ATL - Pats Trade for Sanu; 49ers Acquire Sanders

Post #1 » by **MickeyDavis** » Tue Oct 15, 2019 4:15 pm

Coming up to the half way point already.

Bears/Saints and Vikings/Lions are the big games of interest.

Seahawks/Ravens and Eagles/Cowboys also interesting.

Go Saints and Lions.

Post #2 » by **ReasonablySober** » Tue Oct 15, 2019 11:47 pm

Read on Twitter

Wow.

Post #3 » by **humanrefutation** » Tue Oct 15, 2019 11:48 pm

I was wondering why they dumped Peters. There you go.

Post #4 » by **ReasonablySober** » Tue Oct 15, 2019 11:52 pm

Would you rather have two late 1sts or one high(er) 1st, say like in the top 10?

Mags FTW · Post #5 » by **Mags FTW** » Wed Oct 16, 2019 12:18 am

ReasonablySober wrote:Would you rather have two late 1sts or one high(er) 1st, say like in the top 10?

Top 10

Post #6 » by **humanrefutation** » Wed Oct 16, 2019 12:28 am

Rams are going without a first for five straight years.

MikeIsGood · Post #7 » by **MikeIsGood** » Wed Oct 16, 2019 1:06 am

humanrefutation wrote:Rams are going without a first for five straight years.

Holy ****.

But yeah, was wondering what was up with the Peters trade. Don't know why, but this wasn't even on my radar.

Post #8 » by **humanrefutation** » Wed Oct 16, 2019 2:03 am

ReasonablySober wrote:Would you rather have two late 1sts or one high(er) 1st, say like in the top 10?

Which top 10-drafting team was going to give up their pick for Ramsey?

trwi7 · Post #9 » by **trwi7** » Wed Oct 16, 2019 2:36 am

If Goff keeps playing like crap, one or both of those picks might be top 10 or close to it.

Mags FTW · Post #10 » by **Mags FTW** » Wed Oct 16, 2019 2:39 am

humanrefutation wrote:
ReasonablySober wrote:Would you rather have two late 1sts or one high(er) 1st, say like in the top 10?

Which top 10-drafting team was going to give up their pick for Ramsey?

Steelers currently sitting in the 8th spot traded theirs for Minkah.

Post #11 » by **humanrefutation** » Wed Oct 16, 2019 3:34 am

Mags FTW wrote:
humanrefutation wrote:
ReasonablySober wrote:Would you rather have two late 1sts or one high(er) 1st, say like in the top 10?

Which top 10-drafting team was going to give up their pick for Ramsey?

Steelers currently sitting in the 8th spot traded theirs for Minkah.

True, but I don't think they'll finish that high and Minkah still has two more years of team control left at a much smaller number.

ibanezjp · Post #12 » by **ibanezjp** » Wed Oct 16, 2019 4:05 am

Anybody else think that trade is kinda dumb? I mean the Rams seem done, now is not the time to push all your chips in. Also I know they give up a ton of points but doesn’t it seem like they also have too many issues on the offensive side of the ball? I’m just glad Ramsey didn’t go to the Eagles. They would’ve been scary with him.

RRyder823 · Post #13 » by **RRyder823** » Wed Oct 16, 2019 8:09 am

humanrefutation wrote:
Mags FTW wrote:
humanrefutation wrote:
Which top 10-drafting team was going to give up their pick for Ramsey?

Steelers currently sitting in the 8th spot traded theirs for Minkah.

True, but I don't think they'll finish that high and Minkah still has two more years of team control left at a much smaller number.

Much smaller cap number but also not even close to as good of a corner

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RRyder823 · Post #14 » by **RRyder823** » Wed Oct 16, 2019 8:13 am

ibanezjp wrote:Anybody else think that trade is kinda dumb? I mean the Rams seem done, now is not the time to push all your chips in. Also I know they give up a ton of points but doesn’t it seem like they also have too many issues on the offensive side of the ball? I’m just glad Ramsey didn’t go to the Eagles. They would’ve been scary with him.

It Talib didnt just hit IR I could easily see this working out. However as of right now it just seems like a strange time to push your chips to the center.

