2020 Draft Thread

crkone · Post #161 » by **crkone** » Wed Mar 11, 2020 6:45 pm

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TroyD92 · Post #162 » by **TroyD92** » Wed Mar 11, 2020 9:41 pm

Feel like Cephus is going to have a good nfl career.

sdn40 · Post #163 » by **sdn40** » Fri Mar 13, 2020 4:29 am

Is Cephus Boldin or Allison ?

M-C-G · Post #164 » by **M-C-G** » Fri Mar 13, 2020 2:57 pm

sdn40 wrote:Is Cephus Boldin or Allison ?

Wow, that is a great question. I haven't had as much time to watch college football the last couple of years, but I got the sense Cephus was an NFL caliber talent. I also didn't think he was as slow as he timed.

I guess he is Allison until he proves otherwise though and I think he has a chance to be a good value. But from a draft point of view, is his stock higher than a guy like EQ St. Brown was? I don't think so.

sdn40 · Post #165 » by **sdn40** » Fri Mar 13, 2020 9:32 pm

M-C-G wrote:
sdn40 wrote:Is Cephus Boldin or Allison ?

Wow, that is a great question. I haven't had as much time to watch college football the last couple of years, but I got the sense Cephus was an NFL caliber talent. I also didn't think he was as slow as he timed.

I guess he is Allison until he proves otherwise though and I think he has a chance to be a good value. But from a draft point of view, is his stock higher than a guy like EQ St. Brown was? I don't think so.

Just threw it out there before people got too hyped. Wr's are hard to evaluate. I do know that if you look back at Packer draft picks, they go after guys with lots of catches at the college level.

Profound23 · Post #166 » by **Profound23** » Sat Mar 14, 2020 6:37 am

k'lavon chaisson looks like this year’s Marcus Davenport

M-C-G · Post #167 » by **M-C-G** » Sat Mar 14, 2020 2:20 pm

Is this guy maybe the next Deebo Samuels?

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Treebeard · Post #168 » by **Treebeard** » Tue Mar 17, 2020 1:27 am

With the Niners having #13 & #31, any virtue in using some of the extra later round picks to trade up for #31? They're in need of more picks, so they may well be looking to move one of the firsts

Yeah, yeah, I know the conventional wisdom is to trade back for more picks, but how likely are three-6th round picks and two-7th round picks to either be useful, or to make the roster? If not #31, then another 2nd or 3rd rounder?

Treebeard · Post #169 » by **Treebeard** » Tue Mar 17, 2020 11:55 pm

I realize mock drafts are out there more for entertainment than predictive analysis (especially when they change three times per week). But won't all of these QB moves and some of the other big moves mostly make the mocks-to-date completely moot? Some had 5-6 QB's going in the first round, with 4 in the top ten spots.

Post #170 » by **ReasonablySober** » Wed Mar 18, 2020 12:06 am

Treebeard wrote:I realize mock drafts are out there more for entertainment than predictive analysis (especially when they change three times per week). But won't all of these QB moves and some of the other big moves mostly make the mocks-to-date completely moot? Some had 5-6 QB's going in the first round, with 4 in the top ten spots.

I can see teams that took flyers on older QBs still going with them in the 1st to go the mentor route. Like the Colts with Rivers, Bucs with Brady. Brees in New Orleans.

Treebeard · Post #171 » by **Treebeard** » Wed Mar 18, 2020 12:08 am

ReasonablySober wrote:
Treebeard wrote:I realize mock drafts are out there more for entertainment than predictive analysis (especially when they change three times per week). But won't all of these QB moves and some of the other big moves mostly make the mocks-to-date completely moot? Some had 5-6 QB's going in the first round, with 4 in the top ten spots.

I can see teams that took flyers on older QBs still going with them in the 1st to go the mentor route. Like the Colts with Rivers, Bucs with Brady. Brees in New Orleans.

You could well be right. It should up the ante on trade speculation up into the night of the first round at any rate.

Daver · Post #172 » by **Daver** » Wed Mar 18, 2020 12:29 am

So murray n queen are sitting there at pick 23 seeing the LB on this team flat out sucks dog crap would you trade up to nab one of them or stay at 30 n grab a rookie wr that rogers wont throw to anyway

Profound23 · Post #173 » by **Profound23** » Wed Mar 18, 2020 1:24 am

Daver wrote:So murray n queen are sitting there at pick 23 seeing the LB on this team flat out sucks dog crap would you trade up to nab one of them or stay at 30 n grab a rookie wr that rogers wont throw to anyway

If both are there at 23, more than likely one falls to 30. If you only like one of them, then trade up.

However a rookie ILB might get even less burn than a rookie wr, so that's not persuading me either way.

Daver · Post #174 » by **Daver** » Wed Mar 18, 2020 1:35 am

Profound23 wrote:
Daver wrote:So murray n queen are sitting there at pick 23 seeing the LB on this team flat out sucks dog crap would you trade up to nab one of them or stay at 30 n grab a rookie wr that rogers wont throw to anyway

If both are there at 23, more than likely one falls to 30. If you only like one of them, then trade up.

However a rookie ILB might get even less burn than a rookie wr, so that's not persuading me either way.

With the talent or lack there of at ILB i have a hard time believing that a rookie LB would have a hard time gettin burn with this group we have wouldnt say much for queen or murray if they couldnt see the field

skones · Post #175 » by **skones** » Wed Mar 18, 2020 6:36 am

sdn40 wrote:
M-C-G wrote:
sdn40 wrote:Is Cephus Boldin or Allison ?

Wow, that is a great question. I haven't had as much time to watch college football the last couple of years, but I got the sense Cephus was an NFL caliber talent. I also didn't think he was as slow as he timed.

