ability. Unless he gets an out of left field contract, try to give him one more season to break out.

A lot of people won't agree with me, but the biggest need in my opinion defensively is a traditional nose. Clark looked solid especially toward the end of the season, but not like a first round guy. Guys like Guion are just that, guys. There are a few traditional fat boys potentially available in free agency, so if Ted is inclined to spend at all, I hope it's there. (Poe!!!!!!!!!!!!)

Too bad these issues have been occurring for more than just this season.

The years Capers has had a bevy of talent to work with the d has looked great. Tough to replace a hall of famer (Woodson) and potential hall of famer (Collins). Does the best with what he's given.