This is now the 2nd time this season we've seen a team trade away high draft picks when the timing just seems stupid to do so

I LOVE Ramsey as a player but this trade doesnt make sense. Like you said though. Least he didnt go to Philly

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Post #15 » by **MickeyDavis** » Wed Oct 16, 2019 12:42 pm

Read on Twitter

Kerb Hohl · Post #16 » by **Kerb Hohl** » Wed Oct 16, 2019 8:08 pm

I think the Rams are way too, "all-in" as some are also suggesting.

Here's my thought on it after thinking a bit, though:

They're all-in for 2019 and 2020, for better or worse.

If Goff continues to prove to be a system QB propped up by McVay, they will cut him going into the 2021 season. Yeah, they'll probably have blown some potential high picks, but I wouldn't be surprised to see them draft a guy to potentially groom going into next year if Goff continues down this path.

I could see them trading Cooks relatively soon so that he isn't the cap burden going into 2021. That's the end-date that they can hit the reset button on this thing and McVay can try again. It'll obviously take a year or two to get the talent built up again for sure.

Ron Swanson · Post #17 » by **Ron Swanson** » Wed Oct 16, 2019 9:11 pm

They just signed Goff to a $135 million contract extension. In a league where true franchise QB's are few and far between, I don't see any way the Rams are thinking along those lines. They're just operating the team building model that many around here have been envious of in recent years. i.e. value high priced commodities over cheaper, higher variance commodities (draft picks). If it works out and they win an Owl (Broncos, Seahawks) then great, it softens the eventual crash after that window closes. But it's a risky-as-hell team building philosophy.

Kerb Hohl · Post #18 » by **Kerb Hohl** » Wed Oct 16, 2019 9:17 pm

Ron Swanson wrote:They just signed Goff to a $135 million contract extension. In a league where true franchise QB's are few and far between, I don't see any way the Rams are thinking along those lines. They're just operating the team building model that many around here have been envious of in recent years. i.e. value high priced commodities over cheaper, higher variance commodities (draft picks). If it works out and they win an Owl (Broncos, Seahawks) then great, it softens the eventual crash after that window closes. But it's a risky-as-hell team building philosophy.

This isn't anything like those teams, though.

I think certain evaluators would've told you Goff wasn't worth that and they have given up way more than the Seahawks or the Broncos ever did. They have the top paid player at several positions now.

Maybe they're not thinking along those lines but they can cut Goff going into 2021 for barely more of a hit than we took with Nick Perry (maybe I'm wrong, I cannot understand NFL contracts sometimes).

Even if this isn't their plan, it will become their plan. They are likely going to suck in 2021 or 2022 and they're going to need to free up resources.

Ron Swanson · Post #19 » by **Ron Swanson** » Wed Oct 16, 2019 9:59 pm

I don't really have an opinion on Goff either way. Passing numbers in this era are noisy as **** and aren't really a great way of evaluating QB play anymore. I'm just telling you there's pretty much no way they'll cut bait on him in the next 3-4 years. The absolute soonest that makes sense would be in 2023 when they'd only incur a $5 mil dead cap hit. They're committed to him and he's the franchise guy for better or for worse.

Kerb Hohl · Post #20 » by **Kerb Hohl** » Wed Oct 16, 2019 10:08 pm

Ron Swanson wrote:I don't really have an opinion on Goff either way. Passing numbers in this era are noisy as **** and aren't really a great way of evaluating QB play anymore. I'm just telling you there's pretty much no way they'll cut bait on him in the next 3-4 years. The absolute soonest that makes sense would be in 2023 when they'd only incur a $5 mil dead cap hit. They're committed to him and he's the franchise guy for better or for worse.

Did you think there was absolutely no way the Packers would incur an $11 million hit on Nick Perry?

If one believes that Goff isn't Goff without McVay, they could try it. I guess you are right in some sense that maybe they still won't have a better option. But if they draft someone new to groom and they like that QB, it's possible that they'd be better off taking $15 min hit one year and start over instead of paying said QB ~$30 million for each of the next 4 seasons. I'm probably jumping the gun on how easy it could/should be to pull the trigger given that they'd have to have a fallback ready.