I guess he is Allison until he proves otherwise though and I think he has a chance to be a good value. But from a draft point of view, is his stock higher than a guy like EQ St. Brown was? I don't think so.

Just threw it out there before people got too hyped. Wr's are hard to evaluate. I do know that if you look back at Packer draft picks, they go after guys with lots of catches at the college level.

There's a pretty big gap between Allison and Boldin. For starters they're not even similar players. Allison did almost all of his damage in college running verticals along the sideline and he's not consistently fast enough to win those routes in the NFL. Cephus did his with a lot more variation as a route runner and is shorter and stronger to boot. He can win a bit outside, he can win in the middle, he's physical, he goes and gets the ball. I'd be shocked if Cephus didn't end up a pretty productive NFL receiver. He's pretty comfortably the best wideout prospect the Badgers have produced since Evans IMO.

M-C-G · Post #176 » by **M-C-G** » Wed Mar 18, 2020 1:11 pm

skones wrote:
sdn40 wrote:
M-C-G wrote:
Wow, that is a great question. I haven't had as much time to watch college football the last couple of years, but I got the sense Cephus was an NFL caliber talent. I also didn't think he was as slow as he timed.

I guess he is Allison until he proves otherwise though and I think he has a chance to be a good value. But from a draft point of view, is his stock higher than a guy like EQ St. Brown was? I don't think so.

Just threw it out there before people got too hyped. Wr's are hard to evaluate. I do know that if you look back at Packer draft picks, they go after guys with lots of catches at the college level.

There's a pretty big gap between Allison and Boldin. For starters they're not even similar players. Allison did almost all of his damage in college running verticals along the sideline and he's not consistently fast enough to win those routes in the NFL. Cephus did his with a lot more variation as a route runner and is shorter and stronger to boot. He can win a bit outside, he can win in the middle, he's physical, he goes and gets the ball. I'd be shocked if Cephus didn't end up a pretty productive NFL receiver. He's pretty comfortably the best wideout prospect the Badgers have produced since Evans IMO.

You are being too literal. We are using those comps because of the poor 40 times for discussion purposes. With that said, Antonio Gibson reminds me a lot of young Anquan Boldin once he has the ball in his hands. This draft has so many exciting WR of all types, could not have come at a better time.

skones · Post #177 » by **skones** » Wed Mar 18, 2020 7:18 pm

M-C-G wrote:
skones wrote:
sdn40 wrote:
Just threw it out there before people got too hyped. Wr's are hard to evaluate. I do know that if you look back at Packer draft picks, they go after guys with lots of catches at the college level.

There's a pretty big gap between Allison and Boldin. For starters they're not even similar players. Allison did almost all of his damage in college running verticals along the sideline and he's not consistently fast enough to win those routes in the NFL. Cephus did his with a lot more variation as a route runner and is shorter and stronger to boot. He can win a bit outside, he can win in the middle, he's physical, he goes and gets the ball. I'd be shocked if Cephus didn't end up a pretty productive NFL receiver. He's pretty comfortably the best wideout prospect the Badgers have produced since Evans IMO.

You are being too literal. We are using those comps because of the poor 40 times for discussion purposes. With that said, Antonio Gibson reminds me a lot of young Anquan Boldin once he has the ball in his hands. This draft has so many exciting WR of all types, could not have come at a better time.

Sure, but Boldin wasn't a deep threat like Allison was. He did a lot of his work underneath, across the middle, out of breaks. So asking the question whether Cephus is A or B doesn't make a lot of sense. Speed matters a great deal more to the guy running fly routes than the guy who gets his separation from running good routes all over. One guy needed to be fast, the other had technique.

It'd make more sense if Boldin WAS a deep threat with that poor 40 time. All I was getting at.

Ill-yasova · Post #178 » by **Ill-yasova** » Wed Mar 18, 2020 9:06 pm

What's the best website for scouting reports?

M-C-G · Post #179 » by **M-C-G** » Wed Mar 18, 2020 9:50 pm

Ill-yasova wrote:What's the best website for scouting reports?

Pro Football Focus has a fantastic draft guide, cost money but between FF content and the draft guide, seems well worth it to me.

M-C-G · Post #180 » by **M-C-G** » Wed Mar 18, 2020 9:52 pm

skones wrote:
M-C-G wrote:
skones wrote:
There's a pretty big gap between Allison and Boldin. For starters they're not even similar players. Allison did almost all of his damage in college running verticals along the sideline and he's not consistently fast enough to win those routes in the NFL. Cephus did his with a lot more variation as a route runner and is shorter and stronger to boot. He can win a bit outside, he can win in the middle, he's physical, he goes and gets the ball. I'd be shocked if Cephus didn't end up a pretty productive NFL receiver. He's pretty comfortably the best wideout prospect the Badgers have produced since Evans IMO.

You are being too literal. We are using those comps because of the poor 40 times for discussion purposes. With that said, Antonio Gibson reminds me a lot of young Anquan Boldin once he has the ball in his hands. This draft has so many exciting WR of all types, could not have come at a better time.

Sure, but Boldin wasn't a deep threat like Allison was. He did a lot of his work underneath, across the middle, out of breaks. So asking the question whether Cephus is A or B doesn't make a lot of sense. Speed matters a great deal more to the guy running fly routes than the guy who gets his separation from running good routes all over. One guy needed to be fast, the other had technique.

It'd make more sense if Boldin WAS a deep threat with that poor 40 time. All I was getting at.

Fair enough, you are just looking at it far deeper than I intended when answering. Thoughts about Antonio Gibson?