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Short week. Seattle has had only 3 home games and 6 road games. They've beaten Dallas at home and lost to the Rams and Chargers.

Pack 2.5 point dogs.

Pretty much have to win this game, otherwise I think we'd have to win out.

I'm legit shocked the pack are tied for the league lead in sacks.

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Jordy retiring

MickeyDavis wrote:Jordy retiring

WHOA, didn't really see that coming...looks like Gute made the right call on this one. Also makes you think that Oakland locker room is a giant **** show with Gruden there.

They had a pro bowl QB in his prime, ruined that
They had a DPOY OLB in his prime, ruined that
They had a pro bowl WR in his prime, ruined that (though he may have been right on this one)

This does not look like it is going to end well for him in OAK

Apparently he got hurt yesterday. I don't know what the injury is but its enough to make him retire apparently. Sucks his career couldn't end in Green Bay.

M-C-G wrote:

MickeyDavis wrote:Jordy retiring

WHOA, didn't really see that coming...looks like Gute made the right call on this one. Also makes you think that Oakland locker room is a giant **** show with Gruden there.

They had a pro bowl QB in his prime, ruined that
They had a DPOY OLB in his prime, ruined that
They had a pro bowl WR in his prime, ruined that (though he may have been right on this one)

This does not look like it is going to end well for him in OAK

I can't really decide on this one. I'm 90% on the side that Gruden is just incompetent at this point, but I also have started to wonder that he's playing the long game to be good when they arrive in Vegas and Carr wasn't that good anyway.

Kerb Hohl wrote:

M-C-G wrote:

MickeyDavis wrote:Jordy retiring

WHOA, didn't really see that coming...looks like Gute made the right call on this one. Also makes you think that Oakland locker room is a giant **** show with Gruden there.

They had a pro bowl QB in his prime, ruined that
They had a DPOY OLB in his prime, ruined that
They had a pro bowl WR in his prime, ruined that (though he may have been right on this one)

This does not look like it is going to end well for him in OAK

I can't really decide on this one. I'm 90% on the side that Gruden is just incompetent at this point, but I also have started to wonder that he's playing the long game to be good when they arrive in Vegas and Carr wasn't that good anyway.

You may be right, I think it is more likely that his time in the booth, and the legend of Gruden boosted his ego to unsustainable size. If he was ready to tear it all down to rebuild, you think he would have traded Carr before destroying his value entirely.

Jordy left the game with a quad injury but did return. I should have put this in the ATL thread I guess but I still consider him a Packer

Statistically Aaron and Jordy are the greatest QB/WR duo in history. Rodgers had a career passer rating of 123.9 when targeting nelson.

Really wish we would've kept him over Cobb as they both are essentially one year deals.

M-C-G wrote:

Kerb Hohl wrote:

M-C-G wrote:
WHOA, didn't really see that coming...looks like Gute made the right call on this one. Also makes you think that Oakland locker room is a giant **** show with Gruden there.

They had a pro bowl QB in his prime, ruined that
They had a DPOY OLB in his prime, ruined that
They had a pro bowl WR in his prime, ruined that (though he may have been right on this one)

This does not look like it is going to end well for him in OAK

I can't really decide on this one. I'm 90% on the side that Gruden is just incompetent at this point, but I also have started to wonder that he's playing the long game to be good when they arrive in Vegas and Carr wasn't that good anyway.

You may be right, I think it is more likely that his time in the booth, and the legend of Gruden boosted his ego to unsustainable size. If he was ready to tear it all down to rebuild, you think he would have traded Carr before destroying his value entirely.

I don't get the Gruden criticism. He's doing what every modern fan wants - clear cap, amass picks, tank hard. Sam Hinkie of the NFL, imo.

Rockmaninoff wrote:

M-C-G wrote:

Kerb Hohl wrote:
I can't really decide on this one. I'm 90% on the side that Gruden is just incompetent at this point, but I also have started to wonder that he's playing the long game to be good when they arrive in Vegas and Carr wasn't that good anyway.

You may be right, I think it is more likely that his time in the booth, and the legend of Gruden boosted his ego to unsustainable size. If he was ready to tear it all down to rebuild, you think he would have traded Carr before destroying his value entirely.

I don't get the Gruden criticism. He's doing what every modern fan wants - clear cap, amass picks, tank hard. Sam Hinkie of the NFL, imo.

Every time he opens his mouth, he says something dumb. I think that's where most of the criticism is coming from. I do think that they're actually setting themselves up nicely for the future, though. Three first round draft picks is a great start to any team's rebuild.

MickeyDavis wrote:Jordy retiring

Is this for sure? I don't see anything other than rumors.

Flames24Rulz wrote:

Rockmaninoff wrote:

M-C-G wrote:
You may be right, I think it is more likely that his time in the booth, and the legend of Gruden boosted his ego to unsustainable size. If he was ready to tear it all down to rebuild, you think he would have traded Carr before destroying his value entirely.

I don't get the Gruden criticism. He's doing what every modern fan wants - clear cap, amass picks, tank hard. Sam Hinkie of the NFL, imo.

Every time he opens his mouth, he says something dumb. I think that's where most of the criticism is coming from. I do think that they're actually setting themselves up nicely for the future, though. Three first round draft picks is a great start to any team's rebuild.

I guess it all depends on your expectations, if the plan is to bottom out and rebuild, then I guess he is doing a great job, but I had expected him to come in and try to get that team to the next level.

How is Seattle's O-Line - I have seen that they have been able to run the ball better, but not sure about their pass blocking. Packers need to get pressure on wilson.

Packers have one of the easiest schedules going forward... this is a Must Win Game. If they win out at home (cardinals, falcons, lions) and take two on the road (@seahawks, CHI, MINN, Jets) they have a playoff chance. Toughest game is at home vs falcons. Road games at CHI and Minny will be tough, but because it is a rivalry game packers will be in it.

9-6-1 record may not make playoffs, but it puts them in a good position.

Defense needs to continue to improve and they may actually make the playoffs.

L. I hope.

ArodpwnsFavre wrote:How is Seattle's O-Line - I have seen that they have been able to run the ball better, but not sure about their pass blocking.

Much improved. New O-line coach this year & it's paid off. The team has committed to running the ball & for the most part it's been successfull. A healthy Carson & rookie Rashaad Penny have also helped. Pass blocking overall has been okay to better than okay at times.

Reddeye wrote:

MickeyDavis wrote:Jordy retiring

Is this for sure? I don't see anything other than rumors.

Haven't seen any confirmed reports yet.

Until James Jones reports it, I don't believe it.