Bob McGinn retires - Comments on Rodgers 6/19

[ReasonablySober]

Damn.

McGinn, 65, has covered the Green Bay Packers for The Milwaukee Journal and Journal Sentinel since 1991, spanning the years from Ron Wolf to Ted Thompson. He came to Milwaukee after 16 years at the Green Bay Press-Gazette, including seven on the Packers beat. He hasn't missed a Packers game since taking over the beat in 1984.

In 2011, he was selected by the Pro Football Writers of America as recipient of the prestigious Dick McCann Award for long and distinguished reporting, placing him in the writers' wing of the Pro Football Hall of Fame in Canton, Ohio. In Wisconsin, he is a six-time winner of the Sportswriter of the Year award from the National Sports Media Association.

[crkone]

Dude has been spastic in his takes the last few years. I'll miss his insider stuff though.

[bdpecore]

He was by far the Packers best insider reporter. Happy retirement Bob! I'll now have to turn my attention to Rob D.

[humanrefutation]

I liked his quotes from other GMs/scouts around the league. That was always interesting.

[MickeyDavis]

As I said on the Bucks board I don't always agree with him but he's still top notch

https://www.si.com/nfl/2017/01/20/green-bay-packers-bob-mcginn

[WeekapaugGroove]

I've called him a crotchety prick but dude was a good writer and had a hell of a career.

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[crkone]

Cohen's got some good tweets about McGinn the person you should check out.

https://twitter.com/Michael_Cohen13

[Mags FTW]

I give his career 5 footballs.

[MickeyDavis]

http://mmqb.si.com/mmqb/2017/06/13/themmqb-exit-interview-bob-mcginn-green-bay-packers-milwaukee-journal-sentinel-nfl-beat-writer

Good interview with McGinn. Includes this about Rodgers:

“He was a very poor player here for his first two summers and regular-season practices. Fortunately for him, and he knows that down deep, he didn’t have to play early. His delivery was a mess, bad body language, he didn’t know how to deal with teammates. He learned so much from Brett Favre on how to in some ways be one of the guys and relate, and he became much more of a leader. He was really poor and how many great players have ever had a start like that? Not that many. A lot of scouts look at that exhibition tape those first two years and he was a little bit better the third year, but not to any degree, and then he just really developed. He lost a lot of close games in ’08, but by ’09 he was playing great and by 2010 he was maybe the best in the business. And then there have been a lot of playoff disappointments and poor performances. It’s a quarterback league and all the rules are designed for that quarterback to dominate, and he hasn’t done it in the most important times since 2010.

“Would I take Favre or Rodgers? Right now, Favre. Because he was there every single game and he inherited a team that was the armpit of the NFL. It’s one of the greatest reclamation projects in NFL history. Favre just did it all from nothingness.”

[humanrefutation]

http://mmqb.si.com/mmqb/2017/06/13/themmqb-exit-interview-bob-mcginn-green-bay-packers-milwaukee-journal-sentinel-nfl-beat-writer

Good interview with McGinn. Includes this about Rodgers:

“He was a very poor player here for his first two summers and regular-season practices. Fortunately for him, and he knows that down deep, he didn’t have to play early. His delivery was a mess, bad body language, he didn’t know how to deal with teammates. He learned so much from Brett Favre on how to in some ways be one of the guys and relate, and he became much more of a leader. He was really poor and how many great players have ever had a start like that? Not that many. A lot of scouts look at that exhibition tape those first two years and he was a little bit better the third year, but not to any degree, and then he just really developed. He lost a lot of close games in ’08, but by ’09 he was playing great and by 2010 he was maybe the best in the business. And then there have been a lot of playoff disappointments and poor performances. It’s a quarterback league and all the rules are designed for that quarterback to dominate, and he hasn’t done it in the most important times since 2010.

“Would I take Favre or Rodgers? Right now, Favre. Because he was there every single game and he inherited a team that was the armpit of the NFL. It’s one of the greatest reclamation projects in NFL history. Favre just did it all from nothingness.”

I've heard that first bit about Rodgers, but that second bit from McGinn is asinine. Favre was an important, very important part of that reclamation project in the early 90s, and you could even argue he was the most important part of that project, but he wasn't alone. Wolf, Holmgren, and White all played integral roles in that turnaround. Favre did not "do it all from nothingness." And although he was a great QB, he also was a catastrophe in a lot of big moments in his career. Rodgers may have had his playoff disappointments, but none of them were on the scale of Favre's, IMO.

[Iheartfootball]

Spoiler:

http://mmqb.si.com/mmqb/2017/06/13/themmqb-exit-interview-bob-mcginn-green-bay-packers-milwaukee-journal-sentinel-nfl-beat-writer

Good interview with McGinn. Includes this about Rodgers:

“He was a very poor player here for his first two summers and regular-season practices. Fortunately for him, and he knows that down deep, he didn’t have to play early. His delivery was a mess, bad body language, he didn’t know how to deal with teammates. He learned so much from Brett Favre on how to in some ways be one of the guys and relate, and he became much more of a leader. He was really poor and how many great players have ever had a start like that? Not that many. A lot of scouts look at that exhibition tape those first two years and he was a little bit better the third year, but not to any degree, and then he just really developed. He lost a lot of close games in ’08, but by ’09 he was playing great and by 2010 he was maybe the best in the business. And then there have been a lot of playoff disappointments and poor performances. It’s a quarterback league and all the rules are designed for that quarterback to dominate, and he hasn’t done it in the most important times since 2010.

“Would I take Favre or Rodgers? Right now, Favre. Because he was there every single game and he inherited a team that was the armpit of the NFL. It’s one of the greatest reclamation projects in NFL history. Favre just did it all from nothingness.”

I've heard that first bit about Rodgers, but that second bit from McGinn is asinine. Favre was an important, very important part of that reclamation project in the early 90s, and you could even argue he was the most important part of that project, but he wasn't alone. Wolf, Holmgren, and White all played integral roles in that turnaround. Favre did not "do it all from nothingness." And although he was a great QB, he also was a catastrophe in a lot of big moments in his career. Rodgers may have had his playoff disappointments, but none of them were on the scale of Favre's, IMO.

Yeah, Favre also had one of the best defenses in the NFL with Reggie. One could argue Favre was 1b to White's 1a. Favre also made a lot of mistakes. He was high risk, high reward. Lots of sizzle and lots of INT's. They are different QB's.

He's at least conciliatory when he says that none of Rodgers playoff disappointments were on the scale of Favre's. I don't see it as totally bashing Rodgers.

[jakecronus8]

Favre also had some brutally terrible personel on offense.

[chonestown]

Favre also had some brutally terrible personel on offense.

Pedestrian wideouts largely apart from Sharpe his first couple years. Solid-to-great offensive lines, but had markedly better tight end play and had a top-notch running game once Green arrived.

[crkone]

Favre also had some brutally terrible personel on offense.

Pedestrian wideouts largely apart from Sharpe his first couple years. Solid-to-great offensive lines, but had markedly better tight end play and had a top-notch running game once Green arrived.

Edgar Bennett had over 1000 yards from scrimmage each year from '93 to his last year in GB in '96. Levens had over 1800 yards from scrimmage in '97 and over 1600 in '99.

[emunney]

McGinn is an all time great beat reporter and his takes are SO BAD.

[emunney]

Also I get nothing out of comparing Favre and Rodgers. Both amazing, love(d) watching both. Like MJ vs. LeBron.

[Xanadu]

I give his career 5 footballs.

and 1 for what I am guessing is a On the cinema reference.